New Patch/Update Info - Page 3

Penfold75 · 02-17-2014, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Orioles1966

They wouldn't have to generate a schedule for FHM 15 because one would be already made-the official NHL schedule. If generate means-make from scratch.

The point is however that they would need to recreate a schedule for 32 teams (the official NHL 32 team schedule) for FHM 2015 which they have implied they are finding it difficult to do. Is this any different from having a schedule for a historic league of say 12 teams and all of a sudden I want to expand and have 14 teams the next year.

If I had a modern day NHL with 30 teams and I want to have 32 the next year why is it any different?

Orioles1966 · 02-17-2014, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Penfold75

The point is however that they would need to recreate a schedule for 32 teams (the official NHL 32 team schedule) for FHM 2015 which they have implied they are finding it difficult to do. Is this any different from having a schedule for a historic league of say 12 teams and all of a sudden I want to expand and have 14 teams the next year.

If I had a modern day NHL with 30 teams and I want to have 32 the next year why is it any different?

I agree with you. I don't want to play the same boring teams year after year. I like seeing new rivals. Watching the Toronto Maple Leafs play Buffalo over and over and over and then in the playoffs over and over-gets old in a hurry.

The modern game lasts one season,then it turns into fictional.

StrikeFour · 02-17-2014, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

You have the 2014 version, it has customization options, I already wrote that we will not abandon historical/fictional mode (just keep it realistic on what is possible and what not), so what do you think is the answer?

I hope you don't abandon historic bc I have already finished the AHL/ECHL schedules from 2013-2000. The KHL schedules I finished last night, with some clean up on some schedules done 2 yrs ago.

Here's what I have done so far:

NHL 1994-95 strike season schedule (I fixed this schedule since it was incorrectly started on January 1994.)
NHL 1994-95 non-strike season schedule
ECHL: 2000-2012 schedules
AHL: 2000-2010, and 2012 schedules (2011 was already done)
British Elite Ice Hockey: 2011-2012 schedules
NAHL 2013 schedule (corrected)
Ontario Hockey League: 2000-2012 schedules
Swedish Hockey League: 2009-2013 schedules (actual names)
KHL: 2008-2012
Czech Republic Hockey League: 2002-2012 schedules

drewst18 · 02-18-2014, 12:37 AM

I don't think they are going to abandon historic or fictional, I imagine any improvements to the gameplay that transfer from current day to those modes (match engine for example), but rightfully so I think you won't see any historic or fictional only changes being done for the remainder of this cycle. Although I could be wrong, but I think they'd be making a mistake to waste any more time on those two modes. Please before anyone responds understand the masses vs your own personal interest.
So the modes are still being made better but given current state of the game it makes sense for them to focus on one mode.

I can't speak for the devs but I would be a pretty penny that if they could go back and do things over we'd see historic/fictional play a down the road type thing. So much of the complaints have filtered from those two types in which has really slowed the progress down. And yes I know fictional play has been a staple of OOTP but the reality of it is that for the good of the majority it and historical play need to be on the back burner, at least mode specifcs (ie different era game play and expansion)

Sebastian Palkowski · 02-18-2014, 04:28 AM

I got Orioles question wrong first. So to clarify it: we can re-create any league structure that we have a schedule for (so if, in theory, the NHL would expand to 32 teams, they would have a new schedule and we could use it). What Orioles wants to do is: after the 2013/14 expand the NHL with 2 (or one or three) teams and continue to play. But we don't have a schedule for a 31/32/33 team NHL available.

To clarify the historic/fictional stuff: of course we will not remove everything (in case of historical: nothing) that is present and of course we will continue to fix stuff in both modes that needs to be fixed! And we will improve (add stuff) both modes in future versions as well but the core mode has absolute priority in all of our decisions. Keep in mind, most changes will effect both historical and fictional as well anyways.

Orioles1966 · 02-18-2014, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

I got Orioles question wrong first. So to clarify it: we can re-create any league structure that we have a schedule for (so if, in theory, the NHL would expand to 32 teams, they would have a new schedule and we could use it). What Orioles wants to do is: after the 2013/14 expand the NHL with 2 (or one or three) teams and continue to play. But we don't have a schedule for a 31/32/33 team NHL available.

To clarify the historic/fictional stuff: of course we will not remove everything (in case of historical: nothing) that is present and of course we will continue to fix stuff in both modes that needs to be fixed! And we will improve (add stuff) both modes in future versions as well but the core mode has absolute priority in all of our decisions. Keep in mind, most changes will effect both historical and fictional as well anyways.

Could you use other sports schedules for hockey schedules?
The NFL has 32 teams. 16 games Multiplied times 5 equals 80 games.
It takes 17 weeks to play 16 games.
Schedule could be used to play 4 hockey games a week.
It would take 21 weeks plus one day to complete 80 game schedule.
One week-you could use NFL week #17 as hockey rival week(each hockey team playing another team 4 times) ,then you could take the one extra week(NFL week # 17) and add it to the final day of regular season which would be a day or two past week #21 in hockey schedule.

