Blake Snell

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Brad K

He was really really really underpaid last year.

Yes he was. So was Flaherty for the Cardinals. The players AGREED to this, to limit the monies paid to players with less than a certain number of years.

This is to free up more money for the veterans, and Snell, and everyone else agreed to this.

So...teams should be able, and have, to early-sign their stars for a multi-year contract. Baking in a few more expensive years, to get more years out of them.

Contrary to what is believed, ages 31-34 are not the prime years of a players performance. Age 27 is statistically the best. With most players getting to the majors in their early to mid '20's, five years before the slow decline phase is about right..unless you are a truly special player.

Snell had a **** year last year. Get rid of his Cy Young year, and he has a lifetime losing record.

[dkgo]

He didn't really agree to it, it's been part of the CBA since well before he was in the league.

But you just cited pitcher win-loss record as a useful statistic so clearly anything you say can be safely ignored. 3.32 FIP last season was fifth best in the AL.

[madjac74]

I actually didn't even know he was a player. I'd be fine if he didn't get paid and disappeared from the league

in fact, bryce harper can disappear with him

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

Yes he was. So was Flaherty for the Cardinals. The players AGREED to this, to limit the monies paid to players with less than a certain number of years.

This is to free up more money for the veterans, and Snell, and everyone else agreed to this.

So...teams should be able, and have, to early-sign their stars for a multi-year contract. Baking in a few more expensive years, to get more years out of them.

Contrary to what is believed, ages 31-34 are not the prime years of a players performance. Age 27 is statistically the best. With most players getting to the majors in their early to mid '20's, five years before the slow decline phase is about right..unless you are a truly special player.

Snell had a **** year last year. Get rid of his Cy Young year, and he has a lifetime losing record.

Ah, so Harrison Bader's only a couple years away from becoming Mickey Mantle then.

[Cynical]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Sure. Do we have evidence of sign stealing, or other forms of "cheating" (quotation marks because teams routinely steal signs on the field of play, but not with video) though?

Multiple members of the Yankees organization admitted to doing the same thing on TV, and the article in The Athletic that blew the whole thing up also fingered the Rangers, A's, and Twins as being particularly notorious using cameras to steal signs. So, yes, we do have evidence of it; the Astros were made to take the fall as a punishment for the low ratings of the 2019 World Series. MLB won't stand for small-market teams making it to the championship and hurting that sweet TV revenue.

[TheMaus2]

Astros were the most brazen about it, and they were just setting themselves up to be hated on anyway... *coughs* the whole Osuna situation. also: houston is a small market?? til

[Cynical]

Compared to the "golden boy" teams the league will protect at any costs (Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Cubs -- half of whom were implicated for cheating using the same methods as the Astros, one of whom went completely unpunished, and another of whom was punished much more lightly), yes, the Astros are quite small market.

[Hrycaj]

I was pretty upset with the Astros for a while but over the last few months I am beginning to feel like they are being made out as scapegoats to a large degree. One thing I have noticed watching old ballgames during the pandemic was that none of this is as current as what I originally thought. For instance. It was either the last game at Tiger Stadium or the first one at Comerica (1999 or 2000) where the announces on the broadcast were talking about a camera system in place that the White Sox were using at the time. They had no problem talking and kinda laughing it off during the live play by play which gave me the impression that this was something well known. Then you have Jack McDowell talking about what LaRussa was doing in the 80’s to sign steal. I’m sure if anyone cared to do more digging they could find much more than these two examples. The league did go after Houston pretty hard in relation to what the Red Sox penalties were. I think cynical was right when he said the league will protect the “golden boy” teams just like the NCAA will protect Duke no matter how much money Coach K gave Zion to play there.

[TheGamer38]

The union should be lauded for offering to play for a pro-rated salary, but ownership asking for a 50/50 revenue split is hilarious. Here, you 1000 guys who are the ones generating all of the league's revenue take this half, and the 30 of us will take the other half.auto clicker

[cephasjames]

It's 780 spots on the teams, not 1000. That plus 30 owners is 810. Do you think the revenue should be split evenly, equal shares for all 810 people? What's your proposal?

[Westheim]

Since 780 of the 810 shoulder no costs whatsoever, surely not.

[dkgo]

Except for the cost of actually performing the work that generates the revenue

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Westheim

Since 780 of the 810 shoulder no costs whatsoever, surely not.

Since 780 of the 810 provide the product without which there would be no profit, 50/50 seems more than generous to the owners

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by dkgo

Except for the cost of actually performing the work that generates the revenue

You can do your absolute worst, and you still make $500k (in a normal season) and small change for the league minimum. Looks like that work is handsomely compensated.

Before this begins to spiral again. No, I am not siding with the billionaires. I am not siding with the millionaires. I am siding with baseball and everybody getting their **** together.

[bertha]

Originally Posted by Bobbyraz49

I just read the article. He brings up a fair point regarding player safety. However...he didn't need to inform the public.
The Rays should tell him he's out for the season yet another year gets added to his contract.
IMO... nit certain I like the idea of them playing at all this season.
Let's say the season starts, they play a few games, and a star player Trout/Harper/Betts, etc. becomes infected. Does the entire team get quarantined ? What about the teams that the recently played? The umps etc.
Scary times. Be safe....Bob in Buffalo

very nice

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Westheim

You can do your absolute worst, and you still make $500k (in a normal season) and small change for the league minimum. Looks like that work is handsomely compensated.

The owners can do absolutely nothing, and make 100's of times that

That's not even work and it's very well compensated