OOTP Vs Other Management sims - Page 3

British Baseballer · 04-09-2004, 04:41 AM

Lol look what i started! i tried so hard not to by saying, lets agree to disagree as well!

i sat here last night bored silly watching the Anaheim vs Seattle game on TV, by the same token I watched the Tigers Twins game and loved it, it was a great game. The same goes for soccer, some games are good some are boring. Some are high scoring some are not. in fact that sums up most sports.

If you asked 95% of the European market what they thought of Baseball they would say they found it boring, why? because they are ignorant, just like the people who say soccer is boring yet have little or no idea about the game.

Funny really when i started this post is was not meant to be a soccer vs baseball debate. it was meant to be an OOTP VS CM, Puresim, TCM, Baseball Mogal debate.....

Crapshoot · 04-09-2004, 05:07 AM

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Originally posted by D'artagnan
How dumb are you for posting this? The post i wrote is true. soccer IS boring, and nobody I know watches the sport or even cares about it for that matter.A comment is dumb when it makes no sense. The reason soccer is not popular in this great country is because we have the greatest sports in the world here, Baseball and Football. The USA Sports fan demands excellence from sports along with excitement something Soccer does NOT bring to the table. Most of the great athletes of the world play here in this country either playing Baseball,Football,Basketball,Hockey or Golf. Soccer will never be a major sport in this country because it's extremely BORING.
Now stop embarassing yourself and drop it.

Please kid, stop embarassing yourself. To each their own- but you don't need to start talking about what you don't understand. The greatest sports in the world aside- (basketball is as popular in places like Greece genius- and hockey is a worldwide sport), learn some basic tact. Soccer (or Football as it is accurately called) is the most popular game in the world, but it does appeal to a different mentality. The typical American football fan probably doesnt care to spend the time it takes (or the attention span)- I find the Champions league far more exciting than many a baseball game, and Im the biggest Giants fan you'll find. At some point, this "we have the best" mentality has to be cast aside- its a sign of immaturity.

Crapshoot · 04-09-2004, 05:10 AM

BB, I apologize- Im an Indian who's a huge fan of baseball, football, and cricket primarily, followed closely by American football and basketball. I simply find uneducated behmoths like the D'artagan kid annoying- its one thing to say that you don't like it- its another to say that its because you have the greatest sports in the world.

British Baseballer · 04-09-2004, 05:17 AM

Thanks Aadik, personally i dont care what anybody else thinks about soccer, i like it, i watch it, i play it. I also like cricket and baseball and watch, play etc and to be fair i am not really bothered what anybody else thinks of this.

There isn't an argument in the world that will change some peoples blinkered views on a subject, in this case soccer,so i won't try each to there own i guess.....

D'artagnan · 04-09-2004, 05:26 AM

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Originally posted by Aadik
Please kid, stop embarassing yourself. To each their own- but you don't need to start talking about what you don't understand. The greatest sports in the world aside- (basketball is as popular in places like Greece genius- and hockey is a worldwide sport), learn some basic tact. Soccer (or Football as it is accurately called) is the most popular game in the world, but it does appeal to a different mentality. The typical American football fan probably doesnt care to spend the time it takes (or the attention span)- I find the Champions league far more exciting than many a baseball game, and Im the biggest Giants fan you'll find. At some point, this "we have the best" mentality has to be cast aside- its a sign of immaturity.

Truly Classic. Something I would expect out of a 21 year old.The typical American Football fan [not Soccer] generally does not like SOCCER for several reasons, one of which is that the game is BORING. It takes no time to see that .The culture of most countries around the world where soccer is popular, do not have the athletes to play sports like baseball or real Football or if they do they are here playing them already. Look, soccer is fine if you enjoy that sort of ho hum life but in the good 'ol USA it will never be a major sport. Now off to bed with you before I call your mommy.

