Historical minor leagues

[CubzFan73]

I have been waiting for full and real minor leagues since I discovered OOTP. This is the coolest thing since I discovered OOTP!

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

I can't begin to tell you how cool it would be to have the old PCL in there. Many of the legendary minor leaguers were PCL players. Players would go back and forth between the PCL and the majors. Joe Dimaggio had a 61 game hitting streak in the PCL. When does the PCL coverage start?

Yeah, I know, feel the same about the old PCL.

Like I mention just above, Markus has gotta save something good for the future, no?

Idk exactly when it starts, I'll try to check later. Basically whenever it becomes primarily an affiliated league.

[frangipard]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Yes! Guys may not be 100% on their absolute correct MiLB team, but it's pretty darn close. They won't be too far off at any rate, maybe a level high or low at worst.

Yes again. Of course for both this and your above request to work out right, you'll have to select the setting not to use recalc, but let the OOTP engine take over, but all that is completely customizable.

Yep!

Mind ... expanding ... cranium ... too small ... head going to ...

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

When does the PCL coverage start?

Ok, just checked on this, looks like 1932 is the first year for the PCL.

[TribeWarpath]

Loving the updates to historical leagues and the fact players will come into the game at time they first appeared in MiLB. My question is regarding players that had injuries and missed entire seasons. Will they now import? For example Francisco Liriano never pitched in 2007 after having Tommy Johns surgery so if I start a 2007 league would he import?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by TribeWarpath

Loving the updates to historical leagues and the fact players will come into the game at time they first appeared in MiLB. My question is regarding players that had injuries and missed entire seasons. Will they now import? For example Francisco Liriano never pitched in 2007 after having Tommy Johns surgery so if I start a 2007 league would he import?

No sure, hopefully Spritze or Bigrod will see this and answer.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Yes. All affiliated leagues since 1919 are in there.

Pure awesomeness. This is just wonderful.

[Habsfan18]

Out of curiosity, what happens when we start in say..1901 and sim forward?

Will the minor league's and players automatically appear as intended come 1919 and moving forward? Or does this feature only become possible if we create a league after 1918?

Thanks!

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Habsfan18

Out of curiosity, what happens when we start in say..1901 and sim forward?

Will the minor league's and players automatically appear as intended come 1919 and moving forward? Or does this feature only become possible if we create a league after 1918?

Thanks!

It should work fine just so long as you make sure to select the historical minors option when you first start your game.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by nutt

Or something akin to a franchise relocation/suspension:

Evansville Triplets >>>> Nashville Sounds
Nashville Xpress >>>> Port City Roosters >>>> Montgomery Biscuits

I'll just point something out:

Unlike with the major league clubs, there isn't a reliable history of minor league franchises (no doubt due to the sheer number of minor league clubs that have existed). Sources sometimes don't agree if a club was a franchise shift replaced by an expansion club in the vacated city, or if the club in the new city is the expansion club.

Originally Posted by Orioles1966

If I add two expansion teams(both from Texas) for the early 1970s Dixie Association ,will one of the new teams go to the Southern League the next season to keep an even amount of teams in the Southern and Texas Leagues?

Ah, a misconception that I must clear up.

The Dixie Association was a one-year temporary merger of the Southern and Texas Leagues in 1971 due to each league dropping to 7 clubs. While many reference sources list the standings separately, as two 7-team leagues, this is NOT correct in regards to how they operated that year. While there was some retention of league individuality, overall, it was a combined 14-team, three-division league which played a unified playing schedule, and used an NFL-style playoff system (three division winners plus one wild card club*). Contemporary sources such as The Sporting News clearly show this in its published standings for the Association.

*Sources often list the playoffs as if two clubs in the Southern League played against each other, and two clubs in the Texas League squaring off, with the winners of those series playing against each other. That was only due to the way the records of the qualifying clubs happened to work out in the Dixie Association's three divisions. If the records of the qualifying clubs been different, the match-ups would have been different. Again, contemporary The Sporting News articles make this clear.

[swampdragon]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Ok, just checked on this, looks like 1932 is the first year for the PCL.

That is great news. Not as great as 1903 , but still great news. Now I just have to figure how to put this together and what options to use. Imagine a full 1933 replay (Dimaggio's first full pro season with the San Francisco Seals. He was 18.) using actual lineups for the major leagues, the three AAA leagues, the Southern Association, and the Texas League. The Sporting News would have the old lineups. I could play all year without ever going beyond 1933.

