Old-timey Baseball Logos and a League, Anyone? (likely ongoing) - Page 3

tm1681 · 08-10-2022, 01:37 PM

I'm now in the 1881-82 offseason in my fictional universe and since in the real-life 1882 the American Association was formed, we have new leagues. These leagues will be based in the Midwestern United states, and there are three of them: one "major" league, and two semi-pro independent leagues.

[NOTE: for clubs in all three leagues, I fudged founding dates using years that real-life teams were first founded in their cities using the same source that I did for the previous leagues: the Spread of Baseball link at the Major League Baseball website.]

First up, the "major" league: the Midwestern Baseball Association, which consists of ten teams from the eight largest cities in the Midwestern United States - all having 75,000+ residents - as of the start of the 1880s.

PRIMARY LOGOS

SECONDARY LOGOS

JERSEYS

tm1681 · 08-10-2022, 01:43 PM

The second league is the GREAT LAKES BASEBALL CONFERENCE, which consists mostly of cities in states bordering the Great Lakes that had 25,000+ residents at the start of the 1880s, with Duluth tacked on to make it an even ten.

[NOTE: to be in this league, I decided that only cities/towns in N/NE Wisconsin and Northern Illinois and not the whole state would qualify]

PRIMARY LOGOS

SECONDARY LOGOS

JERSEYS

tm1681 · 08-10-2022, 01:49 PM

The final league is the PRAIRIE LEAGUE, which has ten clubs in ten cities across the prairie regions of the Midwestern United states. There are some modern metropolises in the mix, but at the time places like Kansas City, Minneapolis, and St. Paul weren't that big. However, those regions would see population spikes of 125-275% over the decade of the 1880s. For instance, Minneapolis saw its population rise 251% from the 1880 census (46,887) to the 1890 census (164,738).

PRIMARY LOGOS

SECONDARY LOGOS

JERSEYS

tm1681 · 08-10-2022, 01:52 PM

I decided not to use the OOTP23 jersey format because, after taking some looks at it, I decided that it's still a little too vague-looking in some areas to attempt to successfully move over elements from previous jersey templates - I use Silvam's (spelling?) - so for now the previous format will have to do.

Leion · 08-11-2022, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tm1681

Haven't gotten it working yet. There are things I have to pare down once again, and thanks to life - new remote job, a month of coronavirus in my entire family (fun times!) - I haven't had the chance to do it and test it.

All good, sorry to hear, that is quite unfortunate. Hope you are doing a lot better now.

tm1681 · 09-18-2022, 12:07 PM

Had to focus on a new job over the last month but we're now into the 1884 season, which saw four teams move into the APBL and thus four teams added to the NBBO. They look as follows...

Bottom Of The Sixth · 09-18-2022, 02:55 PM

Great Work tm1681!!!!

The images that you include in your logos are top-notch and 99% of them I have never seen before!

Great job on locating those images and for putting alot of time and thought into your work, as it shows!

Keep up the great work!

tm1681 · 10-12-2022, 05:32 PM

Going into 1885, and another new league begins: the Southeastern & Atlantic League of Baseball, a.k.a. the SEAL league.

Here are the primary logos:

tm1681 · 10-12-2022, 05:35 PM

And here are the secondary logos:

tm1681 · 10-27-2022, 10:35 AM

Forgot to post these, but here are the uniforms for the "SEAL" league:

tm1681 · 10-27-2022, 12:00 PM

I just finished the inaugural season of the SEAL league, and it was real interesting...

RMc · 11-03-2022, 06:56 PM

(see above)

Bottom Of The Sixth · 11-05-2022, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tm1681

I just finished the inaugural season of the SEAL league, and it was real interesting...

That sure made for an exciting finish as it looks like all but one were very evenly matched and basically anyone could have won it!

Congratulations!

tm1681 · 11-26-2022, 02:10 PM

On to 1890 in my fictional universe, where the original NBBO splits into separate leagues and the NBBO itself becomes an association.

Here's how things stand. First, the two associations:

THE AMERICAN BASEBALL ASSOCIATION - covers the two main professional leagues...

The American Professional Baseball League (APBL - Northeast US)
The Midwestern Baseball Association (MWBA - Midwestern US)

THE NATIONAL BASEBALL ORGANIZATION - was the original competition (1857), but now covers the following...

The New York League (NYL - the premier semi-pro league)
The Prairie League (PL)
The Great Lakes Baseball Conference (GLBC)
The New England Baseball Association (NEBA)
The Northeastern League (NEL)

tm1681 · 11-26-2022, 02:19 PM

Next up, the first professional league: the APBL. Here's how it looks in 1890.

For all collages, primary logos are on top and secondary logos are on bottom

APBL Colonial Conference

APBL Metropolitan Conference

The APBL has been in the same state since 1884, when four teams - Baltimore, Jersey City, Providence, & Washington - entered the league from the semi-professional ranks.

tm1681 · 11-26-2022, 02:21 PM

Next is the other main professional league, the MWBA. It has 14 teams to the APBL's 16, but all 14 teams are in one division in this league.

