U.S. Supreme Court tosses sports gambling ban

[Déjà Bru]

This leads to a "hmmm" moment. So, is the dividing line as follows: It's okay to bet on sports; it's okay to bet on your sport; it's okay to bet on your league; but it's NOT okay to bet on your team, one way or the other?

(This is what continues to sink Pete Rose.)

If so, good luck to those experts that I mentioned, filtering all the betting that could lead up to $1.5 million in gambling debt to find the instances where one bet on his own team. They are going to need to be good at their jobs.

[Boomcoach]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

This leads to a "hmmm" moment. So, is the dividing line as follows: It's okay to bet on sports; it's okay to bet on your sport; it's okay to bet on your league; but it's NOT okay to bet on your team, one way or the other?

(This is what continues to sink Pete Rose.)

Every clubhouse door Pete entered from the minors onwards had a notice that:

(d) GAMBLING.
(1) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform, shall be declared ineligible for one year.
(2) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared permanently ineligible.

[billyray1984]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

This leads to a "hmmm" moment. So, is the dividing line as follows: It's okay to bet on sports; it's okay to bet on your sport; it's okay to bet on your league; but it's NOT okay to bet on your team, one way or the other?

(This is what continues to sink Pete Rose.)

If so, good luck to those experts that I mentioned, filtering all the betting that could lead up to $1.5 million in gambling debt to find the instances where one bet on his own team. They are going to need to be good at their jobs.

It was never okay for any baseball player or manager to bet on their own games or on other games. The Supreme Court decision changed nothing.

So yes, it's okay for Joe Schmoe to bet on baseball all they want since they have no influence on the outcome and no it's not okay for a player to do the same.

Now, with that being said, I could do without MLB, NHL, NFL and al. embracing gambling (it's just not good optics, but that's personal bias), but I guess the money is too good to pass up.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

This leads to a "hmmm" moment. So, is the dividing line as follows: It's okay to bet on sports; it's okay to bet on your sport; it's okay to bet on your league; but it's NOT okay to bet on your team, one way or the other?

(This is what continues to sink Pete Rose.)

If so, good luck to those experts that I mentioned, filtering all the betting that could lead up to $1.5 million in gambling debt to find the instances where one bet on his own team. They are going to need to be good at their jobs.

I agree with what you said.

I may be the only person I know that read the entire 1100 page Dowd Report on Pete Rose.

Anyone that believes that he needs to go into the HoF needs to read this report.

[jumpSeat]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

As usual, I am of two (or more) minds about this issue as with many others. Usually, I end up like this:

(I realize this is a really old thread, but it was just bumped today, so first time seeing it for me).

Nothing wrong with the quote. It's healthy to be able to see both sides of any given debate and then weigh the merits of the individual arguments without the bias of preconception. (At least as unbiased as we can be). It's very liberating not to have an ideological axe to grind. And a real shame more people don't try it.

[Déjà Bru]

The phrase "tip of the iceberg" comes to mind.



Atlanta Falcons receiver Calvin Ridley was suspended for at least the entire 2022 season for gambling on N.F.L. games last year, one of the harshest penalties a major American sports league has doled out since the N.F.L. rushed to embrace an expansion of legalized wagering on games.

[Déjà Bru]

This was interesting:

Ridley placed three parlay bets between Nov. 23 and Nov. 28 on the Hard Rock Sportsbook mobile app while he was in Florida, according to a person with knowledge of the matter who was not authorized to speak publicly. Genius Sports, which monitors sports betting data for the league, alerted the N.F.L. that a player might be behind those bets. The N.F.L.’s investigation found that Ridley’s bets included a wager on the Falcons to win.

First, this is not too egregious (yet) in that Ridley was not with the Falcons when he bet on them. And he bet on them to win.

But the really interesting thing is the Genius Sports aspect. This is actually a company that can monitor sports betting and know who is behind each bet? To the extent that works and leagues engage such technology, it makes me feel a bit better.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

To the extent that works and leagues engage such technology, it makes me feel a bit better.

Agree, from a sports integrity perspective. But... to the degree that if leagues can engage such technology, then who else can, and not just on gambling? perspective... well, that gives me pause.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by thehef

Agree, from a sports integrity perspective. But... to the degree that if leagues can engage such technology, then who else can, and not just on gambling? perspective... well, that gives me pause.

Yeah, 'cuz your employer, or your prospective employer, could purchase the same technology, for example.

[GeoWar]

This is not the first time the NFL has suspended players for gambling on games ... first I remember was Alex Karras (sp) of Detroit and Paul Horning of Green Bay in the 60's.

