Simming ahead as commish - Page 3

GoPedro99 · 01-09-2017, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cy Young

And this guy is back in the NOBA League with his old team and even made a Trade tonight...it made me sick how he was acting like nothing even happened and he is still not willing to admit that this is a form of cheating regardless of what his intentions were...he is calling it a mistake in judgement and being impatient.
Its one excuse after another...and he may be a nice guy but u cant call cheating something else just because its sexier.

Im sure his defense will be to attack me instead of owning up to what he did. He will call me a hot head and say i blew my stack and over reacted, but i watched and waited for 2 days before saying a word about it.
His flip teenage attitude set me off so i did explode and dropped the league. I guess when i see a cheater maybe i do tend to blow my stack and over react...if its even possible to OVER react to a cheater.

The first mention of him coming back was on Thursday and had a 1 yr suspension before he could resume as a GM...ironically it was me that said that was probably over kill...if you're gonna bring him back then just bring him back now.

Maybe some day this guy will grow up and learn how to take responsibility for what he did...even if it is as bad as cheating in an online fake baseball league.

He has owned up to it. Multiple times. Also. You seemed to be the only one in the league who had a true problem with him after he was reinstated.

jDaveMc1984 · 01-09-2017, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cy Young

And this guy is back in the NOBA League with his old team and even made a Trade tonight...it made me sick how he was acting like nothing even happened and he is still not willing to admit that this is a form of cheating regardless of what his intentions were...he is calling it a mistake in judgement and being impatient.
Its one excuse after another...and he may be a nice guy but u cant call cheating something else just because its sexier.

Im sure his defense will be to attack me instead of owning up to what he did. He will call me a hot head and say i blew my stack and over reacted, but i watched and waited for 2 days before saying a word about it.
His flip teenage attitude set me off so i did explode and dropped the league. I guess when i see a cheater maybe i do tend to blow my stack and over react...if its even possible to OVER react to a cheater.

The first mention of him coming back was on Thursday and had a 1 yr suspension before he could resume as a GM...ironically it was me that said that was probably over kill...if you're gonna bring him back then just bring him back now.

Maybe some day this guy will grow up and learn how to take responsibility for what he did...even if it is as bad as cheating in an online fake baseball league.

Thanks for your opinions, Cy. You've obviously overlooked my posts here. No big deal. Have fun in your other leagues.

TheMaus2 · 01-09-2017, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GoPedro99

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You're missing [/QUOTE] over there.

Cy Young · 01-12-2017, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GoPedro99

He has owned up to it. Multiple times. Also. You seemed to be the only one in the league who had a true problem with him after he was reinstated.

Which is why I left

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Originally Posted by jDaveMc1984

Thanks for your opinions, Cy. You've obviously overlooked my posts here. No big deal. Have fun in your other leagues.

Could you point out exactly which of your posts where you acknowledge that what you did was cheating?
All I see is a lot of excuses trying to make it into anything else.

Why the rush to get a league you can sim again?
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...g-all-gms.html

MrBojangles · 01-15-2017, 03:43 PM

Setting aside the argument of whether this is cheating or not, wouldn't this strategy take some of the mystery out of the game?
Isn't the mystery of the unknown one of the great attractions of baseball? That ever-optimistic "there's always next year" hope is what keeps so many of us coming back, both IRL and in our OOTP games.

TheMaus2 · 01-18-2017, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBojangles

Setting aside the argument of whether this is cheating or not, wouldn't this strategy take some of the mystery out of the game?
Isn't the mystery of the unknown one of the great attractions of baseball? That ever-optimistic "there's always next year" hope is what keeps so many of us coming back, both IRL and in our OOTP games.

Yes, it's this.

JCarter93 · 01-29-2017, 11:51 AM

I think if you do anything as a commish that gives you an advantage over other players, then it's cheating.

jDaveMc1984 · 02-06-2017, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cy Young

Which is why I left

Could you point out exactly which of your posts where you acknowledge that what you did was cheating?
All I see is a lot of excuses trying to make it into anything else.

Why the rush to get a league you can sim again?
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...g-all-gms.html

I can't change what you see/don't see, Cy.

And I started NAABA with the intention of trying out my idea for Arena Baseball, so far we're through the middle of May with the league leader in homers having 35 on pace for ~120! Should be a really fun league once we expand!

I can't blame you for thinking it as another avenue for cheating, when I've said time and time again that it was a stupid mistake on my part.

Once again, have fun in your other leagues, bud.

USF · 02-12-2017, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JCarter93

I think if you do anything as a commish that gives you an advantage over other players, then it's cheating.

Just as important to this sentence is the disclaimer he did it without notifying the league of his intentions. I feel if he would have asked the league hey this is my idea and what I was planning to do guys what do you think? I think the entire situation would have been handled differently.

ace1914 · 02-12-2017, 10:14 AM

I was in a league where the commish did this. It also led to him editing his players and possibly destroying other owners players by editing players. Nearly destroyed a league that his been around for 7 or so years.

