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meade95 · 12-14-2003, 12:42 AM

GDE..

Just one fact to point out, Haliburton didn't rip off the government!

Simple child, learn the facts before you argue against something. Haliburton did not make one DIME more then their contract states. What the issue is, is should Haliburton have negotiated for a better rate with one of their subcontractors!!.....whom they turned right around and paid the 61 million too! (meaning should they have played more cut throat with them and got them to do the job for say $30 million less)...

So, you see, Haliburton didn't profit a dime on the over charge...the issue is should they have cut a better deal with their subcontractor!....

But now, lets look at the facts on this......The subcontractor is charging Haliburton (Ie, the us government bascially...can you follow??)...$2.62 a gallon for gas....this is guaranteed delivery, GUARANTEED delivery in a WAR ZONE! for $2.62.....Hmm, seems like not too bad of a price to me.....Considering some States here in America are paying close to that....IN A TOTAL WAR FREE ZONE"...

another quick point....(don't have time to educate you on all the facts tonight)....but when you say we shouldn't have gone it alone in Iraq?

WE DIDN"T little boy....In fact, it is the largest coalition in history to be engaged in a "forward" military operation. THat is the largest in history!......so, agian, if you mean why didn't we wait for FRANCE or GERMANY.....because we don't need them.... and they were not up for the challenge that history placed upon the United States and others....

meade95 · 12-14-2003, 12:46 AM

GDE,

Another simple point...When you say you don't like Enron? and you mean what? You don't like the fraud that occured ALL during the Clinton years...Before Bush was elected?....Hmm, and go figure, when were they busted....DURING the Bush years. So, it is the Bush FCC and Federal prosecutors going after Enron....but somehow, you think it's Bush's fault....Great logic

And how about the Clinton Recession he left off to BUSH....who has managed to turn it around with his tax cuts for EVERYONE.....or do you buy into that "just for the rich" class warefare BS. (because I am far from Rich, but my taxes were surly cut, 2 times since he has been in office).

GDE, you should really learn more about what your talking about....unless you really don't care about the issues...and that is fine if you don't.....but then don't act as if you have a clue to what you are FOR or AGAINST.

A word of advice...don't get your information from ABC/NBC or CBS...Research facts a little more.

Sertorius · 12-14-2003, 12:54 AM

Um... could we keep the politics off this forum please. This forum is for TB and boxing, not political rants.

GDE · 12-14-2003, 12:54 AM

Meade95,

You continue to believe the Bush line all you want. Continue to blame everything on Clinton.

I guess you like the new prescription drug bill too.

The tax cut was a joke.

Where did the surplus go? Now we have the largest deficit in the history of our country.

As for Enron. Why haven't any of those executives been put in jail? That's happening under Bush's watch.

As for the personal attacks, it takes a little man to attack someone on the internet.

GDE · 12-14-2003, 12:55 AM

Meade95

You want me to get my news from Fox(Republican Center for Propaganda). No thanks. I like to think for MYSELF!!!!

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meade95 · 12-14-2003, 01:00 AM

GDE,

The tax cut was a joke, Yeah say that to the 8.2% growth in GDP....yep, big joke. Say that to the families out there rasing kids that now have an extra house payment or two....because the government is taking less of Their money..

The surplus, that is spending, nothing to do with tax cuts....and just for the record, with the Bush tax cuts, the federal government is taking in more Revenue this upcoming year, then they did BEFORE The tax cuts...

You see, when the government cuts taxes....what happens is more jobs are created...these jobs then create a growing tax base.....So the government gets to tax the "same" dollar a number of times....instead of just taxing it once.....via if taxes weren't cut...

Surplus, agian, as a percentage of the GDP, the deficit is not that much larger then it has been since the 1970's....so, don't worry about the deficit....

As for blaming everything on clinton....(great strawman argument there......I never did)....but ENRON (evil ENRON)....all its corruption took place during Clinton's years!!...facts are facts son. Even though you don't like them....

And, those executives, well, they are in the process, in fact two of them were just given jail terms about 3 weeks ago....But we do live in America and trials take time...

meade95 · 12-14-2003, 01:02 AM

GDE.

Come on, you don't think, that seems to be your problem...in fact, you seem to make arguements based on "no facts"...

GDE · 12-14-2003, 01:04 AM

Supply-side economics doesn't work.

Unemployment is high.

Continue to swallow Bush if you like.

meade95 · 12-14-2003, 01:04 AM

GDE,

And what about that Haliburton issue....come on, you are were mad at Haliburton..(and in some perverted way mad at the VP for every working for them....man, thats weird)....But, what have my facts on the issue made you less mad at them....hmm?

