The CBU Moves to OOTP12. The Drama Bus Continues - Page 3

PotatoPeeler · 08-31-2011, 12:42 AM

This thread might just be better than the last esovia post-a-thon. I can't wait to wake up tomorrow and see what a new day brings.

PotatoPeeler · 08-31-2011, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by soundsradio

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Some have worked in professional baseball, some work in college athletics, some, like Potato Peeler, have multiple restraining orders filed against them and are not allowed with 100 feet of a school or Chuck E. Cheese.

I will not stop fighting until Showbiz Pizza returns and defeats the evil Chuck E. Cheese empire!!!

esovia23 · 08-31-2011, 12:49 AM

I show GM's respect for their intelligence and rely on them to not make dumb decisions, like true friends would with one another, and then a ferns comes along and once again destroys your faith in humanity.

Every other GM had enough sense to pass on Cantista. But not ferns, nope. He says "to be honest with you, I just was cycling through and didn't really notice his ratings."

The Redbank GM had enough sense not to pick him. He even explained how illogical the pick was. Everyone but ferns got it.

And the real irony is, there were even better prospects at AA that were more developed. But somehow he takes Cantista. It defies reason. If it was a reasonable, sound pick, fine. But it made no logical sense at all. And I can't deal with being in league where there are GM's like ferns completely lost like that.

That guy ferns is LOST, ok. And I'm not willing to suffer someones ignorance like that.

esovia23 · 08-31-2011, 12:56 AM

And in all honesty, there were a couple prospects that I looked at in AA. They were studs. And they had yellow ratings. But I said to myself, this is kind of a friendly league, they're undeveloped, it wouldnt be right to take them and screw the other GM over. I could carry them for a season and then stash them in the minors, but I wouldn't be that cheap. Thats a petty move. Especially in a friendly, gentleman's league. Thats when I realized it was a dumb league. The GM's were unintelligent.

Oshawa lost Mcure in the rule 5 draft and that caused him to quit the league too. You guys have to have some sense when you're making picks.

JWay · 08-31-2011, 01:02 AM

Oshawa lost a guy on his own fault, and then left for work reasons. Let's not get this confused with your situation. He left respectfully. You left, well apparently to get three girlfriends, I guess you win? I hope your nightmares about Cantista haunt you nightly.

By some stroke of luck Ferns picked up your player who went on to hit with over an .800 OPS in limited time, while being incredibly athletic. He was in RL despite being 23 years old.

:P

esovia23 · 08-31-2011, 01:08 AM

No, I dont care about losing Cantista. It's the principle I have a problem with. It was a cheap, petty move made by a complete loser with no sense.

And yeah, he lucked out with it because Cantista managed, but he shouldnt have. No player goes from hitting .198 in rookie ball to the majors and does well. Thats a flaw in the programming.

By all rights Cantista should have been destroyed. And he still may be. He may never have any type of career. It will only be dumb luck if it works out for ferns.

JWay · 08-31-2011, 01:17 AM

We use scouts though, maybe your scout hated him, Fern's scout had a boner for him. Makes sense to me.

esovia23 · 08-31-2011, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JWay

We use scouts though, maybe your scout hated him, Fern's scout had a boner for him. Makes sense to me.

No because ferns admitted they were bad and he didn't see them. He saw the potential only. He said he never even looked at the ratings. He has no sense. Thats why I left. Because I cant deal with another senseless GM.

esovia23 · 08-31-2011, 01:37 AM

Look at this: Player Report for #42 Ulisses Cantista

The guy is drafted in 2015, hits .198/.288/.359 over two seasons at R, doesnt develop at all, still on red ratings, ferns takes him, then he jumps to the majors and hits .254/.306/.531???

Thats absurd. Thats a programming flaw. In the history of baseball that has never happened. No player has ever done anything like that.

And to pick a 22 year old with red ratings who hit .198/.288/.359 at R in the first place is completely beyond reason. I didnt protect him because nobody could be that crazy to put a SUB-R player at the ML level.

JWay · 08-31-2011, 01:44 AM

Anything can happen in 177 ABs

esovia23 · 08-31-2011, 01:50 AM

And lets be honest. Thats a cheap move. To take a rookie league player, dump him on the bench for a year, and then stash him in your minor leagues? That is a petty move that only a dirtbag makes. That violates an unwritten rule. You just dont do it. It's not ethical. It isn't. It's a scumbag move. That guy is a scumbag.

