Fictional or Historical

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by bababui

No hard data exists on leagues people actually play. It only exists partially on what leagues people start. Most test leagues are run using MLB. This skewers the data.

Wolfie misuses the numbers in a way that would make a Soviet propagandist proud.

Please stop with this nonsense. You know better than this.

We have officially collected real data, and you are deliberately calling it false for personal benefit. One of us IS acting like a Soviet propagandist - and it's you. Please stop.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Cujomatty

Realistically the majority of users probably aren't on these boards or participating in polls. I totally believe that fictional league guys are a vocal minority. Its the hardcores. The dudes on these boards.

And you are correct. There has been a large, very vocal, very demanding set of fictional "dudes" here for at least the last ten years. They really don't like the fact that OOTP-collected hard data shows that MLB-based play actually outnumbers fictional play three to one.

[bababui]

No one has collected 'official' data...whatever that is. You intentionally misuse partial and incomplete data to try to bully people. Only you.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by bababui

No one has collected 'official' data...whatever that is. You intentionally misuse partial and incomplete data to try to bully people. Only you.

You lie. OOTP has collected, and released, official usage data. MLB-based play outnumbers fictional play three to one.

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

By the way, our usage tracker reveals that 65% of of OOTP users play the modern day MLB standard game, 25% fictional, and 10% historical.

Stop lying, Bababui. Just stop.

[Spritze]

I'm pretty sure the Standard game dwarfs everything else like a Giant Squid dwarfs an anchovy.

It is considered historical by some but isn't what I think of as historical.

[Scoman]

Originally Posted by sol_phenom

I play both, but I slightly favor historical/real.

This ^^^..... Should have been a third option for both......

[The Wolf]

And stop trying to spin it, Bababui. Try accepting the truth: fictional players are a fractional minority.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Spritze

I'm pretty sure the Standard game dwarfs everything else like a Giant Squid dwarfs an anchovy.

Good squid-based analogy there.

[jpeters1734]

Aaand the thread devolved into what I knew it would. A very loud and abrasive character name calling and holding on to flawed data, while repeating himself multiple times.

Yes people START modern leagues 3-1 more times but that's a very limited view on usage. I will concede that modern players outnumber fictional but it's not a 3-1 ratio.

[The Wolf]

There is zero - ZERO - evidence that test leagues are created in any proportion other than 65-10-25 by players. None. Not a shred. It's a claim made up by fictional players trying to regain the influence over the game that they once had.

[The Wolf]

The hard data exists, so you people try to spin it and attack those who bring it up. Looks pretty desperate and disreputable to me.

[Padreman]

Unless I see the hard data sorry but no dice don't exist

[mitchkenn]

Originally Posted by Spritze

I'm pretty sure the Standard game dwarfs everything else like a Giant Squid dwarfs an anchovy.

It is considered historical by some but isn't what I think of as historical.

i suppose, it all ends up as fictional, since it's a game (and not historical re-enactments) and we each alter it to fit our personal playing methods. i like the game. i play it in my own personal universe and call it whatever. it's based on history somehow, but after a while, i'm not certain even i can tell the difference between my fictional-historical and what was supposed to be baseball reality. And i like it that way.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Padreman

Unless I see the hard data sorry but no dice don't exist

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

By the way, our usage tracker reveals that 65% of of OOTP users play the modern day MLB standard game, 25% fictional, and 10% historical.

So, you think Markus is lying? Holy cow.

[Padreman]

Are you saying that have A device to detect how were using the game for? Which is kind of creepy. Or are you simply stating that mows games that they are looking into for bugs the majority of them Are historical? That really doesn't explain anything to me is arbitrary numbers how exactly are they tracking that

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

There is zero - ZERO - evidence that test leagues are created in any proportion other than 65-10-25 by players. None. Not a shred. It's a claim made up by fictional players trying to regain the influence over the game that they once had.

Once again you ignore the statements that are actually relevant and spout out the same nonsense you insist on repeating.

The data collection method is flawed. Usage data that is based only on created games is almost like evaluating players based solely on batting average. It doesn't give an accurate result on the true value of a certain mode.

[Honorable_Pawn]

Don't feed the troll.

The original post was harmless and intended for fun conversation among fans of the game.

Instead we end up with this tired-ass debate yet again.

Can't people discuss what they enjoy without getting flamed about being in a minority?

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

Once again you ignore the statements that are actually relevant and spout out the same nonsense you insist on repeating.

You have no relevant data. All you have is spin and speculation with zero supporting evidence. You are the one who keeps repeating nonsense.

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

The data collection method is flawed.

Translation: you don't like the facts. Tough: they are what they are and all of your constant attempts at spinning them into saying something else are useless.

You have any hard data supporting your argument? Of course you don't. That's why you are trying to make this personal, because you know that you have lost the argument.

[jpeters1734]

lol of course i don't have data, I'm not the developer!! But, I don't need data to conclude that the collection method is flawed.

Since you're so smart, please explain to everyone here in a civilized manner, how only tracking games created is an accurate method to track mode usage?

[Honorable_Pawn]

Originally Posted by Anyone

Real hard data exists on what all players who buy the game play. The original post spoke of interest in how "our community" (the people who post on this board) plays. Those are different groups.

I would like to add my two cents to your most-eloquent post.

If people don't like the fact that the majority of the people who POST on this forum prefer fictional then feel free to troll the Steam forums. In the meantime those who prefer fictional on the OOTP forums outnumber those who prefer MLB nearly 2-1.

Basically, what I'm saying is that we like to talk about fictional around here. Too bad for you if you don't like it. You are the minority around HERE.