AlpineSK · 02-18-2014, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Duranium

No offense, just curious....what´s the point in turning scouting off ?

It's an option with OOTP. We have it off in the online leagues I play. I'm not always a fan of how the scouting systems in their games work and its not always something I want to manage when handling everything else in the game especially when dealing with historical leagues where you already have an idea of the players you're dealing with. Empty or erroneous ratings can make the process frustrating.

tward13 · 02-18-2014, 09:54 AM

Each team playing another team 4 times in a week? Remember, he's trying to get CURRENT NHL going first. This kind of haphazard jamming of some other schedule into the game doesn't make sense. And why? Just so you can expand by two teams? Won't you get bored by that in a season? Then what.

Jeez, just let him get the game working the way he and we want it to work first.

bubbas · 02-18-2014, 10:19 AM

First, focus on the nuts and bolts. When that is working flawlessly, then add the chrome and polish.

Just my few cents

Orioles1966 · 02-18-2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tward13

Each team playing another team 4 times in a week? Remember, he's trying to get CURRENT NHL going first. This kind of haphazard jamming of some other schedule into the game doesn't make sense. And why? Just so you can expand by two teams? Won't you get bored by that in a season? Then what.

Jeez, just let him get the game working the way he and we want it to work first.

I would change the two new teams every season.

Out of the 21 weeks, teams would play only 3 games a week during 4 weeks. 17 weeks X 4 games equals 68 ; 4 weeks X 3 games equals 12. Then there is the carry over game to week #22 which would mean during 5 weeks teams would only play 3 games.

omjo · 02-18-2014, 07:13 PM

I think the NHL is more likely to re-locate teams rather than expand to new cities. Too many failing franchises already, expanding would seem like a stupid decision IMO.

My point is, waiting for the NHL to add expansion teams to add it to FHM might take a while. Like... Decades lol.

Would be cool, but not a deal breaker.

How about relocating teams? Haven't tried it in FHM yet.

Orioles1966 · 02-18-2014, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by omjo

I think the NHL is more likely to re-locate teams rather than expand to new cities. Too many failing franchises already, expanding would seem like a stupid decision IMO.

My point is, waiting for the NHL to add expansion teams to add it to FHM might take a while. Like... Decades lol.

Would be cool, but not a deal breaker.

How about relocating teams? Haven't tried it in FHM yet.

The NHL makes a ton of money with expansion fees. They don't make any money when teams re-locate.

That's why the NFL won't let any current team move to LA.

Torgonius · 02-18-2014, 08:57 PM

Expansion franchise fees (and relocation fees) do NOT count as Hockey Related Revenue (HRR) in the current CBA, meaning the owners get to keep that money for themselves, and it won't affect the players' share or salary cap.

So I think you will see expansion sooner, rather than later, as the owners can use their share of the fees to keep up with the ever escalating cap. An of course, the NHLPA is not going to say no to about 90-100 more players getting NHL deals.

TheAlaskan · 02-19-2014, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by omjo

I think the NHL is more likely to re-locate teams rather than expand to new cities. Too many failing franchises already, expanding would seem like a stupid decision IMO.

My point is, waiting for the NHL to add expansion teams to add it to FHM might take a while. Like... Decades lol.

Would be cool, but not a deal breaker.

How about relocating teams? Haven't tried it in FHM yet.

Also consider that the NHL takes franchise issues very much city-by-city. They let Atlanta move to Winnipeg, but spent millions and millions to keep the Coyotes in Arizona.

If the current rumblings are to be correct, the NHL is considering to expand before relocate. Though I do think moving the Panthers isn't a terrible decision.

hobbitrjw · 02-19-2014, 09:52 PM

The only thing I (still) would like to see done for fictional is to have activated city and nation changes when you select a different region in league creation (like OOTP does) so I can easily create leagues for different regions or countries even.

mgom27 · 02-20-2014, 11:40 AM

In League Structure in OTTP when moving teams to other Leagues or adding Teams Manually have to generate new Schedule.

pucku33 · 03-03-2014, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

I will use this (locked) thread to give you 4-5 updates a week

It's now been over a month since a Sebastian update, focusing on iootp? Le sigh.

Germaniac · 03-03-2014, 01:09 PM

In "Sebastian's Update Thread" he wrote in the first post:

"I will use this (locked) thread to give you 4-5 updates a week. That way you know what we are working on. Most of the time it will be boring updates but I will use this thread to go into more detail when I feel the time is right."

This whole thing keeps me (and I'm sure lots of others) extremely frustrated ... two patches in 6 months - and zero communication.

Duranium · 03-03-2014, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Germaniac

This whole thing keeps me (and I'm sure lots of others) extremely frustrated ... two patches in 6 months - and zero communication.

not frustrated at all

....Seb or Jeff told us (maybe check the posts) the patch arrives around the trade deadline (May 5th) so no need to expect news every other day

glb2687 · 03-03-2014, 02:36 PM

New Patch/Update Info
"So we're going to combine the planned trading deadline data update with a patch containing all the new stuff except the match engine. It won't be out immediately on deadline day, which is March 5, since we'll need to do some testing to make sure nothing went wrong when the database is updated with the late roster moves, but it'll be very soon after that."

