2003 OOTP5 Pay League with cash prizes starting in near future.. - Page 3

treedom · 05-24-2003, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eckstein 4 Prez
I think his idea is perfectly acceptable. I for one wouldn't join, but I don't understand why everyone is in such a tizzy about it. Don't join the league if you don't like its policies.

no tizzy...this is a discussion forum...i'm just discussing...

NYM Jason Phillips 23 · 05-24-2003, 06:13 PM

good points by all. Treedom's espically, most things just wouldnt matter. 250 mill payroll? who cares? no prospects? no cares.. and because EVERYONE will be going for the same goal, i doubt many trades will happen.

Total Nirvana · 05-24-2003, 11:02 PM

Jamie, I don't think trades is anywhere near a factor of a Pay League.

I'm not saying that I'm for or against a Pay League. I joined two FHL Pay leagues back in the day, and both shut down and ran off with our money. We thought we trusted the commissioner, but we didn't after everything was over with. Because of that, I will never join a Pay League again.

I just think what it comes down to is does the league have a respectable and fair pay system, where the teams get a certain amount of moeny compared to the original pot. To me, the top teams should get some kind of pay, and the commissioner should get little to no money out of it, unless a part of the pot is to go to the league costs, like the website, and other programs related to the league. The other is if you can trust the commissioner to the point where he can run a successful online league, and not run off with your money.

Like I said, I don't endorce or say no to a Pay League. I just think it's a risk you have to take if you want to join one.

I think the commissioner(s) needs to build a foundation of trust. Not only by his potential owners, but the community that he belongs in. I highly suggest running a small online league before getting into this. This gives the chance to let those who can join your Pay League see if they can trust you or not.

Just .02 more added to the bank.

HolyCow98 · 05-25-2003, 01:27 AM

Okay here are my short list of pros and cons....

I think the commishes profit shouldn't be as high...nor do I think starting off finding 30 owners that will be willing to pay 20 bucks....something like this is going to be even harder to get off the ground then a normal league and how many leagues never make it to their second season....a ton..I honestly feel beyond website fees and stuff it should be quite low....otherwise I would feel the commish is more concerned about his cut of the cash then about the league and that just wouldn't work for me or alot of other people I think.

You should test the league out with a really low entry price and see how it goes...the have a league vote....but I still think no one will join any league where the commish is going to net as much money as this one appears to...no offense

dan4christ · 05-25-2003, 03:20 PM

I appreciate everyones opinions on the topic...

It is not a certainty that it will fly..

I was curious as to why this wasnt going already and talked to a few owners from 05b , im currently the Cubs in that league.

(I have previously been in NBSL and PBL.. but had to quit due to time contraints with school and such.)

I am sure those of you who are married understand how difficult it can be to JUSTIFY spending so much time being a commish in a league to your significant other. (Im gettiing married this summer and she already thinks I play too much madden on xbox =) )

I understand your concern about the $ and trust.

This is the biggest issue in my opinion.
I however am of the opinion, that if a commish is getting some compensation for his hard work and time,
1)he is less likely to feel unappreciated (because in a sense, its his job),
2)More could be expected of the commish.
3)I am, however unsure how to develop this trust
4) I think getting paid to be a commish for a league would be a great job, even if in a limited role.

So then, how much should the league charge? Im not sure... im getting different opinions... a few people who i first approached with the idea recommended a BIG payout to the winner. That necessitated the $20-25 entry fee, but thats up to the owners.

I then started to think about how to make this a long term league?
1)Either start with real teams and real rosters and let the owners decide how good of a team they want to start out with... Like $35 for yankees..and $5 for Orioles (example).

There are some negatives to this too however... but it would really be cool to be in a league where rebuilding could matter.

so you pay $5, $5.. then 30 .. then you win the series in season 3.. with the Orioles...

But for owners.. I dont see the point of charging unless there were prizes for winning or website fees.

I need to look into paypal more.. but i was told that you could set up an account for others to view the balances. This might help the trust issue.