GDE · 12-14-2003, 01:05 AM

Meade95

You are starting to bore me.

Meade95 says "Yes President Bush may i have another"

meade95 · 12-14-2003, 01:07 AM

GDE,

Again, facts matter....Unlemployment is at 5.8%....that is historically low!! If you read history.....only because of Ronald Reagan and his economic policies has the idea of having high growth and low unemployment and low inflation.....made the idea of 5.8% unemployment seem a bit high...

and again, Bush inherited a recession....he inherited an internet bubble, created by false accounting during the late 90's...(THESE are facts son)....

Bush is simply cleaning up messes...And let me ask you, how don't tax cuts work? Name a time in history they haven't shown to be a success?

If you read history, both Democrates (FDR and JFK) where big proponets of TAX CUTS...because they work.

meade95 · 12-14-2003, 01:08 AM

GDE,

Starting to bore you....That doesn't surprise me....It seems throughout your schooling and life...."facts" have seemed to bore you .....oftenly....(like all the time).

But, they still are facts.

GDE · 12-14-2003, 01:15 AM

Meade95

I am not your "son" and don't every refer to me that way again.

If you were my father I would have committed suicide a long time ago.

Again you personally attack me. What is it about your argument that is lacking that you feel the need to TRY to belittle me?

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meade95 · 12-14-2003, 01:19 AM

calling you "son" was not trying to "belittle" you....just a phrase for those younger then myself....Say it to many, regardless of wheather I'm in agreement with them or not...

But the facts still remain the facts. You have brought up issues and your thoughts on those issue have been proven false....

Rob Fenix · 12-14-2003, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by meade95
No one on here (and not me for sure) ever advocated any position that the "customer is always right"....What I did say is more often then not consumers (people) make the right decesions when given the freedom to decide issues for themselves. And this is 100% true!.....and quite the oppostie of the notion "the customer is aways right".....No one said such a thing and thus your argument against it.....is well, foolish.

We've somehow gotten miles off from the original topic here...

Indeed, it seems we are debating two seperate issues entirely. On the one hand, the sentiment that the customer is always right. Meaning that "Average Joe" can look at a 10 dollar bill and decide between spending it on an instant lotto ticket or a hot meal. Either way, "Joe's" decision is 100% the correct one. It is his $10 to spend. Not my place to say he's right or wrong. I think just about everyone can agree with this.

Then, we have "The customer is always right", the business motto that poor working shleps everywhere curse on a near daily basis. "Average Joe" has the choice of spending his $10 on a grease burger value meal, or a nice healthy dinner that's a bit easier on the arteries. "Joe" knows the pros and cons of each decision, but when he elects for the grease burger and unfailingly slaps the merchant with a law suit as soon as he is off the operating table. This is the issue I so adamantly loathe.

It may have been a missunderstanding of the original useage that led to this point in the first place, so I'll let it rest. I think we actually have a very similar view here, it just gets muddled in the forum translation.

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And like I said I have emailed both Tom and Jim for years. I know things can be done via email with them.....that being said, if an offer in an email was made ....(and maybe Tom didn't know he was agreeing to such....but still agreed)....then that offer should be kept.

Again, I think you and I are not so different. If indeed an offer was made [u]in private[\u], via email, it should be upheld. My stance takes a sharp U-turn though when the issue is dragged into the public light, especially when initiated by the consumer. I view this as borderline extortion. There is, was, and likely never will be a reason why this type of thing can not be resolved by two parties in private. If the consumer does not reach the desired level of satisfaction, there are more appropriate ways to handle the situation. That's why we pay taxes.

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It is silly to think otherwise. And, let me also say from past experience ...going back to Lance Haffner games.....if OOTP wasn't involved....the game would have been set out to "thebadguy" in a second! .....because of the miscommunication...

(lets just say from "history", I know this to be true).

I respect your past dealings with the Trunzo's. While I personally haven't had the pleasure of corresponding on a one-on-one level with either Tom or Jim, their name's and reputations were familiar to me even before they joined .400/OOTP. I do not own any of the older games. I do have a purchased license for "World Championship Boxing Manager", which incidently seems to have dropped from the face of the earth. I seem to recall their names from my days tracking that community, although I can't remember their involvement (if any) with that project.

I am very well acquainted with the duo of Markus Heihnson (appologies to Markus, I know the last name is misspelled) and Steve Kuffrey from the OOTP baseball series. I'm not sure who calls what shots when it comes to company policy at OOTP, but I know that Markus and Steve are both very honest and forthright in their dealings with customers.

I'm going to hush up now, as I think we could go back and forth till the release of Windows 2015XP/ME/NT v6.007.213.56C on this.

Before I start rambling again, let me close with this, "Jim, Tom, I applaud your handling of this matter".