Full information on the new patch is here:
Sebastian's Update Thread

Agree with Duranium...above is what was told us in the forum....2 More days boys....Cross your fingers!!!

02-18-2014, 12:37 AM	#44
drewst18 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 164	I don't think they are going to abandon historic or fictional, I imagine any improvements to the gameplay that transfer from current day to those modes (match engine for example), but rightfully so I think you won't see any historic or fictional only changes being done for the remainder of this cycle. Although I could be wrong, but I think they'd be making a mistake to waste any more time on those two modes. Please before anyone responds understand the masses vs your own personal interest. So the modes are still being made better but given current state of the game it makes sense for them to focus on one mode. I can't speak for the devs but I would be a pretty penny that if they could go back and do things over we'd see historic/fictional play a down the road type thing. So much of the complaints have filtered from those two types in which has really slowed the progress down. And yes I know fictional play has been a staple of OOTP but the reality of it is that for the good of the majority it and historical play need to be on the back burner, at least mode specifcs (ie different era game play and expansion) Last edited by drewst18; 02-18-2014 at 12:40 AM.

02-18-2014, 04:28 AM	#45
Sebastian Palkowski Developer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 5,386	I got Orioles question wrong first. So to clarify it: we can re-create any league structure that we have a schedule for (so if, in theory, the NHL would expand to 32 teams, they would have a new schedule and we could use it). What Orioles wants to do is: after the 2013/14 expand the NHL with 2 (or one or three) teams and continue to play. But we don't have a schedule for a 31/32/33 team NHL available. To clarify the historic/fictional stuff: of course we will not remove everything (in case of historical: nothing) that is present and of course we will continue to fix stuff in both modes that needs to be fixed! And we will improve (add stuff) both modes in future versions as well but the core mode has absolute priority in all of our decisions. Keep in mind, most changes will effect both historical and fictional as well anyways. __________________ Buy Franchise Hockey Manager 11

02-18-2014, 08:57 PM	#53
Torgonius All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 862	Expansion franchise fees (and relocation fees) do NOT count as Hockey Related Revenue (HRR) in the current CBA, meaning the owners get to keep that money for themselves, and it won't affect the players' share or salary cap. So I think you will see expansion sooner, rather than later, as the owners can use their share of the fees to keep up with the ever escalating cap. An of course, the NHLPA is not going to say no to about 90-100 more players getting NHL deals. Last edited by Torgonius; 02-18-2014 at 08:58 PM.

02-20-2014, 11:40 AM	#56
mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,530	In League Structure in OTTP when moving teams to other Leagues or adding Teams Manually have to generate new Schedule. __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

03-03-2014, 01:09 PM	#58
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 3,059	In "Sebastian's Update Thread" he wrote in the first post: "I will use this (locked) thread to give you 4-5 updates a week. That way you know what we are working on. Most of the time it will be boring updates but I will use this thread to go into more detail when I feel the time is right." This whole thing keeps me (and I'm sure lots of others) extremely frustrated ... two patches in 6 months - and zero communication. __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

02-18-2014, 09:54 AM	#48
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Each team playing another team 4 times in a week? Remember, he's trying to get CURRENT NHL going first. This kind of haphazard jamming of some other schedule into the game doesn't make sense. And why? Just so you can expand by two teams? Won't you get bored by that in a season? Then what. Jeez, just let him get the game working the way he and we want it to work first.

02-18-2014, 10:19 AM	#49
bubbas Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 17	First, focus on the nuts and bolts. When that is working flawlessly, then add the chrome and polish. Just my few cents

02-18-2014, 07:13 PM	#51
omjo Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 288	I think the NHL is more likely to re-locate teams rather than expand to new cities. Too many failing franchises already, expanding would seem like a stupid decision IMO. My point is, waiting for the NHL to add expansion teams to add it to FHM might take a while. Like... Decades lol. Would be cool, but not a deal breaker. How about relocating teams? Haven't tried it in FHM yet.

02-19-2014, 09:52 PM	#55
hobbitrjw Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 283	The only thing I (still) would like to see done for fictional is to have activated city and nation changes when you select a different region in league creation (like OOTP does) so I can easily create leagues for different regions or countries even.

03-03-2014, 02:36 PM	#60
glb2687 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 54	Around March 5th New Patch/Update Info "So we're going to combine the planned trading deadline data update with a patch containing all the new stuff except the match engine. It won't be out immediately on deadline day, which is March 5, since we'll need to do some testing to make sure nothing went wrong when the database is updated with the late roster moves, but it'll be very soon after that." Full information on the new patch is here: Sebastian's Update Thread Agree with Duranium...above is what was told us in the forum....2 More days boys....Cross your fingers!!!