I am not sure if there is a way to secure the balance for a certain time or not....but there may be.

as far as time commitment and getting paid...

10 hours a month seems about right from what ive heard.. correct me if im wrong... if the commish made $100 a month, that would be $10/hr for his services. That is the amount of profit i calculated for ONE season, $20/per owner, and 3 months actual time. Perhaps this is a little high. $5/hr may be more realistic.

so if everyone were you go $15 season..(thats $5 a month real time)... the Prize pool (assuming free webspage at ootp-leagues) would be $450... the commish would take $150 at the end of the season.. and the remaining $300 would be distributed in prizes.

Or possibly everyone gets $5 back at seasons end...which would leave $150 in prizes.

I do like the idea of maybe having someone outside of the league who is trusted open a paypal account.

I think having someone from .400 could create some sticky issues.
I emailed markus and he replied that there were no legal issues of a pay league and .400 studios.

I probably missed some questions.. but .. feel free to AIM me at hispoem20 if you have any ideas or questions..

thanks
-Dan

treedom · 05-25-2003, 05:11 PM

there are dozens of guys out there who run a league (or two or three) for no profit...but you feel that your time is worth $10/hour?

please

even if i was into the whole playing for money thing, i wouldn't join this league on principle...

NYM Jason Phillips 23 · 05-25-2003, 08:31 PM

why cant you do it for free? people do it for the enjoyment, not the money. Theres tons and tons of people who put hours and hours a day into thier league. OOTP Leagues= A Hobby. Not a Business.

Cooleyvol · 05-25-2003, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dan4christ

as far as time commitment and getting paid...

10 hours a month seems about right from what ive heard.. correct me if im wrong... if the commish made $100 a month, that would be $10/hr for his services.

thanks
-Dan

You're wrong!

WAAAAAY wrong!

UKSubs · 05-25-2003, 09:25 PM

Try ten hours a week at minimum.

TC Dale · 05-25-2003, 09:28 PM

Not sure how many people have spoken to the gentleman that wants to create the pay league, but, after speaking to him on AIM, I am convinced that he would be better off just running a non-pay league.

That being said, I feel like I need to say that while his motives seem shady, I believe he wants to run a pay league very badly. I do not understand his reasoning where the commissioner should take the money that he is proposing.

To claim that you deserve money for your work without proving your worth, is wrong in my opinion.

The commissioners that I have been under both in OOTP and fantasy baseball, both offline and online, were people that did it for the fun of it. I think maybe one gentleman even got 20 dollars for his hard work at the end of one year, and that was because his league was professional from the beginning and the owners wanted to give him something for his hard work.

To declare that dan's league should pay him 10 dollars a hour, is indeed an slap in the face to all the commissioners of the leagues that do this day in and day out for nothing at all.

I was under the impression that this gentleman was just naive in his assumption that people would pay the commissioner to do what others have done for free.

dan, I recommend you start a league with OOTP that doesn't charge people to play. See what it takes to be a commissioner first, and what you have to go through to make your league one of the special ones.

By offering a great "free" league for a few OOTP seasons, folks can get used to your style of leadership, and how you run a successful league.

As it sits right now, I am pretty sure that a lot of people really think you are not serious with your statements , and are making them out of naivete or just plain ignorance. I believe by actions and not words you show your true self.

Rethink your idea of running a pay league for now, and see how your shot of a free league works out.

HolyCow98 · 05-26-2003, 01:27 AM

I am in the O5B as well, as the Braves, and I am also the one of the ones he has spoke to as far as questions...

Dan...I really think the idea "could" work, I wouldn't have talked to you over AIM about it if I didn't, but I don't think it will work in the way you think or want to, and I can almost guarentee you won't find 30 GMs to start a league with. Over time, I think a normal league could turn into a league like this.

You made the comment of "you didn't know how to go about developing the trust" well that is easy commish a normal league first...if people see you are a good commish who is dedicated to the league and you make it as fun as you can...you may very well develop the owner base trust required to get that off the ground.