It is clearly cheating.

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Scott Vibert · 02-12-2017, 10:29 AM

In the end my #1 rule to online leagues, if you don't trust the league commish, it's time to move on.

With respect to the question at hand.. if you are simming ahead (something the rest of the league doesn't have the ability to do) that's unfair. You could argue it's ok, if you announce it AND provide the sim results to all owners, but anytime you're doing something that the other owners can't it enters that grey area and starts to erode that trust that's necessary for GMs (see rule #1).

Sure no sim is ever the same results wise, but they should regress towards mean, and it also gives you a leg up on which players will continue to gain talent, those whose performance decline may actually be a true loss of ratings (even if you aren't looking for this in the editor)... there is a lot of information available beyond just the stats that are produced and again, if it's something you're doing without prior notice and that your GMs can't it hits that spot where you start to cost yourself the trust of the other GMs.

And as you note absolutely you could be using the editor... this is the key point of why it's important for your GMs to trust you, as you do physically have the power to change the fortunes of your own team and players. If GMs can't trust that you aren't doing this, then it's hard for them to feel good about remaining in the league. Commish's typically are more invested in terms of time and energy in the league they run, they do a lot of work to keep things fun for all of the owners, this level of investment often leads to the commissioners team being pretty good naturally without anymore of a needed advantage, whether it be simming ahead or outright cheating.

coljesep · 02-12-2017, 04:39 PM

To me - if you're against the idea of simming ahead, then you should be against a commish running a team in his own league.

Because basically you're saying simming ahead lets a GM see things that other owners cannot - but what exactly do you think can happen in a league where the Commish is the GM and one click of a button enables them to see the backend ratings system?

Scott Vibert · 02-13-2017, 01:03 PM

That's just it. There is an inherent trust that the Commish isn't/wouldn't take advantage of that level of access and/or is at least transparent when that is done (there are circumstances that may make it necessary). When that trust is gone... then it's time to move on from the league.

02-12-2017, 10:29 AM	#51
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,249	In the end my #1 rule to online leagues, if you don't trust the league commish, it's time to move on. With respect to the question at hand.. if you are simming ahead (something the rest of the league doesn't have the ability to do) that's unfair. You could argue it's ok, if you announce it AND provide the sim results to all owners, but anytime you're doing something that the other owners can't it enters that grey area and starts to erode that trust that's necessary for GMs (see rule #1). Sure no sim is ever the same results wise, but they should regress towards mean, and it also gives you a leg up on which players will continue to gain talent, those whose performance decline may actually be a true loss of ratings (even if you aren't looking for this in the editor)... there is a lot of information available beyond just the stats that are produced and again, if it's something you're doing without prior notice and that your GMs can't it hits that spot where you start to cost yourself the trust of the other GMs. And as you note absolutely you could be using the editor... this is the key point of why it's important for your GMs to trust you, as you do physically have the power to change the fortunes of your own team and players. If GMs can't trust that you aren't doing this, then it's hard for them to feel good about remaining in the league. Commish's typically are more invested in terms of time and energy in the league they run, they do a lot of work to keep things fun for all of the owners, this level of investment often leads to the commissioners team being pretty good naturally without anymore of a needed advantage, whether it be simming ahead or outright cheating. Last edited by Scott Vibert; 02-12-2017 at 10:38 AM.

02-12-2017, 04:39 PM	#52
coljesep All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: 'Merica Posts: 569	To me - if you're against the idea of simming ahead, then you should be against a commish running a team in his own league. Because basically you're saying simming ahead lets a GM see things that other owners cannot - but what exactly do you think can happen in a league where the Commish is the GM and one click of a button enables them to see the backend ratings system? __________________ Commissioner of the VBL 2012-Present (no team) http://www.thevbl.org General Manager for London Hotspur 2032 & 2040 World Champion https://baseball-stars.com/

01-15-2017, 03:43 PM	#45
MrBojangles All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: low and inside Posts: 568	Setting aside the argument of whether this is cheating or not, wouldn't this strategy take some of the mystery out of the game? Isn't the mystery of the unknown one of the great attractions of baseball? That ever-optimistic "there's always next year" hope is what keeps so many of us coming back, both IRL and in our OOTP games.

01-29-2017, 11:51 AM	#47
JCarter93 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 157	I think if you do anything as a commish that gives you an advantage over other players, then it's cheating.

02-12-2017, 10:14 AM	#50
ace1914 Bat Boy Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	I was in a league where the commish did this. It also led to him editing his players and possibly destroying other owners players by editing players. Nearly destroyed a league that his been around for 7 or so years. It is clearly cheating. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

02-13-2017, 01:03 PM	#53
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,249	That's just it. There is an inherent trust that the Commish isn't/wouldn't take advantage of that level of access and/or is at least transparent when that is done (there are circumstances that may make it necessary). When that trust is gone... then it's time to move on from the league.