MWBA Primary Logos

MWBA Secondary Logos

Previously in the thread, you'll see that the MWBA originally had 10 teams. That's because those were the large cities in the Midwestern US as of 1880. By 1890 (in real life) the cities of Kansas City, Minneapolis, Omaha, and St. Paul had all more than doubled in size to over 100,000 each, which meant they were more than big enough to have professional-sized venues.

tm1681 · 11-26-2022, 02:22 PM

Third is the other full-time league, but it's a professional league that doesn't have the markets of the first two and thus doesn't have the same reputation and isn't part of the ABA.

The Southeastern & Atlantic League (SEAL)

The league originally started with six clubs - Atlanta, Charleston, Memphis, Nashville, Richmond, & Savannah - but two were added ahead of the 1890 season. Evansville, located in far southern Indiana, joined after eight years in the GLBC, while Old Dominion started up after the Chesapeake area grew quickly over the previous decade.

tm1681 · 11-26-2022, 02:37 PM

Next up, the first part of what is now the association-level NBBO: the New York League, which is made up of the NBBO's former Brooklyn and New York City championship divisions.

NYL Brooklyn Championship logos

NYL New York City Championship logos

tm1681 · 11-26-2022, 02:45 PM

Next is the Great Lakes Baseball Conference, one of the two semi-pro leagues outside of the Northeastern US.

Great Lakes Baseball Conference logos

The league started with ten teams, and it still has ten even though Evansville left. They were replaced by the Erie Lakers, formerly of the NBBO's Inland Championship.

tm1681 · 11-26-2022, 02:54 PM

Next is the semi-pro league covering the Midwestern United States, the Prairie League.

Prairie League logos

After four of the founding members - Kansas City, Minneapolis, Omaha, & St. Paul - left for the MWBA once they became too big for semi-pro ball, four clubs jumped in to replace them. Two - Council Bluffs & Davenport - are based in Iowa, while one - Kansas - is on the other side of the border from the Kansas City Bulls and the other is based in the south of Missouri.

Council Bluffs has its name because, in real life, it was designated by President Lincoln as the official starting point of the Transcontinental Railroad (link), and in the present day it's home to the Union Pacific Railroad Museum.

Davenport's team has its name because it's located on the border of Iowa and Illinois along the Mississippi River (link)

Kansas has the Blue Stockings name because in real life Kansas City, albeit the Kansas City in Missouri, was home to a late-1800s minor league named the Blues (link)

Southern Missouri has its team name because the team's base of Springfield, MO is known as the "Queen City of the Ozarks" (link)

08-10-2022, 01:37 PM	#41
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	I'm now in the 1881-82 offseason in my fictional universe and since in the real-life 1882 the American Association was formed, we have new leagues. These leagues will be based in the Midwestern United states, and there are three of them: one "major" league, and two semi-pro independent leagues. [NOTE: for clubs in all three leagues, I fudged founding dates using years that real-life teams were first founded in their cities using the same source that I did for the previous leagues: the Spread of Baseball link at the Major League Baseball website.] First up, the "major" league: the Midwestern Baseball Association, which consists of ten teams from the eight largest cities in the Midwestern United States - all having 75,000+ residents - as of the start of the 1880s. PRIMARY LOGOS SECONDARY LOGOS JERSEYS Last edited by tm1681; 08-10-2022 at 01:53 PM.

08-10-2022, 01:43 PM	#42
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	The second league is the GREAT LAKES BASEBALL CONFERENCE, which consists mostly of cities in states bordering the Great Lakes that had 25,000+ residents at the start of the 1880s, with Duluth tacked on to make it an even ten. [NOTE: to be in this league, I decided that only cities/towns in N/NE Wisconsin and Northern Illinois and not the whole state would qualify] PRIMARY LOGOS SECONDARY LOGOS JERSEYS Last edited by tm1681; 08-10-2022 at 04:13 PM.

10-12-2022, 05:32 PM	#48
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	Going into 1885, and another new league begins: the Southeastern & Atlantic League of Baseball, a.k.a. the SEAL league. Here are the primary logos: Last edited by tm1681; 10-12-2022 at 05:34 PM.

10-27-2022, 12:00 PM	#51
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	I just finished the inaugural season of the SEAL league, and it was real interesting... Attached Images

11-03-2022, 06:56 PM	#52
RMc All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,560	Any chance of a quickstart, boss? (see above) __________________ "We're all behind our baseball team..."

08-10-2022, 01:49 PM	#43
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	The final league is the PRAIRIE LEAGUE, which has ten clubs in ten cities across the prairie regions of the Midwestern United states. There are some modern metropolises in the mix, but at the time places like Kansas City, Minneapolis, and St. Paul weren't that big. However, those regions would see population spikes of 125-275% over the decade of the 1880s. For instance, Minneapolis saw its population rise 251% from the 1880 census (46,887) to the 1890 census (164,738). PRIMARY LOGOS SECONDARY LOGOS JERSEYS

08-10-2022, 01:52 PM	#44
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	I decided not to use the OOTP23 jersey format because, after taking some looks at it, I decided that it's still a little too vague-looking in some areas to attempt to successfully move over elements from previous jersey templates - I use Silvam's (spelling?) - so for now the previous format will have to do.