As far as time it takes...well I am no expert..but I have recently helped start and currently co-commish in the FLB...we are currently playing some exhibition spring training games....I can say that I spent ten hours alone in the first weekend...I remember actually not having time to talk to you (O5B Cubs) about a potential trade of Chipper Jones to the Cubs, I'm sure you remember that...LOL, because I was so busy with the FLB start up...there is so much more than taking peoples exports and hitting the sim button....I would say it will be much more than 10 HRs a month, and if you think you "can" do it in 10 HRs a month, I don't think the league will work or any trust will develop as the owners you need will look at you as inactive...

Matteo · 05-26-2003, 04:08 AM

To give this discussion a "twist"!

I am in O5B as well, and I told Dan from the beginning there are some serious issues and I wouldn't join. I believe OOTP should be fun, and when cash prizes are involved you could have some serious collusion threats. Also, what would happen when people drop out etc.

In addition, I feel a commish should never be paid for the simple reason the burden on this commish would be to big. What happens if he makes a mistake, or is late for a sim? People would be (rightfully so) complaining all the time.

Having said that, I have good experiences in having GMs own their franchise. They pay real money (just a manageable amount like a one-time fee of $20 - $40) to get ownership of their team, and have some more freedom to expand stadium, relocate etc. However, the advantage versus GMs that doesn't own their team shouldn't be too big. The only way to get this money back is to sell your team, some even make a small profit if they take over a bad team and improve it.

This concept I have seen is at the very beginning, but with like 50% currently owning their team it means they are mostly in there for the long term. One could think combining this with cash prizes, but as I said there are some serious issues with regard to commish expectations.

YankeeHaterz · 05-26-2003, 10:52 AM

You defintly need to have a Draft, no one in there right mind wil take the Tigers/Ray or O's for 20 bucks , maybe someone would consider it more if it was 20 bucks for like 3 or 4 sim seaosn, that way they can build a team and try to win it all or somthing in like 3 years. thats my suggestion

Eckstein 4 Prez · 05-26-2003, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TC Dale
To declare that dan's league should pay him 10 dollars a hour, is indeed an slap in the face to all the commissioners of the leagues that do this day in and day out for nothing at all.

I was under the impression that this gentleman was just naive in his assumption that people would pay the commissioner to do what others have done for free.

Indeed. Sorry for getting on everybody earlier in this thread for their harsh criticism. I thought that either Dan's math was wrong or he was just being a little naive. There are many great commishes here who put in all kinds of time for free. You are smoking too much of the crack if you think anyone will pay you to do it. I think the idea of a pay league has merit (although I suspect it's unworkable in a practical sense), but clearly you are not the messenger to carry this idea forward. I too would like to get paid to play OOTP, but since I live in the real world, I have to go to an actual job instead.

dan4christ · 05-27-2003, 04:15 PM

Well then....

I truly did not mean to offend the truly hard working guys running leagues.

It was just an idea...

Thanks to everyone who commented on the Pay league idea...

I respect your opinions and will take your advice...

At this point .. the pay league is at best suspended or worse a fictional dream job =)

I wish you all the best in your leagues.

Dan

CommishJoe · 05-27-2003, 04:22 PM

Heck, I didn't even charge for BOSI because it didn't feel right (I do accept donations though

) . Would I love for BOSI and running a league be a full time job? Hell yeah! Will it ever happen? Nop.

So, although it sounds cool on the surface, I doubt it would ever happen, especially with the parameters you initially proposed.

satchel · 05-27-2003, 08:41 PM

I agree with Matteo, the better idea is auctioning teams off like characters from Everquest.

Carlton · 05-27-2003, 09:11 PM

It's creative no doubt, but would work alot better (given the money put in)

to have fictional teams.

1st off, being in both kinds of leagues, my fictional league has the best owners, who want to compete, who love their players and want to be THE MAN as it were in the league.

So why not do a fictional league starting in 1901 and coming to the present??

sporr · 05-28-2003, 08:43 AM

I think everybody dreams of one day getting paid for something that they do as a hobby.