And it was a special case anyway because it was a supplemental draft pick. So we were dealing with unorthodox development patterns as it was. I didn't protect him not because I didn't know he was out there, but because I didn't want to burn option years since I thought he was 4 years away or more. I figured him as a 26, 27 year old rookie.

So ferns has either no idea how OOTP works or he just blindly made the move. Probably the latter. He just saw the pretty potential ratings after eating a box of donuts and said to himself "me like this I take". Like a caveman.

esovia23 · 08-31-2011, 02:05 AM

The rule of thumb is that you dont take a player more than 2 years away. And Cantista was 3 or 4 years away. It's ok if a guy is 2 years away, because then he can rough out a year at the major league level and then be ready the next year.

But to take a guy three or four years away, hide him on the bench all season, then send him down to the minors, is chaos. It's insane. It's just not the proper way to manage. He doesnt know what hes doing. This guy has no idea how to manage his team properly. He has a disorganized personality that cannot understand how to manage things and organize.

esovia23 · 08-31-2011, 02:34 AM

And look at what ferns has done to Birmingham. His organization went a combined 201-353 last year. He took a perennial winner and one of the elite organizations in the CBU, and turned it into an 81 and 72 win doormat in just three years.

He doesnt know how to manage and organize and make competent moves. And the rule 5 selection of Cantista is just one indicator of that. Sure it might work out, but only out of dumb luck. Eventually dumb luck wears out and then all the incompetent choices he makes starts to kick and thats when you see a disorganized, disordered system that can't win. It already has. He went 201-353 last year.

That organization is in total ruin only after two years of him running it.

msupoke · 08-31-2011, 06:59 AM

It looks like ferns is better at evaluating talent than you are.

PotatoPeeler · 08-31-2011, 08:32 AM

I like chicken fried steak!

DCHepler25 · 08-31-2011, 08:36 AM

Norm!

soundsradio · 08-31-2011, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by esovia23

And like so many others, he wanted my player because everyone was dreaming of having a part of the system I built. They could only dream of being like me and having a perfectly organized, coherent, beautiful, and dominant system that is still dominating despite the current GM's incompetent management. They were always salivating over my players and in love with my system.

Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that esovia is bug-eyed and wringing his hands like Willem Dafoe playing the Green Goblin while he writes these?

PotatoPeeler · 08-31-2011, 09:19 AM

You know what they say about arguing on the internet... well, good news, esovia! You win!

CommishJoe · 08-31-2011, 09:31 AM

I'm locking this thread since the league is full.

Next time, if someone posts in your thread like esovia did in this one, report it. We'll delete and red card the offender (ban if enough offenses get built up).

08-31-2011, 12:42 AM	#41
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08-31-2011, 06:59 AM	#54
msupoke All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 621	It looks like ferns is better at evaluating talent than you are. Last edited by msupoke; 08-31-2011 at 08:00 AM.

08-31-2011, 08:32 AM	#55
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08-31-2011, 08:36 AM	#56
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08-31-2011, 09:19 AM	#58
PotatoPeeler Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 3,639	You know what they say about arguing on the internet... well, good news, esovia! You win! __________________ 培傑西 I have never taken a lesson on how to talk on TV in my life. - Tim McCarver Guns have only two enemies; rust and liberals. The world is a comedy to those that think; a tragedy to those that feel.

08-31-2011, 12:49 AM	#43
esovia23 Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 154 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	I show GM's respect for their intelligence and rely on them to not make dumb decisions, like true friends would with one another, and then a ferns comes along and once again destroys your faith in humanity. Every other GM had enough sense to pass on Cantista. But not ferns, nope. He says "to be honest with you, I just was cycling through and didn't really notice his ratings." The Redbank GM had enough sense not to pick him. He even explained how illogical the pick was. Everyone but ferns got it. And the real irony is, there were even better prospects at AA that were more developed. But somehow he takes Cantista. It defies reason. If it was a reasonable, sound pick, fine. But it made no logical sense at all. And I can't deal with being in league where there are GM's like ferns completely lost like that. That guy ferns is LOST, ok. And I'm not willing to suffer someones ignorance like that.

