International League(s) Announcement - Page 3

Cod · 03-21-2023, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pauwoo

We’ll have to give it a try when 24 comes out.

Confirmed. I imported my entire world save from OOTP 23 and the specific league, teams, and players were scrambled.

mcercone · 03-21-2023, 06:17 PM

I believe over time someone will create some mods that you can add to the game when it comes to the logos and colors. It seems as though there is a rather passionate fan base of this game who does work like this.

PSUColonel · 03-21-2023, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mcercone

I believe over time someone will create some mods that you can add to the game when it comes to the logos and colors. It seems as though there is a rather passionate fan base of this game who does work like this.

I wouldn't count my chickens. It cannot be shared here, and therefore is an issue. I have done so, with semi-fictional team names, and certainly you can still use logos and/or uniforms if you like...but you just cannot share them here. So basically, it will be up to each individual to do what they want.

RMc · 03-21-2023, 08:04 PM

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It cannot be shared here, and therefore is an issue.

Why not? Is the Japanese league going to sue or something? (Don't they have better things to do?)

EDIT: Incredibly, the three letter abbreviation (14th, 16th and 2nd letters of the alphabet) for the Japanese league was censored in the original version of this post!

PSUColonel · 03-21-2023, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RMc

Why not? Is the Japanese league going to sue or something? (Don't they have better things to do?)

EDIT: Incredibly, the three letter abbreviation (14th, 16th and 2nd letters of the alphabet) for the Japanese league was censored in the original version of this post!

I think you may be a bit late to the party pal

RMc · 03-22-2023, 08:40 AM

You must be a real riot at parties, bub.

No, I have been following all this nonsense, and, while I understand they can't ship the game with the (horrors!) forbidden data, I can't believe they can forbid people from talking about workaround mods on a public message board. I mean, really?

LansdowneSt · 03-22-2023, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RMc

You must be a real riot at parties, bub.

No, I have been following all this nonsense, and, while I understand they can't ship the game with the (horrors!) forbidden data, I can't believe they can forbid people from talking about workaround mods on a public message board. I mean, really?

It's an OOTPD-owned and maintained forum. So, it's legally a property of the company, so, yes, they can restrict discussions on their forum however they please and esp. if so required by a legally binding requirement upon them or simply because they feel it is in their best interest to do so given all the issues regarding it. Go to actual public forums to discuss any work around as you see fit. Goodness, are we still talking about this?

RMc · 03-22-2023, 09:21 AM

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Goodness, are we still talking about this?

Goodness, yes! Where's that fainting couch now that you really need it?

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they can restrict discussions on their forum however they please

Sounds like I -- and everybody else who really cares about OOTP -- need to go elsewhere.

Sweed · 03-22-2023, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RMc

Why not? Is the Japanese league going to sue or something? (Don't they have better things to do?)

EDIT: Incredibly, the three letter abbreviation (14th, 16th and 2nd letters of the alphabet) for the Japanese league was censored in the original version of this post!

No the J' League isn't going to sue but, the company that owns the rights can, and from what has happened, probably will. The fact that the abbreviation is censored should tell you just how serious both companies are taking the issue.

Maybe I shouldn't say anything (might be breaking a rule and if I am, mods please remove) but one could simply name the fictional league they are creating to something that isn't a real world league. With a little imagination you can have whatever league you want. You and I may not like that, but that is where we are.

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Originally Posted by RMc

Goodness, yes! Where's that fainting couch now that you really need it?

Sounds like I -- and everybody else who really cares about OOTP -- need to go elsewhere.

No it really doesn't sound like that at all. FM also restricts certain topics on their "private company" forums due to licensing they can't get.

Nobody wants you to leave, but if it comes down to that (for any of us) or paying lawyers in a lawsuit that can tank the company? The question answers itself.

Cryomaniac · 03-22-2023, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RMc

You must be a real riot at parties, bub.

No, I have been following all this nonsense, and, while I understand they can't ship the game with the (horrors!) forbidden data, I can't believe they can forbid people from talking about workaround mods on a public message board. I mean, really?

Yeah they can. They can do whatever they like and whatever their lawyers tell them to do.

The Japanese league cannot be discussed here and will never be in the game again.

PSUColonel · 03-22-2023, 12:47 PM

Yes, they can, and did. Basically OOTP is now an MLB game. There’s not really any point in enabling the KBO or WBC tournament without other international leagues. The independent and prospect leagues might be worth it since they are based in the U.S.A. …but really that’s it. Anything outside of this would need to be user created a a major. PITA in my opinion.

Cactusguy21 · 03-22-2023, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Yes, they can, and did. Basically OOTP is now an MLB game. There’s not really any point in enabling the KBO or WBC tournament without other international leagues. The independent and prospect leagues might be worth it since they are based in the U.S.A. …but really that’s it. Anything outside of this would need to be user created a a major. PITA in my opinion.

Some of the int'l leagues are actually still hidden in the fictional league menu. Unfortunately they only included some of them and not all.