[Habsfan18]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

It should work fine just so long as you make sure to select the historical minors option when you first start your game.

So what would happen from 1901-1918 in that scenario? Would the game create placeholder teams and leagues for those years and automatically know to update to the correct format come 1919?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Habsfan18

So what would happen from 1901-1918 in that scenario? Would the game create placeholder teams and leagues for those years and automatically know to update to the correct format come 1919?

I haven't actually tested it yet, but I believe you'd be playing with MLB from 1901-1918 just like in OOTP now and then once you hit 1919 the game will expand to include the minors.

The minors as of 1919-1926 will just start with one league, the Texas League. In 1927 the International League is added, in 1930 the Western League and then things really start to explode from there.

[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Yes. All affiliated leagues since 1919 are in there.

OOTPB was my first dream come true back in 2003... I couldn't believe there was a computer baseball game that did all of the stats and did the score-keeping for me... I used to do it all by hand when we played APBA as kids.

Historical minor leagues is my second dream come true.

Will I be able to just play the Southern Association and the Texas League seasons and let the champions play in the Dixie Series.

I just want one league with two divisions, the Southern Association and the Texas League.

Will this be possible?

[khucke]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Pure awesomeness. This is just wonderful.

Beware of the fine print. From Lukasberger's posts I understood 'Affilated leagues' means leagues with clubs that are a farm team of a major league team. It does not seem to mean every existing minor league in a given year is created . So during the 20s and 30s there might only one or two minor leagues.
That's at least how I understand it.

Edit: Lukasberger cleared up the point in this thread before I finished my post.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

That is great news. Not as great as 1903 , but still great news. Now I just have to figure how to put this together and what options to use. Imagine a full 1933 replay (Dimaggio's first full pro season with the San Francisco Seals. He was 18.) using actual lineups for the major leagues, the three AAA leagues, the Southern Association, and the Texas League. The Sporting News would have the old lineups. I could play all year without ever going beyond 1933.

Absolutely. Just one thing before you get too excited, the Southern Association isn't in the game, as it was primarily an indy league it's entire existence iirc.

Here's the list of 1933 leagues that are included though:

"American Association"
"International League"
"Middle Atlantic League"
"New England League"
"New York-Pennsylvania League"
"Pacific Coast League"
"Piedmont League"
"Texas League"
"Western League"

[Huckleberry]

Just wanted to join the chorus that this is an absolute game-changer of a feature. I saw the email this morning and immediately pre-ordered just based on my own personal imagination of the possibilities for this feature.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by khucke

Beware of the fine print. From Lukasberger's posts I understood 'Affilated leagues' means leagues with clubs that are a farm team of a major league team. It does not seem to mean every existing minor league in a given year is created . So during the 20s and 30s there might only one or two minor leagues.
That's at least how I understand it.

Edit: Lukasberger cleared up the point in this thread before I finished my post.

Yes, this is correct.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

OOTPB was my first dream come true back in 2003... I couldn't believe there was a computer baseball game that did all of the stats and did the score-keeping for me... I used to do it all by hand when we played APBA as kids.

Historical minor leagues is my second dream come true.

Will I be able to just play the Southern Association and the Texas League seasons and let the champions play in the Dixie Seasons.

I just want one league with two divisions, the Southern Association and the Texas League.

Will this be possible?

Just a word of caution, as I mention above the Southern Association isn't included, at least for this year.

Bummer, I know, would love to have it and the old PCL myself, but I can deal with that given all that we're getting this year! There's always the possibility of mods as well

[swampdragon]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Absolutely. Just one thing before you get too excited, the Southern Association isn't in the game, as it was primarily an indy league it's entire existence iirc.

Here's the list of 1933 leagues that are included though:

"American Association"
"International League"
"Middle Atlantic League"
"New England League"
"New York-Pennsylvania League"
"Pacific Coast League"
"Piedmont League"
"Texas League"
"Western League"

That should be enough. You do realize you've opened a huge Pandora's box for future releases. The Negro Leagues, the Southern Association, the old PCL, etc ad infinitum. They will all have plenty of lobbyists.

Put real 19th century in, and I may never play anything else.