Big Fights That Never Happened - Page 3

PWillisTheMan · 08-11-2013, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Morris

I meant from the point of the view that the results for Lewis v Mason and Bowe v Tony Morrison were accurate in not just the correct round but almost the same time.

Riddick Bowe beat Tony Morrison by KO1 in 2:43 in TBCB

In real life the result was Bowe KO1 in 2:20

Lennox Lewis beat Gary Mason by KO7 in 0:33 in TBCB

In real life the result was Lewis by TKO7 in 0:44

Yet Bowe v Holyfield 1 was a 1st round TKO in TBCB for Bowe when in real life it was a UD12 for Bowe.

I was confused by saying that Bowe stopped Evander in the first in a later fight.

Rob Morris · 08-12-2013, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bob_bask

Is Pepe Correa in Lewis' corner? Eddie Futch in Bowe's?

I know you're sticking to career replay, but where would the interest in Bowe-Holyfield II come from after the outcome of their first fight?

Yes they have been the cornermen so far, although I guess I have a problem after Lewis fights McCall because in real life of course, that was Correa's last fight with Lewis.

I know what you're saying Bob, and I am hampered by the fact that I am sticking to a career replay. The angle would be was the first fight a freak result? Was Bowe really that good first time?

PWillisTheMan · 08-12-2013, 01:30 PM

I think Evander was established enough to get a rematch even with the early stoppage.

bob_bask · 08-12-2013, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Morris

I know what you're saying Bob, and I am hampered by the fact that I am sticking to a career replay. The angle would be was the first fight a freak result? Was Bowe really that good first time?

Re-read the Bowe-Holyfield contest. Plus side, Holyfield never went down, big minus is he didn't land a single punch.

How did Holyfield fare against Stewart afterwards?

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Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

I think Evander was established enough to get a rematch even with the early stoppage.

Can see established name playing factor, but immediate rematch unlikely.

Holyfield would need a couple results to be in position to claim he simply had an "off" night.

PWillisTheMan · 08-12-2013, 03:28 PM

I'm pretty sure he fought Alex Stewart before the rematch. It's just immediate in the game because he's tracking Bowe & Lewis.

Edit: I missed where you already said that.

Double Edit: If you need fighters for McGuigan & Nelson send me the guys you have and I'll work on the rest for you.

Rob Morris · 08-15-2013, 07:15 AM

It’s being billed as Repeat or Revenge but some might say The Rematch No Body Wants would be more appropriate for the clash between Riddick Bowe and Evander Holyfield. Caesars Palace executives say ticket sales have been steady if not spectacular and that they do expect a sellout crowd but the fight the world really wants to see is a unification bout between the two unbeaten champions, WBA & IBF champion Bowe and his WBC counterpart Lennox Lewis.
That doesn’t appear likely in the near future so we have Bowe facing a man he brushed aside with almost contemptuous ease in just one round with Holyfield barely landing a punch. This has lead some skeptics to ask why bother with this rematch whilst others point to the first Michael Dokes – Mike Weaver fight, which also ended in a round, whilst the rematch was an exciting fight over 15 rounds.
Holyfield has vowed to give his all and has trained like a demon for the return but the smart money in Vegas is on Bowe to repeat the trick, and stop Holyfield, just not as quickly as last time, maybe wearing down the Georgia native in about 8 or 9 rounds.

Rob Morris · 08-17-2013, 08:21 AM

there should have been an image here but I cannot get them to work, never mind.

Rob Morris · 08-17-2013, 12:57 PM

Bowe v Holyfield 2 report

A close 1st round was edged by the champion Bowe who was a little busier but a dominant 2nd round for Holyfield ended with the challenger dramatically flooring Bowe for a count of 8. This spurred the challenger on and he won the 3rd and 4th rounds. Bowe rallied though and took rounds 5 and 6. Back came Holyfied to win the 7th and 8th and give himself a handy lead on the cards with a quarter of the fight left.

Bowe needed something big but late in the 9th he walked onto a punch and was down again for 8. The 10th was surprisingly quiet with it probably being an even round, Holyfield took the 11th, Bowe took the 12th although he probably knew he needed a knockout.