HolyCow98 · 05-30-2003, 03:08 PM

I do have a question...have anybody been in leagues where there were prizes...maybe not cash prizes....TO me it would be kinda neat to have a league...where everyone pitches in like a dollar and some change...and the team with best record (or something) wins next years version of OOTP (6?) off of the money everyone puts in....I for one would have no problems putting in for something like that...

05-24-2003, 06:13 PM	#42
NYM Jason Phillips 23 Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 58	good points by all. Treedom's espically, most things just wouldnt matter. 250 mill payroll? who cares? no prospects? no cares.. and because EVERYONE will be going for the same goal, i doubt many trades will happen. __________________ HOCKEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Ny Ranger fan)

05-24-2003, 11:02 PM	#43
Total Nirvana All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 750	Jamie, I don't think trades is anywhere near a factor of a Pay League. I'm not saying that I'm for or against a Pay League. I joined two FHL Pay leagues back in the day, and both shut down and ran off with our money. We thought we trusted the commissioner, but we didn't after everything was over with. Because of that, I will never join a Pay League again. I just think what it comes down to is does the league have a respectable and fair pay system, where the teams get a certain amount of moeny compared to the original pot. To me, the top teams should get some kind of pay, and the commissioner should get little to no money out of it, unless a part of the pot is to go to the league costs, like the website, and other programs related to the league. The other is if you can trust the commissioner to the point where he can run a successful online league, and not run off with your money. Like I said, I don't endorce or say no to a Pay League. I just think it's a risk you have to take if you want to join one. I think the commissioner(s) needs to build a foundation of trust. Not only by his potential owners, but the community that he belongs in. I highly suggest running a small online league before getting into this. This gives the chance to let those who can join your Pay League see if they can trust you or not. Just .02 more added to the bank. __________________ Total Hockey Commissioner Your Off-Topic Nightmare. Free Agent OT Player - Plays 1B/3B/OF, hits for power on all fields, great fielder, can hit .330 a season!

05-25-2003, 01:27 AM	#44
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	Okay here are my short list of pros and cons.... I think the commishes profit shouldn't be as high...nor do I think starting off finding 30 owners that will be willing to pay 20 bucks....something like this is going to be even harder to get off the ground then a normal league and how many leagues never make it to their second season....a ton..I honestly feel beyond website fees and stuff it should be quite low....otherwise I would feel the commish is more concerned about his cut of the cash then about the league and that just wouldn't work for me or alot of other people I think. You should test the league out with a really low entry price and see how it goes...the have a league vote....but I still think no one will join any league where the commish is going to net as much money as this one appears to...no offense __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

05-25-2003, 03:20 PM	#45
dan4christ Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 39	Payleague I appreciate everyones opinions on the topic... It is not a certainty that it will fly.. I was curious as to why this wasnt going already and talked to a few owners from 05b , im currently the Cubs in that league. (I have previously been in NBSL and PBL.. but had to quit due to time contraints with school and such.) I am sure those of you who are married understand how difficult it can be to JUSTIFY spending so much time being a commish in a league to your significant other. (Im gettiing married this summer and she already thinks I play too much madden on xbox =) ) I understand your concern about the $ and trust. This is the biggest issue in my opinion. I however am of the opinion, that if a commish is getting some compensation for his hard work and time, 1)he is less likely to feel unappreciated (because in a sense, its his job), 2)More could be expected of the commish. 3)I am, however unsure how to develop this trust 4) I think getting paid to be a commish for a league would be a great job, even if in a limited role. So then, how much should the league charge? Im not sure... im getting different opinions... a few people who i first approached with the idea recommended a BIG payout to the winner. That necessitated the $20-25 entry fee, but thats up to the owners. I then started to think about how to make this a long term league? 1)Either start with real teams and real rosters and let the owners decide how good of a team they want to start out with... Like $35 for yankees..and $5 for Orioles (example). There are some negatives to this too however... but it would really be cool to be in a league where rebuilding could matter. so you pay $5, $5.. then 30 .. then you win the series in season 3.. with the Orioles... But for owners.. I dont see the point of charging unless there were prizes for winning or website fees. I need to look into paypal more.. but i was told that you could set up an account for others to view the balances. This might help the trust issue. I am not sure if there is a way to secure the balance for a certain time or not....but there may be. as far as time commitment and getting paid... 10 hours a month seems about right from what ive heard.. correct me if im wrong... if the commish made $100 a month, that would be $10/hr for his services. That is the amount of profit i calculated for ONE season, $20/per owner, and 3 months actual time. Perhaps this is a little high. $5/hr may be more realistic. so if everyone were you go $15 season..(thats $5 a month real time)... the Prize pool (assuming free webspage at ootp-leagues) would be $450... the commish would take $150 at the end of the season.. and the remaining $300 would be distributed in prizes. Or possibly everyone gets $5 back at seasons end...which would leave $150 in prizes. I do like the idea of maybe having someone outside of the league who is trusted open a paypal account. I think having someone from .400 could create some sticky issues. I emailed markus and he replied that there were no legal issues of a pay league and .400 studios. I probably missed some questions.. but .. feel free to AIM me at hispoem20 if you have any ideas or questions.. thanks -Dan