Crapshoot · 04-09-2004, 05:37 AM

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Originally posted by D'artagnan
Truly Classic. Something I would expect out of a 21 year old.The typical American Football fan [not Soccer] generally does not like SOCCER for several reasons, one of which is that the game is BORING. It takes no time to see that .The culture of most countries around the world where soccer is popular, do not have the athletes to play sports like baseball or real Football or if they do they are here playing them already. Look, soccer is fine if you enjoy that sort of ho hum life but in the good 'ol USA it will never be a major sport. Now off to bed with you before I call your mommy.

Lets look at the discusssion so far- people started discussing the alternative text sims, with CM coming to the forefront- it is acknowledged by everyone as the pinnacle of text sims, as they currently stand. You decide that bitching about how soccer is boring (when people had expressed interest in botH) somehow makes you a more testosterone filled man- how I don't know, but I guess that's what a lack of an education gets you. At that point, I admittedly interject to suggest that you have no idea what the fvck you're talking about, and your primary response is that its boring- which is brilliant analysis.

As for the new dumbass line- that countries around the world where "football" is popular is due to the lack of atheletes- wow. I don't quite know how to respond to this stupidity. Dude- have you ever stepped out of Hicksville, USA ? Where on earth do you find a basis for this arguement ? Its funny that this debate (well, as much as your arguements consistute a debate) is happening on a baseball board- baseball is probably the least athletic of the sports, and more reliant on intelligence and actions- and I would venture you're probably more of the former, and less of the latter.

D'artagnan · 04-09-2004, 06:00 AM

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Originally posted by Aadik
Lets look at the discusssion so far- people started discussing the alternative text sims, with CM coming to the forefront- it is acknowledged by everyone as the pinnacle of text sims, as they currently stand. You decide that bitching about how soccer is boring (when people had expressed interest in botH) somehow makes you a more testosterone filled man- how I don't know, but I guess that's what a lack of an education gets you. At that point, I admittedly interject to suggest that you have no idea what the fvck you're talking about, and your primary response is that its boring- which is brilliant analysis.

As for the new dumbass line- that countries around the world where "football" is popular is due to the lack of atheletes- wow. I don't quite know how to respond to this stupidity. Dude- have you ever stepped out of Hicksville, USA ? Where on earth do you find a basis for this arguement ? Its funny that this debate (well, as much as your arguements consistute a debate) is happening on a baseball board- baseball is probably the least athletic of the sports, and more reliant on intelligence and actions- and I would venture you're probably more of the former, and less of the latter.

Oh my goodness, have you ever seen Dumb and Dumber?Those who have to resort to cursing, generally by rule are limited in their vocabulary and intelligence, so I'll talk in simple terms for you.My point was simply this, soccer is a boring game. Nothing more nothing less. It's not popular in this country because of that fact. Your primary response is "Shut the * up, you don't have an education.I never tried to start a debate, you did. The fact of the matter is the best athletes in the world are in this country playing Baseball, Football or Basketball. You don't know how to respond intelligently to anything I've said because your 21 years old and still refer to people as Dude. I remember what I was like at 21, though I have to admit I thought things through a little more than you do. look, enjoy life a little more and broaden your vocabulary and think things through before you speak.

Crapshoot · 04-09-2004, 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by D'artagnan
Oh my goodness, have you ever seen Dumb and Dumber?Those who have to resort to cursing, generally by rule are limited in their vocabulary and intelligence, so I'll talk in simple terms for you.My point was simply this, soccer is a boring game. Nothing more nothing less. It's not popular in this country because of that fact. Your primary response is "Shut the * up, you don't have an education.I never tried to start a debate, you did. The fact of the matter is the best athletes in the world are in this country playing Baseball, Football or Basketball. You don't know how to respond intelligently to anything I've said because your 21 years old and still refer to people as Dude. I remember what I was like at 21, though I have to admit I thought things through a little more than you do. look, enjoy life a little more and broaden your vocabulary and think things through before you speak.