We went to the scorecards which read: Jerry Roth 115-112. Patricia Morse-Jarman 116-111 and Chuck Giampa 115-112 all in favour of the winner.........and NEW WBA and IBF champion Evander "The Real Deal" Holyfield!!!

Rob Morris · 08-17-2013, 12:58 PM

So now what guys?!??! i am to blame for overcooking this particular goose.

bob_bask · 08-17-2013, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Morris

So now what guys?!??! i am to blame for overcooking this particular goose.

Looks like a straight forward career replay for Bowe until at least the third meeting with Holyfield?

Lewis goes through McCall, it's now Holyfield he'd be looking towards.

Good luck with getting these guys to the point of meeting.

Rob Morris · 08-18-2013, 02:14 PM

this was part of my original post:

"The way I do it is I have both set at career stage Prime as I want them both in the Prime when they fight and it also gives them an advantage as they advance through their careers as I want them, if possible, to be undefeated when they actually fight.

What I do is look at their actual records (printing them off Boxrec if necessary) and then have them fight the same opponent over the same number of rounds the fight was actually scheduled, the same date and if possible the same location. Obviously the opponent has to be in the TBCB database. So in this example, the first opponent for Lewis who is in the database is Ossie Ocasio, so that is Lewis’s first fight, an 8 rounder v Ossie Ocasio, Bowe’s first opponent is his real life pro debut, a 4 rounder v Lionel Butler.

In this example I plan to stop around 1993, 1994 as that is when there was a lot of talk of Lewis and Bowe meeting. Currently I am at the midway point of 1990, Lewis is 1-0 (1), a first round TKO over the afore mentioned Ocasio, Bowe by contrast is 6-0 (4). I reckon by the time I get to 1993 or mid 1994, Lewis will have had around 14 fights, Bowe 18 or 19."

So stopping at 1993 would include the 2nd Holyfield fight which makes me feel a little less bad. Still feel I have overcooked it a bit though. I am going to have to continue for at least part of 1994 I think.

Rob Morris · 08-19-2013, 07:09 AM

Lewis v McCall

Two fairly quiet opening rounds went to the champion Lewis but that all changed in the 3rd when an explosive right sent Lewis flat on his back! Up at 9 with more than 2 minutes of the round to go, it looked like we were seeing the end of Lewis's title reign and any hopes of a much mooted (and much hoped!!) Lewis v Bowe fight. Somehow though "The Lion" survived and although McCall took the fourth the danger seemed over.

Lewis took over the fight, establishing his jab, wearing the "Atomic Bull" down and causing swelling over his right eye. Sweeping rounds 6 through 9, the champion then floored McCall for 8 in round 10. Tiredness was setting in for both men and they seemed happy to last the distance.

No surprises on the scorecards as Lewis retained his title by scores of 117-109, 116-110 and 117-110 and he goes the distance for the first time in an overall record of 14-0 (13 KO's)

08-12-2013, 01:30 PM	#43
PWillisTheMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,418	I think Evander was established enough to get a rematch even with the early stoppage. __________________ http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...urnaments.html- Nerd Tournaments

08-12-2013, 03:28 PM	#45
PWillisTheMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,418	I'm pretty sure he fought Alex Stewart before the rematch. It's just immediate in the game because he's tracking Bowe & Lewis. Edit: I missed where you already said that. Double Edit: If you need fighters for McGuigan & Nelson send me the guys you have and I'll work on the rest for you. __________________ http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...urnaments.html- Nerd Tournaments

08-15-2013, 07:15 AM	#46
Rob Morris All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Liverpool, England Posts: 600	It’s being billed as Repeat or Revenge but some might say The Rematch No Body Wants would be more appropriate for the clash between Riddick Bowe and Evander Holyfield. Caesars Palace executives say ticket sales have been steady if not spectacular and that they do expect a sellout crowd but the fight the world really wants to see is a unification bout between the two unbeaten champions, WBA & IBF champion Bowe and his WBC counterpart Lennox Lewis. That doesn’t appear likely in the near future so we have Bowe facing a man he brushed aside with almost contemptuous ease in just one round with Holyfield barely landing a punch. This has lead some skeptics to ask why bother with this rematch whilst others point to the first Michael Dokes – Mike Weaver fight, which also ended in a round, whilst the rematch was an exciting fight over 15 rounds. Holyfield has vowed to give his all and has trained like a demon for the return but the smart money in Vegas is on Bowe to repeat the trick, and stop Holyfield, just not as quickly as last time, maybe wearing down the Georgia native in about 8 or 9 rounds. Last edited by Rob Morris; 08-17-2013 at 08:20 AM.

