Annoying auction behavior

[Samueltbaum]

Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

I’ve never found it difficult.

Props!

[Crispus77]

Originally Posted by PunishedF2P

The amount is irrelevant - whether it's 1pp or 10,000pp. The simple fact is that the system is set up so that the lowest sell order gets sold first. It's not about 1pp. It's about being the cheapest card so you sell the card. Makes sense to me.

A little late to respond...but I do this sometimes (mainly for expensive cards that don't seem to sell often), and the above rationale is EXACTLY why I do it. I'm trying to sell my card first. I'd be fine with the devs changing it so you have to set your price at 10% less instead...in that case, I'd probably just match the first person's price and settle for being second in line. But until they do that, yeah, I want mine to sell first because I'm F2P and desperate for points. I don't check regularly to make sure I'm still lowest, though, that's too tedious. I check my sell orders and adjust prices for the remaining cards twice a week, at most.

[bdawg]

Originally Posted by Samueltbaum

I understand frustration, but this is a game. There is nothing wrong with what the people are doing. You can do the same exact thing. I do not know you, and you very well may be an very strong human being, I'm simply taking your message and responding back to it.

One of the hardest parts about society, is people can't handle failure, so they cry about it, until they get their way. People have become weak, and we need people to become strong.

I hope no rules are changed to this.

I haven't read all threads to this, just a few of them.

I will not draw parallels to bad behavior, but I will say because one person does something is not a reason to say others can and should do the same thing. There's a reason we teach children the golden rule - it's an attempt to make society a better place. Think about that.

Also, it's a game - you said it yourself. Why the heck would you try to extrapolate a post on a forum about a game to some personal "you're weak and society doesn't need you weak" attitude because they want to play A GAME in a different system or with a rule change?

I have no issues if people want to disagree on a fundamental level. Perfectly happy debating the system. Your post would have been fine without that second paragraph (which appears to have been thrown in out of spite and some political attempt to dissuade anyone to disagree with you by calling them a weak part of society). But I can't believe how much this thread has resulted in some people busting out the personal attacks - and from an alleged mature community of people! Sheesh. Someone's opinion of a system in a game does not make them weak. And cancer is no excuse to behave badly to people either.

[Samueltbaum]

Originally Posted by bdawg

I will not draw parallels to bad behavior, but I will say because one person does something is not a reason to say others can and should do the same thing. There's a reason we teach children the golden rule - it's an attempt to make society a better place. Think about that.

Also, it's a game - you said it yourself. Why the heck would you try to extrapolate a post on a forum about a game to some personal "you're weak and society doesn't need you weak" attitude because they want to play A GAME in a different system or with a rule change?

I have no issues if people want to disagree on a fundamental level. Perfectly happy debating the system. Your post would have been fine without that second paragraph (which appears to have been thrown in out of spite and some political attempt to dissuade anyone to disagree with you by calling them a weak part of society). But I can't believe how much this thread has resulted in some people busting out the personal attacks - and from an alleged mature community of people! Sheesh. Someone's opinion of a system in a game does not make them weak. And cancer is no excuse to behave badly to people either.

You threw three shots at this game or its community, then state that others have bad behavior? Then when a rebuttal happens you play the victim. YOU STARTED THE BAD BEHAVIOR!!!!! I sense that your posts were driven, whether you know it or not, by do as I say not as I do. Think about that the next time you make the golden rule one of your defenses.

1. You stated that the community was toxic because people found a way to be more successful in this game. Someone wants their card sold more than another person. 1PP, 1000PP, it doesn't matter, they want their card sold more, and spend more time in the game to make it happen.

2... You threw a shot at 40+ year old's saying how ridiculous they can be.... How do you know these people are 40+, and why is it ridiculous? Even if they are 40+ year old's, they have a great deal of knowledge, and have paid many dues to this world to be happy. To be shot at by someone (just speculating by your 40+ comment alone) who is not 40+. I am not 40+, but I have always had a great deal of respect for elders, which is something that has become more and more lost over time.

3.... You threw a shot at the game for not being as competitive as fortnight or call of duty... This is one of the best sports management games out their. There are people who are very competitive over this. Don't discredit a phenomenal game stating that other games are more competitive.

In one post you threw 3 shots, then claimed that other things make the community toxic.

Again.... I don't know you, you may have a very strong will. But many good, competitive things have been destroyed, because of people who don't succeed in a strong system, have a louder voice. At that point the strong system must cater towards the people who don't have the same level of drive. Drive gets diminished, and we are stuck with more and more people losing desire to be strong willed. Then the second a strong willed person steps up, they get scrutinized for having bad behavior, because we are not understanding of the people that don't give it their all.