Rain King · 03-22-2023, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Yes, they can, and did. Basically OOTP is now an MLB game. There’s not really any point in enabling the KBO or WBC tournament without other international leagues. The independent and prospect leagues might be worth it since they are based in the U.S.A. …but really that’s it. Anything outside of this would need to be user created a a major. PITA in my opinion.

I disagree completely that "OOTP is now an MLB game".

I get many hours each year out of OOTP and rarely play the Standard Game outside of clicking around it a bit when first discovering the new version.

You can still create fictional leagues of essentially any kind you can think of, which has always been the biggest strength of the core game.

PSUColonel · 03-22-2023, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cactusguy21

Some of the int'l leagues are actually still hidden in the fictional league menu. Unfortunately they only included some of them and not all.

I know...and I have templates also...but there are other things that people overlook such as getting finances right, or having schedules to support the leagues. (which change all the time)

It's not as simple as load template > GO. There are a lot of variables in each and every league that are very difficult for the average user to account for. I mean, if you are someone who doesn't want or need everything to be super-accurate, then I suppose that are fine...but if you are looking for the right finances, or the correct schedules, it will be difficult.

PSUColonel · 03-22-2023, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

I disagree completely that "OOTP is now an MLB game".

I get many hours each year out of OOTP and rarely play the Standard Game outside of clicking around it a bit when first discovering the new version.

You can still create fictional leagues of essentially any kind you can think of, which has always been the biggest strength of the core game.

Yes, this is true...I am speaking more about real-world leagues than historical or fictional. (although historical is basically MLB also).

ashantewarrier · 03-22-2023, 03:35 PM

There’s a pretty good fictional Japanese template with fictional uni’s in the mode section.

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Ktulu · 03-22-2023, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I know...and I have templates also...but there are other things that people overlook such as getting finances right, or having schedules to support the leagues. (which change all the time)

It's not as simple as load template > GO. There are a lot of variables in each and every league that are very difficult for the average user to account for. I mean, if you are someone who doesn't want or need everything to be super-accurate, then I suppose that are fine...but if you are looking for the right finances, or the correct schedules, it will be difficult.

This is all pretty easy to do. All the settings are easy to look up, the old schedules still exist and using templates isn't that complicated. It's just a bit of manual labor... a trivial amount in comparison to creating a fictional universe.

PSUColonel · 03-22-2023, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ktulu

This is all pretty easy to do. All the settings are easy to look up, the old schedules still exist and using templates isn't that complicated. It's just a bit of manual labor... a trivial amount in comparison to creating a fictional universe.

well lets's take the CPBL for instance...it is now a 6 team league (up one form 5) and plays a typical 5 game series. Schedules for this are going to be very difficult to find. So basically anything that changes or is new is potentially an issue with schedules.

I don't even necessarily care about accurate players...it's more the leagues, teams, finances, roster rules and so forth that I really would like to always have right.

I am also not into endless testing to see if teams' run out of money or not..or if player demands are too high because teams' have too much money...or other issues...it's just exhausting.

Ktulu · 03-22-2023, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

well lets's take the CPBL for instance...it is now a 6 team league (up one form 5) and plays a typical 5 game series. Schedules for this are going to be very difficult to find. So basically anything that changes or is new is potentially an issue with schedules.

I don't even necessarily care about accurate players...it's more the leagues, teams, finances, roster rules and so forth that I really would like to always have right.

I am also not into endless testing to see if teams' run out of money or not..or if player demands are too high because teams' have too much money...or other issues...it's just exhausting.

Can't you just load up the leagues in a previous version of OOTP and use those settings? Same goes for the schedules, they're still there. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like you can generate a template from real world leagues, so there's a bit of manual labor involved.

I know everyone likes different things, but I can't imagine the details of the CPBL schedule to be absolutely critical as long as there's a reasonable facsimile of the league. The OOTP schedule generator sucks, but at least you can still have a functional league.

Cod · 03-22-2023, 06:03 PM

All other international leagues from OOTP23 import without issue. A few leagues lost their logo in the process, but those were easy to replace.

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ashantewarrier Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somerset, NJ via Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,310	There’s a pretty good fictional Japanese template with fictional uni’s in the mode section. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ "I'm not concerned with your liking or disliking me... All I ask is that you respect me as a human being." -Jackie Robinson, #42 Brooklyn Dodgers *"Hitting is better than sex."* - Reggie Jackson

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Cod All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 1,178	All other international leagues from OOTP23 import without issue. A few leagues lost their logo in the process, but those were easy to replace. Last edited by Cod; 03-22-2023 at 06:08 PM.

03-21-2023, 06:17 PM	#42
mcercone Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 98	I believe over time someone will create some mods that you can add to the game when it comes to the logos and colors. It seems as though there is a rather passionate fan base of this game who does work like this.

03-22-2023, 12:47 PM	#51
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,143	Yes, they can, and did. Basically OOTP is now an MLB game. There’s not really any point in enabling the KBO or WBC tournament without other international leagues. The independent and prospect leagues might be worth it since they are based in the U.S.A. …but really that’s it. Anything outside of this would need to be user created a a major. PITA in my opinion.