The Official "The NBA Wants the Lakers to Win" Thread and Poll - Page 3

drprestwood · 05-26-2004, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by keenejee
The fact that you're a Minnesota fan and posting this just simply doesn't look good as far as being "biased". Now I'm not saying you are, but it'd be like a UNC fan being unbiased about Duke. Would you believe it when your first saw it? I highly doubt it.

So you're saying it's impossible for me to do anything unbiased because I'm a fan of one of the teams? Like I said, it just means I'm interested in what the answer is. That doesn't mean I'm trying to skew the results.

What part of this poll is biased? Where's the methodological problem in the question? If you provide me that, maybe I can give you an answer.

benchwarmer · 05-26-2004, 06:58 PM

nothing is Bias in this poll drprestwood. He is just rambling on a bunch of nonsense.

billycola · 05-26-2004, 08:02 PM

Did you see game 2?? The refs let Minnesota hack and shove the Lakers aell night long. Shaq has guys hanging all over him constantly. The NBA doesn't care who wins but some refs are biased against LA.

Art99 · 05-26-2004, 08:04 PM

drprestwood - poll fine - ignore the trolls .

Stat for game 3 :

Shaq

7-10 shooting 17 boards 3 fouls 22 pts

Wolves centers

1-6 shooting 8 boards 16 fouls 2 pts

Very telling I think.

keenejee · 05-26-2004, 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by drprestwood
So you're saying it's impossible for me to do anything unbiased because I'm a fan of one of the teams? Like I said, it just means I'm interested in what the answer is. That doesn't mean I'm trying to skew the results.

What part of this poll is biased? Where's the methodological problem in the question? If you provide me that, maybe I can give you an answer.

No, no, no....you totally didn't read what I said clearly.

What I'm saying is, if someone knows you're a Minnesota fan and you guys are playing LA, do you really expect them to think a comment you'd make FOR your Minnesota team is unbiased?

If I posted this exact thing, knowingly that I'm a UNC fan. And I say, "The NCAA wants Duke to win Thread & Poll". Do you really think I'm being unbiased just by the looks of it?

keenejee · 05-26-2004, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by benchwarmer
nothing is Bias in this poll drprestwood. He is just rambling on a bunch of nonsense.

...and you're rambling on about something you don't know what you're talking about.

Guess we're even.

Skipaway · 05-26-2004, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by keenejee
No, no, no....you totally didn't read what I said clearly.

What I'm saying is, if someone knows you're a Minnesota fan and you guys are playing LA, do you really expect them to think a comment you'd make FOR your Minnesota team is unbiased?

If I posted this exact thing, knowingly that I'm a UNC fan. And I say, "The NCAA wants Duke to win Thread & Poll". Do you really think I'm being unbiased just by the looks of it?

Well, I'd assume everyone to be unbiased till proved wrong. I found that a good way to keep discussions productive.

Stuff like this:

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The fact that you're a Minnesota fan and posting this just simply doesn't look good as far as being "biased". Now I'm not saying you are, but it'd be like a UNC fan being unbiased about Duke. Would you believe it when your first saw it? I highly doubt it.

serves nothing other than post counts.

This:

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So you're saying Garnett did absolutely nothing in that game? Didn't deliver any kind of hit?

Say he was reacting, but that doesn't matter. He hit Peeler and that's all that matters.

Hell, if it were KG in Peelers shoes everyone knows the NBA wouldn't suspend KG for 2 games. Stars get treatment, and it looks like you need treatment if you didn't already know that.

is offering some good points.

benchwarmer · 05-26-2004, 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by keenejee
...and you're rambling on about something you don't know what you're talking about.

You need to reverse this. Then it will be correct.

drprestwood · 05-26-2004, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by keenejee
No, no, no....you totally didn't read what I said clearly.

What I'm saying is, if someone knows you're a Minnesota fan and you guys are playing LA, do you really expect them to think a comment you'd make FOR your Minnesota team is unbiased?

If I posted this exact thing, knowingly that I'm a UNC fan. And I say, "The NCAA wants Duke to win Thread & Poll". Do you really think I'm being unbiased just by the looks of it?

If the argument is made by several major sports media outlets, and the question is whether or not the NCAA wants Duke to win, then I don't think that looks biased. There's nothing loaded in that statement. If the phrase was "The NCAA cheats so Duke always wins" then it's a different story.

I still don't know why that means there's a problem with the thread.

drprestwood · 05-26-2004, 11:17 PM

I think that Shaq is the key to this series. That's clear, as Art99 points out with a statistical comparison. I also don't think it's fair to say that the referees are "biased" against O'Neal and the Lakers given the evidence presented and given that Shaq gets most of those calls.

Shaq is amazing. He knows how to use his body effectively. Still, to say that Minnesota won game 2 because the refs let Wolves players foul Shaq over and over is hardly fair. Any NBA commentator will tell you that Shaq gets away with a lot of things that could be considered charges because he's Shaq...and because it's expected that the defensive player will be the one to commit the foul. I don't think that the referees let that much go in game 2 when it comes to Shaq being fouled -- I think that Ervin Johnson for example did a very good job of staying straight up while Shaq initiated the contact. Shaq initiates contact a lot.

View Poll Results: Does the NBA Want the Lakers to Win?
Yes, and they may be affected by that desire.	14	48.28%
Yes, but they aren't affected by that desire.	7	24.14%
No, the NBA doesn't care.	8	27.59%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

05-26-2004, 08:02 PM	#43
billycola Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: CA Posts: 171	Did you see game 2?? The refs let Minnesota hack and shove the Lakers aell night long. Shaq has guys hanging all over him constantly. The NBA doesn't care who wins but some refs are biased against LA. __________________ Bill Heckel Jr. NARBL-NL President/Pittsburgh Pirates (1977-90) 1985 NARBL Champs 1979, '83-84, '90 Wild Card 1981-82, '85-87 AL East Champs CIBA Houston Astros (1970-71) 1970 CIBA Champs CDL-AL Prez/Boston Red Sox (1969-01) 1973, '84, '00 AL Pennant 1971, '73, '76, '84-89, '98-00 AL East Champs NAHHBL-NL Prez/Chicago Cubs (1980-99) 1995 NL Pennant 1994-98 NL Central Champs UBL Boston Red Sox (1934-36) 1934-35 FL East Champs 1935 FL Pennant WLB Bogota Guerrillas (2014-15)

05-26-2004, 06:58 PM	#42
benchwarmer Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 1,461	nothing is Bias in this poll drprestwood. He is just rambling on a bunch of nonsense.

05-26-2004, 08:04 PM	#44
Art99 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 242	drprestwood - poll fine - ignore the trolls . Stat for game 3 : Shaq 7-10 shooting 17 boards 3 fouls 22 pts Wolves centers 1-6 shooting 8 boards 16 fouls 2 pts Very telling I think.

05-26-2004, 11:17 PM	#50
drprestwood All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,501	I think that Shaq is the key to this series. That's clear, as Art99 points out with a statistical comparison. I also don't think it's fair to say that the referees are "biased" against O'Neal and the Lakers given the evidence presented and given that Shaq gets most of those calls. Shaq is amazing. He knows how to use his body effectively. Still, to say that Minnesota won game 2 because the refs let Wolves players foul Shaq over and over is hardly fair. Any NBA commentator will tell you that Shaq gets away with a lot of things that could be considered charges because he's Shaq...and because it's expected that the defensive player will be the one to commit the foul. I don't think that the referees let that much go in game 2 when it comes to Shaq being fouled -- I think that Ervin Johnson for example did a very good job of staying straight up while Shaq initiated the contact. Shaq initiates contact a lot.