Also... Its a game, why are you taking shots at 40+ year olds, or the competitiveness, or the community? YOU STARTED THIS!!!!!

I very much like to debate.... I love to see all sides of discussion, and often times defend both sides. I will defend just about anything even if I don't agree with it, when something is being bashed. You bashed... I defended. The only way we get strong is to have discussion. Could their be changes to the game. Yes, I don't think its necessary to be successful though. To succeed in this game it takes a lot of time and effort. That's what makes the game great, and I personally don't want it to change. Put the time in and you will be succeed.

I would not have posted the way I did if you started this post civil. Your post was fine, but if you throw stones, don't get upset when the stones are thrown back.

You can't believe how much personal attacks were thrown out... In your post you threw three attacks. Think in the future about how you word a post. If you throw a punch, there is a good chance there will be punches thrown back.

In closing. You may be an extraordinary, human being. I appreciate that you fight for what you believe in. But I don't enjoy how you play victim after you started off as the attacker.

[Samueltbaum]

Originally Posted by bdawg

No, what stops me from doing it is kindness, caring, and not wanting to screw my fellow man for 1 PP. It's called common decency, eh old man? (figure you're calling someone in their 40s a kid, you must be pretty old). The time that elapsed since I placed these card orders and when I opened up the "your card orders" page and saw this was only a few hours.

Another gem of the community.

The devs could easily put an algorithm in place that makes makes it so if you beat someone else's offer that you have to beat it by X pp (based upon the cost) - for instance:

1-100 : 1pp difference minimum
101-1000: 10pp difference minimum
1001-10000: 100pp difference minimum
10001+: 1000pp difference minimum

This isn't a traditional auction site. You're not buying actual cards with actual differences from individuals who ship differently and have different feedback. You're buying virtual cards with no difference. I am all about free enterprise, but when you're talking about a game that's supposed to be fun, you shouldn't be allowed to screw other people in an annoying manner. That'll annoy people enough they won't want to play anymore. Get it, fella?

I'm going through your other reply's to this to point out other shots fired. I'm doing it one by one so there might already be answers to what I say.

I am envisioning this whole thread in a different light... It is a boxing match with jabs thrown at each other...

A hall of famer on this forum (don't know what it means but assume a great deal of time spent to the game) made a valid statement, then followed it up with the jab of calling you Kid. You returned the jab by calling him an old man. I've heard many adults and children call other adults and children kid and old man. Literally being 1 month older/kid than someone could consider them an old man or a kid. I assume you are older than 40.

Again I see no problem with how it is run. There is no screwing over if someone.

[Samueltbaum]

Originally Posted by bdawg

Who pissed in your Wheaties? My god man. Get a grip, it's a game. Did I hit a nerve?

I'm not vying for "setting other people's prices" any more than eBay tells you that you can't bid 1-cent higher than the last bidder. It's not about "working for it" but rather just setting minimum changes. All auction sites do this to buyers (except those auction sites where you pay per bid).

Why did you start out so condescending and get so aggressive with me? Don't understand this behavior with a game. But then again, I play for fun.

Again... A boxing match... This is simply not a peaceful discussion. I don't think it's bad behavior though. In competition there are verbal jabs thrown all the time. But, I'll point this out likely several time... YOU BDAWG threw out the first punch.

His responses likely came from you initial aggressive attack.. Don't throw stones if you don't want them returned.

[Samueltbaum]

Originally Posted by bdawg

Thank you LeeD, Hwilensky, HRBaker, and rburg for being relaxed. I remember the old system, definitely wasn't very good either. Still think some improvements to the current system (stated above) would be well-received.

We're in the point of the year where these kinds of suggestions could be used to shape the next game, so it's a good time to talk constructively about these ideas. Always good to have conversations about how to improve a game you like with good people.

Props to the people you thanked. They kept calm after you attacked, and gave you a response you were more happy with. You threw, maybe unknowingly or passive aggressively towards Ty Cobb. Do you imply that Ty Cobb is not a good person? You started the fire, keep adding to the fire BDAWG, then seem to get upset that there is a fire.

I agree its good to have conversations to improve the game. But someone who throws a punch, implies someone who returns a punch is a bad person? I do not understand your logic.

You again could be an outstanding human being. I hope you are. But don't cook fried chicken if you don't want oil splatter to hit you.

[Samueltbaum]

Not sure of your upbringing/live experiences BDAWG.. But I've learned from nature and nurture. To not throw the first punch, but defend if one is ever thrown at me or others.