08-17-2013, 08:21 AM	#47
Rob Morris All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Liverpool, England Posts: 600	there should have been an image here but I cannot get them to work, never mind. Last edited by Rob Morris; 08-17-2013 at 12:19 PM.

08-17-2013, 12:57 PM	#48
Rob Morris All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Liverpool, England Posts: 600	Bowe v Holyfield 2 report A close 1st round was edged by the champion Bowe who was a little busier but a dominant 2nd round for Holyfield ended with the challenger dramatically flooring Bowe for a count of 8. This spurred the challenger on and he won the 3rd and 4th rounds. Bowe rallied though and took rounds 5 and 6. Back came Holyfied to win the 7th and 8th and give himself a handy lead on the cards with a quarter of the fight left. Bowe needed something big but late in the 9th he walked onto a punch and was down again for 8. The 10th was surprisingly quiet with it probably being an even round, Holyfield took the 11th, Bowe took the 12th although he probably knew he needed a knockout. We went to the scorecards which read: Jerry Roth 115-112. Patricia Morse-Jarman 116-111 and Chuck Giampa 115-112 all in favour of the winner.........and NEW WBA and IBF champion Evander "The Real Deal" Holyfield!!!

08-17-2013, 12:58 PM	#49
Rob Morris All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Liverpool, England Posts: 600	So now what guys?!??! i am to blame for overcooking this particular goose.

08-18-2013, 02:14 PM	#51
Rob Morris All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Liverpool, England Posts: 600	this was part of my original post: "The way I do it is I have both set at career stage Prime as I want them both in the Prime when they fight and it also gives them an advantage as they advance through their careers as I want them, if possible, to be undefeated when they actually fight. What I do is look at their actual records (printing them off Boxrec if necessary) and then have them fight the same opponent over the same number of rounds the fight was actually scheduled, the same date and if possible the same location. Obviously the opponent has to be in the TBCB database. So in this example, the first opponent for Lewis who is in the database is Ossie Ocasio, so that is Lewis’s first fight, an 8 rounder v Ossie Ocasio, Bowe’s first opponent is his real life pro debut, a 4 rounder v Lionel Butler. In this example I plan to stop around 1993, 1994 as that is when there was a lot of talk of Lewis and Bowe meeting. Currently I am at the midway point of 1990, Lewis is 1-0 (1), a first round TKO over the afore mentioned Ocasio, Bowe by contrast is 6-0 (4). I reckon by the time I get to 1993 or mid 1994, Lewis will have had around 14 fights, Bowe 18 or 19." So stopping at 1993 would include the 2nd Holyfield fight which makes me feel a little less bad. Still feel I have overcooked it a bit though. I am going to have to continue for at least part of 1994 I think.

08-19-2013, 07:09 AM	#52
Rob Morris All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Liverpool, England Posts: 600	Lewis v McCall Two fairly quiet opening rounds went to the champion Lewis but that all changed in the 3rd when an explosive right sent Lewis flat on his back! Up at 9 with more than 2 minutes of the round to go, it looked like we were seeing the end of Lewis's title reign and any hopes of a much mooted (and much hoped!!) Lewis v Bowe fight. Somehow though "The Lion" survived and although McCall took the fourth the danger seemed over. Lewis took over the fight, establishing his jab, wearing the "Atomic Bull" down and causing swelling over his right eye. Sweeping rounds 6 through 9, the champion then floored McCall for 8 in round 10. Tiredness was setting in for both men and they seemed happy to last the distance. No surprises on the scorecards as Lewis retained his title by scores of 117-109, 116-110 and 117-110 and he goes the distance for the first time in an overall record of 14-0 (13 KO's)