Edit - Wow. My HTML editting needs a bit of brushing up

GDE · 12-14-2003, 01:23 AM

Proven false in your mind. You believe what you want. I'll believe what I want.

Neither of us will change our minds.

meade95 · 12-14-2003, 01:33 AM

GDE,

Well, I do hope you will open up a little more.....I do like that you have shown at least "interest" in many of the topics you and I have agrued about....

Too many (at times) seem to care less about what is going on in the bigger picture.

But, I do ask you to become better informed....make decesions based more on facts....not on how you "feel" ....for example...

Don't belive the news you get from the major networks....They all have a dog in their fights....so to speak...

Best of health to you GDE.

meade95 · 12-14-2003, 01:36 AM

Rob Fenix,

"I'm going to hush up now, as I think we could go back and forth till the release of Windows 2015XP/ME/NT v6.007.213.56C on this. "

Good one, I like that.

wildhawke11 · 12-14-2003, 08:47 AM

Gentlemen
Please stop this.
This is a BOXING SITE.

If you want to discuss politics fine, but please do it in private or maybe by email.
There are other sites for this sort of thing. We all have our own views on the subjects your discussing but be fair this is not the place to air them

Thanks Gentlemen.
Danny

12-14-2003, 10:18 AM

I agree with Wild - please, no discussion of politics here!!!!

With regard to The Bad Guy, I fully support Jim Trunzo's position on this.

I've found TBG to be obnoxious from practically his very first post and he's been on my ignore list for weeks.

You don't give in to bullies like TBG.

If some misguided folks don't like the Trunzo's position on this matter, they're free not to get TBCB. They will be missing a great sim, but that's a choice they are free to make.

12-14-2003, 12:42 AM	#41
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	GDE.. Just one fact to point out, Haliburton didn't rip off the government! Simple child, learn the facts before you argue against something. Haliburton did not make one DIME more then their contract states. What the issue is, is should Haliburton have negotiated for a better rate with one of their subcontractors!!.....whom they turned right around and paid the 61 million too! (meaning should they have played more cut throat with them and got them to do the job for say $30 million less)... So, you see, Haliburton didn't profit a dime on the over charge...the issue is should they have cut a better deal with their subcontractor!.... But now, lets look at the facts on this......The subcontractor is charging Haliburton (Ie, the us government bascially...can you follow??)...$2.62 a gallon for gas....this is guaranteed delivery, GUARANTEED delivery in a WAR ZONE! for $2.62.....Hmm, seems like not too bad of a price to me.....Considering some States here in America are paying close to that....IN A TOTAL WAR FREE ZONE"... another quick point....(don't have time to educate you on all the facts tonight)....but when you say we shouldn't have gone it alone in Iraq? WE DIDN"T little boy....In fact, it is the largest coalition in history to be engaged in a "forward" military operation. THat is the largest in history!......so, agian, if you mean why didn't we wait for FRANCE or GERMANY.....because we don't need them.... and they were not up for the challenge that history placed upon the United States and others.... Last edited by meade95; 12-14-2003 at 12:55 AM.

12-14-2003, 12:46 AM	#42
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	GDE, Another simple point...When you say you don't like Enron? and you mean what? You don't like the fraud that occured ALL during the Clinton years...Before Bush was elected?....Hmm, and go figure, when were they busted....DURING the Bush years. So, it is the Bush FCC and Federal prosecutors going after Enron....but somehow, you think it's Bush's fault....Great logic And how about the Clinton Recession he left off to BUSH....who has managed to turn it around with his tax cuts for EVERYONE.....or do you buy into that "just for the rich" class warefare BS. (because I am far from Rich, but my taxes were surly cut, 2 times since he has been in office). GDE, you should really learn more about what your talking about....unless you really don't care about the issues...and that is fine if you don't.....but then don't act as if you have a clue to what you are FOR or AGAINST. A word of advice...don't get your information from ABC/NBC or CBS...Research facts a little more. Last edited by meade95; 12-14-2003 at 12:53 AM.

12-14-2003, 01:08 AM	#52
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	GDE, Starting to bore you....That doesn't surprise me....It seems throughout your schooling and life...."facts" have seemed to bore you .....oftenly....(like all the time). But, they still are facts. Last edited by meade95; 12-14-2003 at 01:11 AM.

12-14-2003, 01:15 AM	#53
GDE Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nancy,KY Posts: 193	Meade95 I am not your "son" and don't every refer to me that way again. If you were my father I would have committed suicide a long time ago. Again you personally attack me. What is it about your argument that is lacking that you feel the need to TRY to belittle me? edit for spelling/quick typing Last edited by GDE; 12-14-2003 at 01:17 AM.