I've looked at some of your other posts to see if this is a common occurrence for you.... It doesn't appear to be, so I'm confused why a 40+ with an engineering job, would trash talk the game and its community. Then maybe not understand that they were trash talking... Then get upset when the talk is returned... I gather you've got a good head on your shoulders... You do seem to have a disliking for people who pay to win, or commit a lot of time to this game. I am neither of those.

If I ever did throw the first punch, I would understand that there would be retaliation...

You jumped into a different peaceful post that I started...... Up to the point where you jumped in and continued this boxing match.....

I promise..... If you make posts that do not attack people, I will not defend and throw counters....

You built up a bunch of wood..... You lit it on fire..... Someone comes along and adds wood to the fire.... You seem to get upset and blame others for starting the fire, that you started.


I'm not upset that this is a fire. It is simply a heated discussion. Sometimes discussions are heated, but often times in my life the heated discussions come out being very productive and great learning experiences...

[Ty Cobb]

Very well said, Samueltbaum.

[Kushiel]

I pre-ordered today.

[Samueltbaum]

Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

Very well said, Samueltbaum.

Thanks for reading!!!!

We are all in this together. Its a amazing game with a great/helpful community! Even when it gets heated sometimes...

[Samueltbaum]

Originally Posted by Kushiel

I pre-ordered today.

I am contemplating whether or not too. I typically buy a new version every 3 years or so to see the updates. I go through phased of playing a lot of OOTP, then other phases when I don't.

I became disappointed in myself for not realizing that the new version came out shortly after I bout 24.

[Kushiel]

It's better to start in the beginning of the cycle than to decide later again to play. And they have a discount for the pre-order. I am looking at the Bailey method this year, I think.

Mainly I thought the thread needed a new direction.

[daves]

Originally Posted by bdawg

One of those things that makes this community toxic IMHO - the people who put their card for sale at just 1 pp less than you. Are you really trying to squeeze every last pp from buyers and screw the guy 1 above you?

There is so much the devs could do to curb this, but alas, we're left to see how ridiculous 40+ year-old adults can be. I guess you can't escape bad behavior even when you're not playing something so competitive as Fortnite or Call of Duty.

I agree the onesies are annoying. While PT23 was ending I put a 1000000 PP big on Ty Cobb. Only to find an hour later someone outbid me with a 1000001 bid. Really??

But it could be much worse. We can go back to the dreadful Auction house from PT past where you get outbid in the final seconds of the auction. That was a horrible system!


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[rburgh]

Do you guys all shop at Nordstrom's instead of Target (or Walmart) because you object to Target and Walmart undercutting the prices of a long-established retailer?

Do you all refuse to change jobs when a higher paying job is available? Or, if you're a union member, do you lobby for your bargaining team to just accept the first offer from the company for your next contract?

And of course none of you have ever walked off a car lot to look for a better deal elsewhere?

Welcome to America!

[ubernoob]

Well we found one of the guys that clearly undercuts by 1 haha.

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by rburgh

Do you guys all shop at Nordstrom's instead of Target (or Walmart) because you object to Target and Walmart undercutting the prices of a long-established retailer?Welcome to America!

To be clear: I would not go to Target if everything there was free.

[Samueltbaum]

Originally Posted by rburgh

Do you guys all shop at Nordstrom's instead of Target (or Walmart) because you object to Target and Walmart undercutting the prices of a long-established retailer?

Do you all refuse to change jobs when a higher paying job is available? Or, if you're a union member, do you lobby for your bargaining team to just accept the first offer from the company for your next contract?

And of course none of you have ever walked off a car lot to look for a better deal elsewhere?

Welcome to America!

I had no quarrel with people saying that the behavior was annoying. I could see how some would think of it as annoying, along with this people are entitled to their opinion. I personally have no issued with people who get the nickname onesies.

My defense mode popped up because they attacked the game and its players...

That said, I think to the questions you presented it would all depend on how much I liked the job, and what I needed to buy and how much money I had.

[the_mad_monk]

Then what is kosher in your opinion? A buy/sell order that is 10 PP more/less? 52 PP more/less? 105 PP more/less? A certain percentage? It's a free market.

[Samueltbaum]

Originally Posted by the_mad_monk

Then what is kosher in your opinion? A buy/sell order that is 10 PP more/less? 52 PP more/less? 105 PP more/less? A certain percentage? It's a free market.

I think there is some post through this thread where they said maybee 100-1000 or 10%, I don't remember and don't want to go through everything again.

They do have a valid opinion, and I don't want to discredit it. But I agree with you that it is a free market.