But "Big Brother" is always watching.

[rudel.dietrich]

It is worked into every professional athletes 'morals clause', every training camp they devote time to it, every draft classes new player orientation has time devoted to it.
You do not gamble on sports and you certainly don't bet on your own sport.

Yes, the leagues make loads of money off their associations with gambling corporations. But the players are well compensated.
The competitive integrity of sport is one of the defining aspects of sports.

Once fans get even the hint that something they are watching is not on the 'up and up' it is almost impossible to get that trust back.
Then it turns into WWE

I usually side with players, but I have next to no sympathy for Ridley

[snarls200]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

It is worked into every professional athletes 'morals clause', every training camp they devote time to it, every draft classes new player orientation has time devoted to it.
You do not gamble on sports and you certainly don't bet on your own sport.

Yes, the leagues make loads of money off their associations with gambling corporations. But the players are well compensated.
The competitive integrity of sport is one of the defining aspects of sports.

Once fans get even the hint that something they are watching is not on the 'up and up' it is almost impossible to get that trust back.
Then it turns into WWE

I usually side with players, but I have next to no sympathy for Ridley

From what I can tell the leagues generally don't ban legal betting on other sports. They tend to only ban on betting on games of their league if not the sport in general.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by snarls200

From what I can tell the leagues generally don't ban legal betting on other sports. They tend to only ban on betting on games of their league if not the sport in general.

MJ had such a massive gambling problem that the NBA told him to take a year off.

[snarls200]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

MJ had such a massive gambling problem that the NBA told him to take a year off.

That was also after sports betting was banned in all but 4 states

[KylieH1]

Right

[KylieH1]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

The phrase "tip of the iceberg" comes to mind.

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Atlanta Falcons receiver Calvin Ridley was suspended for at least the entire 2022 season for gambling on N.F.L. games last year, one of the harshest penalties a major American sports league has doled out since the N.F.L. rushed to embrace an expansion of legalized wagering on games.

Nothing was altered by the Supreme Court's ruling. Therefore, since Joe Schmoe has no control over the outcome, it is acceptable for him to wager on baseball as much as he wants. However, a player is not permitted to do the same

[Déjà Bru]

Well, this stinks. Money begets power and more money. Your government at work.

Cigars, Booze, Money: How a Lobbying Blitz Made Sports Betting Ubiquitous

The gambling industry and its allies got their way with lawmakers after showering them with donations, gifts and dubious arguments.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/20/b...smid=share-url

Gift article; available 14 days; does not count toward your allotment of free articles.

[Déjà Bru]

And if you are not exhausted from reading that long article, here's another one to get worked up about:

How Colleges and Sports-Betting Companies ‘Caesarized’ Campus Life

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/20/b...smid=share-url

So, you are a proud parent who has sent their 18-year-old student to Michigan State. Here is one of the messages he or she will absorb:



I've reached my disgust level for one day. I will leave you with this thought: Why is it that we as a people are too stupid to learn from the past? Why are we in such extreme pursuit of ultimate pleasure all the time to the exclusion of common sense?

Gift article; available 14 days; does not count toward your allotment of free articles.

[dsvitak]

I see The Chuckster shilling for one of these large gambling sites.

This is sad, and more sad. Barkley spent 15 million dollars gambling..and now he is promoting it?

[Amazin69]

I'm most disgusted by Wayne Gretzky's involvement. Not because I consider him a great human being, but because he's the "face" of his sport in ways no one else is. One would hope he took that legacy more seriously.

As somebody who blew through a good $25,000 or so (about ~$100K, nowadays) in my 20s on this, this makes me very twitchy. I had some wonderful experiences along the way (and some "bad beats" that I actually treasure the memory of…ask me about Rams-Vikings 1989…), but I could barely spell "money management", much less practice it.

Remember, your limbic system (the part of the brain that considers long-term consequences) isn't fully developed until age 23. That's why crime rates drop once the population turns 25. So I ended up having that one Sunday in 1990 when I went 10-for-10 on baseball games…and I was still so far behind at that point that my major response was that "I should have made a parlay". (Obviously not, parlays that size are ridiculous bets, which is why I didn't do them. But I couldn't stop that thought from going through my addicted brain.)

Ironically enough, my best sport turned out to be hockey, the one I knew the least about at the time. So that's part of why I'm miffed at Gretz, I suppose.

I wonder if Budweiser is allowed to buy that sort of signage at Michigan State? How about pot shops? Hypocrites.

Thanks for the article, Bru.