08-31-2011, 12:56 AM	#44
esovia23 Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 154 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	And in all honesty, there were a couple prospects that I looked at in AA. They were studs. And they had yellow ratings. But I said to myself, this is kind of a friendly league, they're undeveloped, it wouldnt be right to take them and screw the other GM over. I could carry them for a season and then stash them in the minors, but I wouldn't be that cheap. Thats a petty move. Especially in a friendly, gentleman's league. Thats when I realized it was a dumb league. The GM's were unintelligent. Oshawa lost Mcure in the rule 5 draft and that caused him to quit the league too. You guys have to have some sense when you're making picks.

08-31-2011, 01:02 AM	#45
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,031	Oshawa lost a guy on his own fault, and then left for work reasons. Let's not get this confused with your situation. He left respectfully. You left, well apparently to get three girlfriends, I guess you win? I hope your nightmares about Cantista haunt you nightly. By some stroke of luck Ferns picked up your player who went on to hit with over an .800 OPS in limited time, while being incredibly athletic. He was in RL despite being 23 years old. :P

08-31-2011, 01:08 AM	#46
esovia23 Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 154 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	No, I dont care about losing Cantista. It's the principle I have a problem with. It was a cheap, petty move made by a complete loser with no sense. And yeah, he lucked out with it because Cantista managed, but he shouldnt have. No player goes from hitting .198 in rookie ball to the majors and does well. Thats a flaw in the programming. By all rights Cantista should have been destroyed. And he still may be. He may never have any type of career. It will only be dumb luck if it works out for ferns.

08-31-2011, 01:17 AM	#47
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,031	We use scouts though, maybe your scout hated him, Fern's scout had a boner for him. Makes sense to me.

08-31-2011, 01:37 AM	#49
esovia23 Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 154 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	Look at this: Player Report for #42 Ulisses Cantista The guy is drafted in 2015, hits .198/.288/.359 over two seasons at R, doesnt develop at all, still on red ratings, ferns takes him, then he jumps to the majors and hits .254/.306/.531??? Thats absurd. Thats a programming flaw. In the history of baseball that has never happened. No player has ever done anything like that. And to pick a 22 year old with red ratings who hit .198/.288/.359 at R in the first place is completely beyond reason. I didnt protect him because nobody could be that crazy to put a SUB-R player at the ML level.

08-31-2011, 01:44 AM	#50
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,031	Anything can happen in 177 ABs

08-31-2011, 01:50 AM	#51
esovia23 Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 154 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	And lets be honest. Thats a cheap move. To take a rookie league player, dump him on the bench for a year, and then stash him in your minor leagues? That is a petty move that only a dirtbag makes. That violates an unwritten rule. You just dont do it. It's not ethical. It isn't. It's a scumbag move. That guy is a scumbag. And it was a special case anyway because it was a supplemental draft pick. So we were dealing with unorthodox development patterns as it was. I didn't protect him not because I didn't know he was out there, but because I didn't want to burn option years since I thought he was 4 years away or more. I figured him as a 26, 27 year old rookie. So ferns has either no idea how OOTP works or he just blindly made the move. Probably the latter. He just saw the pretty potential ratings after eating a box of donuts and said to himself "me like this I take". Like a caveman.

08-31-2011, 02:05 AM	#52
esovia23 Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 154 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	The rule of thumb is that you dont take a player more than 2 years away. And Cantista was 3 or 4 years away. It's ok if a guy is 2 years away, because then he can rough out a year at the major league level and then be ready the next year. But to take a guy three or four years away, hide him on the bench all season, then send him down to the minors, is chaos. It's insane. It's just not the proper way to manage. He doesnt know what hes doing. This guy has no idea how to manage his team properly. He has a disorganized personality that cannot understand how to manage things and organize.

08-31-2011, 02:34 AM	#53
esovia23 Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 154 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	And look at what ferns has done to Birmingham. His organization went a combined 201-353 last year. He took a perennial winner and one of the elite organizations in the CBU, and turned it into an 81 and 72 win doormat in just three years. He doesnt know how to manage and organize and make competent moves. And the rule 5 selection of Cantista is just one indicator of that. Sure it might work out, but only out of dumb luck. Eventually dumb luck wears out and then all the incompetent choices he makes starts to kick and thats when you see a disorganized, disordered system that can't win. It already has. He went 201-353 last year. That organization is in total ruin only after two years of him running it.

08-31-2011, 09:31 AM	#59
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	I'm locking this thread since the league is full. Next time, if someone posts in your thread like esovia did in this one, report it. We'll delete and red card the offender (ban if enough offenses get built up). __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.