12-14-2003, 08:47 AM	#59
wildhawke11 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: united kingdom Posts: 1,952	Gentlemen Please stop this. This is a BOXING SITE. If you want to discuss politics fine, but please do it in private or maybe by email. There are other sites for this sort of thing. We all have our own views on the subjects your discussing but be fair this is not the place to air them Thanks Gentlemen. Danny __________________ Always in our Hearts - RIP Danny 1939 - 2010

12-14-2003, 12:54 AM	#43
Sertorius Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 29	Um... could we keep the politics off this forum please. This forum is for TB and boxing, not political rants.

12-14-2003, 12:55 AM	#45
GDE Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nancy,KY Posts: 193	Meade95 You want me to get my news from Fox(Republican Center for Propaganda). No thanks. I like to think for MYSELF!!!! edit for quick typing

12-14-2003, 01:00 AM	#46
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	GDE, The tax cut was a joke, Yeah say that to the 8.2% growth in GDP....yep, big joke. Say that to the families out there rasing kids that now have an extra house payment or two....because the government is taking less of Their money.. The surplus, that is spending, nothing to do with tax cuts....and just for the record, with the Bush tax cuts, the federal government is taking in more Revenue this upcoming year, then they did BEFORE The tax cuts... You see, when the government cuts taxes....what happens is more jobs are created...these jobs then create a growing tax base.....So the government gets to tax the "same" dollar a number of times....instead of just taxing it once.....via if taxes weren't cut... Surplus, agian, as a percentage of the GDP, the deficit is not that much larger then it has been since the 1970's....so, don't worry about the deficit.... As for blaming everything on clinton....(great strawman argument there......I never did)....but ENRON (evil ENRON)....all its corruption took place during Clinton's years!!...facts are facts son. Even though you don't like them.... And, those executives, well, they are in the process, in fact two of them were just given jail terms about 3 weeks ago....But we do live in America and trials take time...

12-14-2003, 01:02 AM	#47
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	GDE. Come on, you don't think, that seems to be your problem...in fact, you seem to make arguements based on "no facts"...

12-14-2003, 01:04 AM	#48
GDE Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nancy,KY Posts: 193	Supply-side economics doesn't work. Unemployment is high. Continue to swallow Bush if you like.

12-14-2003, 01:05 AM	#50
GDE Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nancy,KY Posts: 193	Meade95 You are starting to bore me. Meade95 says "Yes President Bush may i have another"

12-14-2003, 01:07 AM	#51
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	GDE, Again, facts matter....Unlemployment is at 5.8%....that is historically low!! If you read history.....only because of Ronald Reagan and his economic policies has the idea of having high growth and low unemployment and low inflation.....made the idea of 5.8% unemployment seem a bit high... and again, Bush inherited a recession....he inherited an internet bubble, created by false accounting during the late 90's...(THESE are facts son).... Bush is simply cleaning up messes...And let me ask you, how don't tax cuts work? Name a time in history they haven't shown to be a success? If you read history, both Democrates (FDR and JFK) where big proponets of TAX CUTS...because they work.

12-14-2003, 01:19 AM	#54
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	calling you "son" was not trying to "belittle" you....just a phrase for those younger then myself....Say it to many, regardless of wheather I'm in agreement with them or not... But the facts still remain the facts. You have brought up issues and your thoughts on those issue have been proven false....

12-14-2003, 01:23 AM	#56
GDE Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nancy,KY Posts: 193	Proven false in your mind. You believe what you want. I'll believe what I want. Neither of us will change our minds.

12-14-2003, 01:33 AM	#57
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	GDE, Well, I do hope you will open up a little more.....I do like that you have shown at least "interest" in many of the topics you and I have agrued about.... Too many (at times) seem to care less about what is going on in the bigger picture. But, I do ask you to become better informed....make decesions based more on facts....not on how you "feel" ....for example... Don't belive the news you get from the major networks....They all have a dog in their fights....so to speak... Best of health to you GDE.

12-14-2003, 01:36 AM	#58
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	Rob Fenix, "I'm going to hush up now, as I think we could go back and forth till the release of Windows 2015XP/ME/NT v6.007.213.56C on this. " Good one, I like that.

12-14-2003, 10:18 AM	#60
60'sfan Guest Posts: n/a	I agree with Wild - please, no discussion of politics here!!!! With regard to The Bad Guy, I fully support Jim Trunzo's position on this. I've found TBG to be obnoxious from practically his very first post and he's been on my ignore list for weeks. You don't give in to bullies like TBG. If some misguided folks don't like the Trunzo's position on this matter, they're free not to get TBCB. They will be missing a great sim, but that's a choice they are free to make.