My beef was with your earlier statement- that fans in other countries like "football' because their best atheletes couldn't play American sports- which is an inane and ridiculous statement- and you offered no evidence, then or now. In your latest response, you have changed that to argue that the best atheletes in the US generally play basketball or football- which is an entirely different statement, and one that I agree with. There is a difference. Your arguement however that the best atheletes in the world are in the US is once again a useless statement- offered out there as factuality without any evidence. Furthemore, you have still failed to defend this following gem:

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The culture of most countries around the world where soccer is popular, do not have the athletes to play sports like baseball or real Football or if they do they are here playing them already. Look, soccer is fine if you enjoy that sort of ho hum life but in the good 'ol USA it will never be a major sport.

Dude was a sarcastic implication- then again, you didnt catch that. I'm glad you remember 21- senility hasn't struck fully ?

dougaiton · 04-09-2004, 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by D'artagnan
]The fact of the matter is the best athletes in the world are in this country playing Baseball, Football or Basketball.

The USA proportionally is 44th in the world in producing olympic gold winning athletes. That's not very good, is it? They have produced less than a quarter of the total olympic games medal, and if you were to multiply Russia's total so that they had competed in the same number of olympics as the US, then Russia (who play 'soccer') would in fact have won more.

More people in the world play soccer than American football. Unless you have any statistics to prove that the US creates better athletes at a rate of 4 or 5 times that of the rest of the world, you might want to think about that a bit, or at least offer some evidence as to this fact. Unless of course you're trolling

D'artagnan · 04-09-2004, 06:36 AM

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Originally posted by Aadik
My beef was with your earlier statement- that fans in other countries like "football' because their best atheletes couldn't play American sports- which is an inane and ridiculous statement- and you offered no evidence, then or now. In your latest response, you have changed that to argue that the best atheletes in the US generally play basketball or football- which is an entirely different statement, and one that I agree with. There is a difference. Your arguement however that the best atheletes in the world are in the US is once again a useless statement- offered out there as factuality without any evidence. Furthemore, you have still failed to defend this following gem:

Dude was a sarcastic implication- then again, you didnt catch that. I'm glad you remember 21- senility hasn't struck fully ?

It's nice to look back at things you say such as 'Dude' and then say "I meant to say that as being sarcastic" I have a 17 year old daughter that does the same thing. Your tone sure has calmed down alot but your capacity to fully read and comprehend still leaves alot to be desired.I've said all along that the best athletes in the world are in this country playing Baseball, Football and Basketball. That hasn't changed.Football is the most demanding sport out there. not only physically but mentally. Grown men trying to put you down while remembering and executing complex formations is gruelling and takes the best athletes in the world to play in the NFL, not soccer, keep up. It takes a very special athlete to hit a baseball at 90 mph and do it day in and day out.
These two scenarios take place in this country. Soccer involves running and kicking a ball, remember players aren't trying to rip your head off at the same time. I'm not saying soccer players aren't athletes, there just not the type of athletes we in this country look up to. Soccer is just a very boring game with limited athletic ability. Let me put it to you this way, How long do you think it would take Albert Pujols to learn how to kick a soccer ball and play professionally? Probably not that long. Now how long would it take a professional soccer player to learn how to hit a baseball consistently at 90 mph. Probably never. See Michael Jordan for some proof of that.
Maybe I can teach you some more later, gotta get ready to send the kids off to school and go to work myself.
BTW, you'll have a job someday.

D'artagnan · 04-09-2004, 06:37 AM

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Originally posted by dougaiton
The USA proportionally is 44th in the world in producing olympic gold winning athletes. That's not very good, is it? They have produced less than a quarter of the total olympic games medal, and if you were to multiply Russia's total so that they had competed in the same number of olympics as the US, then Russia (who play 'soccer') would in fact have won more.

More people in the world play soccer than American football. Unless you have any statistics to prove that the US creates better athletes at a rate of 4 or 5 times that of the rest of the world, you might want to think about that a bit, or at least offer some evidence as to this fact. Unless of course you're trolling

Real quick, the Olympics are a joke. C'mon man that was weak.

dougaiton · 04-09-2004, 06:56 AM

The Olympics is a poor example, yes. But my point is that its very hard to make a case that the US produces the best athletes, when they don't seem to dominate the rest of the world in the only international event I can think of.

Perhaps a better one is this - does the US produce that many better athletes than, for example, the Dominican Republic in baseball. I would say more, sure, but not necessarily better proportionately. So, can we say the Dominican Republic produces better athletes than the US?

On your baseball/soccer thing - let's have a better example. How long would it take a cricketer to pick up baseball. Ed Smith (I keep forgetting his name) took one summer to learn how to play baseball to a decent level. Iain Botham beat a 40-year old Hank Aaron in a home-run derby at Lords, despite having never properly played the game before.

How long would it take a soccer player to learn to play in the NFL? Well, three of the NFL Europe teams last year employed ex-soccer players as kickers over American options. NFL Europe may not be NFL, but I hope your not suggesting that Albert Pujols would be playing centre-forward for Palmeiros, either! Moreover, ex-rugby players made it on the Claymores as starting tackle and tight-end - not brilliant competition level, but not bad for someone with no previous experience. We have a Scottish WR, who not the best by a long shot, still holds his own amongst a bunch of NFL 3rd stringers (which, if you think about it, should be among the 400 best players in the game) despite never playing above amateur level in Scotland before the Claymores arrived.

04-09-2004, 04:41 AM	#41
British Baseballer Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: London, England Posts: 77	Lol look what i started! i tried so hard not to by saying, lets agree to disagree as well! i sat here last night bored silly watching the Anaheim vs Seattle game on TV, by the same token I watched the Tigers Twins game and loved it, it was a great game. The same goes for soccer, some games are good some are boring. Some are high scoring some are not. in fact that sums up most sports. If you asked 95% of the European market what they thought of Baseball they would say they found it boring, why? because they are ignorant, just like the people who say soccer is boring yet have little or no idea about the game. Funny really when i started this post is was not meant to be a soccer vs baseball debate. it was meant to be an OOTP VS CM, Puresim, TCM, Baseball Mogal debate..... __________________ I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me. Winston Churchill

04-09-2004, 05:10 AM	#43
Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,112	BB, I apologize- Im an Indian who's a huge fan of baseball, football, and cricket primarily, followed closely by American football and basketball. I simply find uneducated behmoths like the D'artagan kid annoying- its one thing to say that you don't like it- its another to say that its because you have the greatest sports in the world. __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

04-09-2004, 05:17 AM	#44
British Baseballer Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: London, England Posts: 77	Thanks Aadik, personally i dont care what anybody else thinks about soccer, i like it, i watch it, i play it. I also like cricket and baseball and watch, play etc and to be fair i am not really bothered what anybody else thinks of this. There isn't an argument in the world that will change some peoples blinkered views on a subject, in this case soccer,so i won't try each to there own i guess..... __________________ I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me. Winston Churchill

04-09-2004, 06:56 AM	#52
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	The Olympics is a poor example, yes. But my point is that its very hard to make a case that the US produces the best athletes, when they don't seem to dominate the rest of the world in the only international event I can think of. Perhaps a better one is this - does the US produce that many better athletes than, for example, the Dominican Republic in baseball. I would say more, sure, but not necessarily better proportionately. So, can we say the Dominican Republic produces better athletes than the US? On your baseball/soccer thing - let's have a better example. How long would it take a cricketer to pick up baseball. Ed Smith (I keep forgetting his name) took one summer to learn how to play baseball to a decent level. Iain Botham beat a 40-year old Hank Aaron in a home-run derby at Lords, despite having never properly played the game before. How long would it take a soccer player to learn to play in the NFL? Well, three of the NFL Europe teams last year employed ex-soccer players as kickers over American options. NFL Europe may not be NFL, but I hope your not suggesting that Albert Pujols would be playing centre-forward for Palmeiros, either! Moreover, ex-rugby players made it on the Claymores as starting tackle and tight-end - not brilliant competition level, but not bad for someone with no previous experience. We have a Scottish WR, who not the best by a long shot, still holds his own amongst a bunch of NFL 3rd stringers (which, if you think about it, should be among the 400 best players in the game) despite never playing above amateur level in Scotland before the Claymores arrived. __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)