05-25-2003, 05:11 PM	#46
treedom Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Transylvania Posts: 2,900	there are dozens of guys out there who run a league (or two or three) for no profit...but you feel that your time is worth $10/hour? please even if i was into the whole playing for money thing, i wouldn't join this league on principle... __________________ A rake and a roustabout.

05-25-2003, 08:31 PM	#47
NYM Jason Phillips 23 Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 58	why cant you do it for free? people do it for the enjoyment, not the money. Theres tons and tons of people who put hours and hours a day into thier league. OOTP Leagues= A Hobby. Not a Business. __________________ HOCKEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Ny Ranger fan)

05-25-2003, 09:25 PM	#49
UKSubs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 272	Try ten hours a week at minimum. __________________ Counter Culture Baseball Commissioner/Houston Astros RANZBA Adelaide Crows

05-25-2003, 09:28 PM	#50
TC Dale Global Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,983	Not sure how many people have spoken to the gentleman that wants to create the pay league, but, after speaking to him on AIM, I am convinced that he would be better off just running a non-pay league. That being said, I feel like I need to say that while his motives seem shady, I believe he wants to run a pay league very badly. I do not understand his reasoning where the commissioner should take the money that he is proposing. To claim that you deserve money for your work without proving your worth, is wrong in my opinion. The commissioners that I have been under both in OOTP and fantasy baseball, both offline and online, were people that did it for the fun of it. I think maybe one gentleman even got 20 dollars for his hard work at the end of one year, and that was because his league was professional from the beginning and the owners wanted to give him something for his hard work. To declare that dan's league should pay him 10 dollars a hour, is indeed an slap in the face to all the commissioners of the leagues that do this day in and day out for nothing at all. I was under the impression that this gentleman was just naive in his assumption that people would pay the commissioner to do what others have done for free. dan, I recommend you start a league with OOTP that doesn't charge people to play. See what it takes to be a commissioner first, and what you have to go through to make your league one of the special ones. By offering a great "free" league for a few OOTP seasons, folks can get used to your style of leadership, and how you run a successful league. As it sits right now, I am pretty sure that a lot of people really think you are not serious with your statements , and are making them out of naivete or just plain ignorance. I believe by actions and not words you show your true self. Rethink your idea of running a pay league for now, and see how your shot of a free league works out. __________________ ----------------------------------