09-18-2022, 12:07 PM	#46
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	Had to focus on a new job over the last month but we're now into the 1884 season, which saw four teams move into the APBL and thus four teams added to the NBBO. They look as follows...

09-18-2022, 02:55 PM	#47
Bottom Of The Sixth All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of Lincoln Posts: 1,254	Great Work tm1681!!!! The images that you include in your logos are top-notch and 99% of them I have never seen before! Great job on locating those images and for putting alot of time and thought into your work, as it shows! Keep up the great work!

10-12-2022, 05:35 PM	#49
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	And here are the secondary logos:

10-27-2022, 10:35 AM	#50
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	Forgot to post these, but here are the uniforms for the "SEAL" league:

11-26-2022, 02:10 PM	#54
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	On to 1890 in my fictional universe, where the original NBBO splits into separate leagues and the NBBO itself becomes an association. Here's how things stand. First, the two associations: THE AMERICAN BASEBALL ASSOCIATION - covers the two main professional leagues... The American Professional Baseball League (APBL - Northeast US) The Midwestern Baseball Association (MWBA - Midwestern US) THE NATIONAL BASEBALL ORGANIZATION - was the original competition (1857), but now covers the following... The New York League (NYL - the premier semi-pro league) The Prairie League (PL) The Great Lakes Baseball Conference (GLBC) The New England Baseball Association (NEBA) The Northeastern League (NEL) Last edited by tm1681; 11-26-2022 at 02:24 PM.

11-26-2022, 02:19 PM	#55
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	Next up, the first professional league: the APBL. Here's how it looks in 1890. For all collages, primary logos are on top and secondary logos are on bottom APBL Colonial Conference APBL Metropolitan Conference The APBL has been in the same state since 1884, when four teams - Baltimore, Jersey City, Providence, & Washington - entered the league from the semi-professional ranks. Last edited by tm1681; 11-26-2022 at 02:24 PM.

11-26-2022, 02:21 PM	#56
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	Next is the other main professional league, the MWBA. It has 14 teams to the APBL's 16, but all 14 teams are in one division in this league. MWBA Primary Logos MWBA Secondary Logos Previously in the thread, you'll see that the MWBA originally had 10 teams. That's because those were the large cities in the Midwestern US as of 1880. By 1890 (in real life) the cities of Kansas City, Minneapolis, Omaha, and St. Paul had all more than doubled in size to over 100,000 each, which meant they were more than big enough to have professional-sized venues. Last edited by tm1681; 11-26-2022 at 02:27 PM.

11-26-2022, 02:22 PM	#57
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	Third is the other full-time league, but it's a professional league that doesn't have the markets of the first two and thus doesn't have the same reputation and isn't part of the ABA. The Southeastern & Atlantic League (SEAL) The league originally started with six clubs - Atlanta, Charleston, Memphis, Nashville, Richmond, & Savannah - but two were added ahead of the 1890 season. Evansville, located in far southern Indiana, joined after eight years in the GLBC, while Old Dominion started up after the Chesapeake area grew quickly over the previous decade. Last edited by tm1681; 11-26-2022 at 02:29 PM.

11-26-2022, 02:37 PM	#58
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	Next up, the first part of what is now the association-level NBBO: the New York League, which is made up of the NBBO's former Brooklyn and New York City championship divisions. NYL Brooklyn Championship logos NYL New York City Championship logos

11-26-2022, 02:45 PM	#59
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	Next is the Great Lakes Baseball Conference, one of the two semi-pro leagues outside of the Northeastern US. Great Lakes Baseball Conference logos The league started with ten teams, and it still has ten even though Evansville left. They were replaced by the Erie Lakers, formerly of the NBBO's Inland Championship.

11-26-2022, 02:54 PM	#60
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,050	Next is the semi-pro league covering the Midwestern United States, the Prairie League. Prairie League logos After four of the founding members - Kansas City, Minneapolis, Omaha, & St. Paul - left for the MWBA once they became too big for semi-pro ball, four clubs jumped in to replace them. Two - Council Bluffs & Davenport - are based in Iowa, while one - Kansas - is on the other side of the border from the Kansas City Bulls and the other is based in the south of Missouri. Council Bluffs has its name because, in real life, it was designated by President Lincoln as the official starting point of the Transcontinental Railroad (link), and in the present day it's home to the Union Pacific Railroad Museum. Davenport's team has its name because it's located on the border of Iowa and Illinois along the Mississippi River (link) Kansas has the Blue Stockings name because in real life Kansas City, albeit the Kansas City in Missouri, was home to a late-1800s minor league named the Blues (link) Southern Missouri has its team name because the team's base of Springfield, MO is known as the "Queen City of the Ozarks" (link) Last edited by tm1681; 11-27-2022 at 05:11 AM.