05-26-2003, 01:27 AM	#51
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	I am in the O5B as well, as the Braves, and I am also the one of the ones he has spoke to as far as questions... Dan...I really think the idea "could" work, I wouldn't have talked to you over AIM about it if I didn't, but I don't think it will work in the way you think or want to, and I can almost guarentee you won't find 30 GMs to start a league with. Over time, I think a normal league could turn into a league like this. You made the comment of "you didn't know how to go about developing the trust" well that is easy commish a normal league first...if people see you are a good commish who is dedicated to the league and you make it as fun as you can...you may very well develop the owner base trust required to get that off the ground. As far as time it takes...well I am no expert..but I have recently helped start and currently co-commish in the FLB...we are currently playing some exhibition spring training games....I can say that I spent ten hours alone in the first weekend...I remember actually not having time to talk to you (O5B Cubs) about a potential trade of Chipper Jones to the Cubs, I'm sure you remember that...LOL, because I was so busy with the FLB start up...there is so much more than taking peoples exports and hitting the sim button....I would say it will be much more than 10 HRs a month, and if you think you "can" do it in 10 HRs a month, I don't think the league will work or any trust will develop as the owners you need will look at you as inactive... __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

05-26-2003, 04:08 AM	#52
Matteo Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 473	To give this discussion a "twist"! I am in O5B as well, and I told Dan from the beginning there are some serious issues and I wouldn't join. I believe OOTP should be fun, and when cash prizes are involved you could have some serious collusion threats. Also, what would happen when people drop out etc. In addition, I feel a commish should never be paid for the simple reason the burden on this commish would be to big. What happens if he makes a mistake, or is late for a sim? People would be (rightfully so) complaining all the time. Having said that, I have good experiences in having GMs own their franchise. They pay real money (just a manageable amount like a one-time fee of $20 - $40) to get ownership of their team, and have some more freedom to expand stadium, relocate etc. However, the advantage versus GMs that doesn't own their team shouldn't be too big. The only way to get this money back is to sell your team, some even make a small profit if they take over a bad team and improve it. This concept I have seen is at the very beginning, but with like 50% currently owning their team it means they are mostly in there for the long term. One could think combining this with cash prizes, but as I said there are some serious issues with regard to commish expectations. __________________ ESPN The Show live chat during 2004 ALCS: Julie (Boston): Do you think Jeter does the fist pump everytime he disappoints a woman in bed? Or does he save it for when he's with A-Rod? Bill Simmons: Whoops - I didn't mean to post that. Really, I didn't.

05-26-2003, 10:52 AM	#53
YankeeHaterz Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 42	You defintly need to have a Draft, no one in there right mind wil take the Tigers/Ray or O's for 20 bucks , maybe someone would consider it more if it was 20 bucks for like 3 or 4 sim seaosn, that way they can build a team and try to win it all or somthing in like 3 years. thats my suggestion

05-27-2003, 04:15 PM	#55
dan4christ Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 39	Well then.... I truly did not mean to offend the truly hard working guys running leagues. It was just an idea... Thanks to everyone who commented on the Pay league idea... I respect your opinions and will take your advice... At this point .. the pay league is at best suspended or worse a fictional dream job =) I wish you all the best in your leagues. Dan

05-27-2003, 04:22 PM	#56
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	Heck, I didn't even charge for BOSI because it didn't feel right (I do accept donations though ) . Would I love for BOSI and running a league be a full time job? Hell yeah! Will it ever happen? Nop. So, although it sounds cool on the surface, I doubt it would ever happen, especially with the parameters you initially proposed. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

05-27-2003, 08:41 PM	#57
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	I agree with Matteo, the better idea is auctioning teams off like characters from Everquest. __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59

05-27-2003, 09:11 PM	#58
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	It's creative no doubt, but would work alot better (given the money put in) to have fictional teams. 1st off, being in both kinds of leagues, my fictional league has the best owners, who want to compete, who love their players and want to be THE MAN as it were in the league. So why not do a fictional league starting in 1901 and coming to the present?? __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

05-28-2003, 08:43 AM	#59
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	I think everybody dreams of one day getting paid for something that they do as a hobby.

05-30-2003, 03:08 PM	#60
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	I do have a question...have anybody been in leagues where there were prizes...maybe not cash prizes....TO me it would be kinda neat to have a league...where everyone pitches in like a dollar and some change...and the team with best record (or something) wins next years version of OOTP (6?) off of the money everyone puts in....I for one would have no problems putting in for something like that... __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM