ootp12 killing online leagues

[Marines990]

Originally Posted by damientheomen3

So pass the time trying to play another way. Jesus.

Or I can pass the time complaining on the forums since I have no interest in a solo or non scouting game.

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by Marines990

Or I can pass the time complaining on the forums since I have no interest in a solo or non scouting game.

I had absolutely no interest in a historical game, but I tried it and loved it. I had absolutely no interest in an MLB game, but I tried it and stayed with it for a while. Just try new things.

[Marines990]

I am trying something new and exciting, commenting on the forums. I only play online and I like to play the game with scouting, sorry that you cant come to grips with that.

[Athletics17]

Sorry to hear the frustrations many of you guys are going through. In the online league I am in, we make it a point not to convert until the last patch is out. Sucks to have to be patient and wait for it, but I guarantee you that it will be fixed. I mean the game has been out less than two months and we have had 3 patches already. To be innovative, you will go through rough patches creating new ideas and the ootp team is listening. You can't say that about many other software companies. Keep your heads up and stay constructive and we will get past this.

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by Marines990

I am trying something new and exciting, commenting on the forums. I only play online and I like to play the game with scouting, sorry that you cant come to grips with that.

I figured it would be understandable that I couldn't come to grips with someone being so closed-minded.

And by the way, I play the game with scouting as well, and I notice no real problems. But hey, maybe I'm just lucky.

[tward13]

Originally Posted by Athletics17

Sorry to hear the frustrations many of you guys are going through. In the online league I am in, we make it a point not to convert until the last patch is out. Sucks to have to be patient and wait for it, but I guarantee you that it will be fixed. I mean the game has been out less than two months and we have had 3 patches already. To be innovative, you will go through rough patches creating new ideas and the ootp team is listening. You can't say that about many other software companies. Keep your heads up and stay constructive and we will get past this.

For at least the 20th time, it's not a matter of converting. It's a NEW 2011 league that can ONLY be played in OOTP12.

This keeps getting missed in the explanations of how teams patiently wait to convert.

Either that or we get some totally useless suggesstion to play another way. There are 30 OOTP12 customers waiting to play a league for nearly 2 months now. The commish has been in contact with OOTP and others (like Fidel) to determine the problem and get it resolved. It's a credit to him that just about everyone is waiting. Still there is frustration and some of us are posting here.

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by tward13

For at least the 20th time, it's not a matter of converting. It's a NEW 2011 league that can ONLY be played in OOTP12.

This keeps getting missed in the explanations of how teams patiently wait to convert.

Either that or we get some totally useless suggesstion to play another way. There are 30 OOTP12 customers waiting to play a league for nearly 2 months now. The commish has been in contact with OOTP and others (like Fidel) to determine the problem and get it resolved. It's a credit to him that just about everyone is waiting. Still there is frustration and some of us are posting here.

Or maybe not every comment is directed towards you.

[Marines990]

It was towards this close minded person who just cant seem to understand that "I should be very happy with the game". If it doesnt work the way it was intended, well, play it another way and be happy.

Scouting is broken for online leagues, are you playing solo? If so, thats why you are not seeing the problem, no luck needed.

[tward13]

Originally Posted by damientheomen3

Or maybe not every comment is directed towards you.

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[Henry]

Originally Posted by Alan T

As far as I am aware the two major issues that people are reporting problems with currently are:

- Online scouting leagues are having financial issues that either require alot of manual intervention from the commissioner or scouting turned off to continue.
- Some MLB quickstart leagues (not all) appear to be having an issue where PC users (not MACS) are hanging for a long period of time when loading the online league file.

As long as the league is using 12.3.22, most of the other major issues are ironed out. If there are any other critical issues, I am not aware of them. Now I can think of a good handful of nitpick items I would like fixed, but definitely not showstoppers.

I noted parts of Alan's comments as an example of how our leagues have continued during this. A lot of work? Yes. Do I wish it was fixed already? YES! But as I said a month ago, the GM's in our league are more interested in playing baseball than waiting. We've dropped back to sim every three weeks instead of two - to give me time to make corrections - we accept a few inconsistencies as "expected" for now - and I drink more coffee than usual; but I fully expect the OOTP team to ultimately fix the issues and things will be grand again.

Complaints can be both ok AND constructive, but too many of them cross the line into insults bred of frustration. During our league's transition discussions, we always kept in mind our goal was to play the game, not destroy our love for it.

Maybe being a commish for 10 years and 64yo gives me a few more years of disappointments in life to realize that "fun" is what you make of it, not what others give you (even if it cost 40 bucks).

[Marines990]

noted parts of Alan's comments as an example of how our leagues have continued during this. A lot of work? Yes.

Actually, after the season starts you cannot completely replicate what the scouting budget was at on the first sim, I actually tried that.

Even if it did work, I would have to import each team then correct each teams scouting budget, all 30 of them, then sim. That is a pretty big work around.

I agree that too many complaints can become disturbing, I also take offense to the fact that I have been told by atleast 10 posters on here that it was my fault, "I should not have bought the game yet, I should have known better." I was told by atleast 2 posters that:

and whatever problem there is might even be of your own league's making.

Only 2 people took the time to look at the problem, Alan and Randy. The others just said "Deal with it, dont use scouting"

[Henry]

Originally Posted by Marines990

Actually, after the season starts you cannot completely replicate what the scouting budget was at on the first sim, I actually tried that.

Not completely, but close - and you can track the differences for a possible future correction, or choose to ignore them if they end up spread evenly among owners. It's a matter of how critical this particular issue is to the the whole league's goals.

Originally Posted by Marines990

Even if it did work, I would have to import each team then correct each teams scouting budget, all 30 of them, then sim. That is a pretty big work around.

It does work, and to me it's worth the extra time and effort to keep the league moving. Apparently it's also worth it to my GMs.

Originally Posted by Marines990

I agree that too many complaints can become disturbing, I also take offense to the fact that I have been told by atleast 10 posters on here that it was my fault, "I should not have bought the game yet, I should have known better." I was told by atleast 2 posters that:

"Only 2 people took the time to look at the problem, Alan and Randy. The others just said "Deal with it, dont use scouting""

The last quote wasn't from me. I have found a solution that works for us and have only pointed out there are two choices; wait until it's fixed or find a way to deal with it. We chose the latter.

I am not criticizing anyone on which choice they make, I'm just pointing out there are options if your willing to compromise your expectations of perfection to play the game. It gets tiring to hear "it doesn't work" when it "can" if you really want to play baseball.

[HustlinOwl]

on top of the 15% issue now totally random a few managers are experiencing random players on their teams that were not there before the last sim.

[Rebington]

Originally Posted by HustlinOwl

on top of the 15% issue now totally random a few managers are experiencing random players on their teams that were not there before the last sim.

that sounds like a corrupt file, or people upating before the new file is fully up more than anything else

[MikeyB]

Originally Posted by Rebington

...or people upating before the new file is fully up more than anything else

Otherwise known as the impatient bug.

[coljesep]

I keep reading in this thread that scouting is broken. But I don't really see WHAT is broken about it?

I see its financial, so what is the actual issue? I haven't tried the feature yet but I am curious.

Also is this for all new OOTP12 leagues or just converted ones?

Thanks!

[coljesep]

Also is this scouting bug for ALL online leagues? Fictional? Historical? Just looking for more info...

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by coljesep

I keep reading in this thread that scouting is broken. But I don't really see WHAT is broken about it?

I see its financial, so what is the actual issue? I haven't tried the feature yet but I am curious.

Also is this for all new OOTP12 leagues or just converted ones?

Thanks!

It is a bug with the scouting budget for OOTP12 online leagues only (doesn't matter if it is an upgraded online league or one that started in OOTP12).

The problem occurs with the import of the team file. It throws the scouting budget out of whack in a big way.

[coljesep]

Thanks for the reply Alan. Seems to be a lot of hollering and not a lot of detail

So just to be clear

"It is a bug with the scouting budget for OOTP12 online leagues only (doesn't matter if it is an upgraded online league or one that started in OOTP12)."

--- You're talking the actual scouting budget (where you set percentages per where you spend)

"The problem occurs with the import of the team file. It throws the scouting budget out of whack in a big way."

--- Meaning the dollar figures change everytime I may import a GM's FTP'd export?

Also, I assume by this thread that the problem has yet to be identified correct? And once it is, do you think there will be a patch specific for it, and not a wait to patch other items?

Last question I swear: If lets say your scout budget is 1,000,000 and then I import and edits happen. I as commish can technically keep changing it back to what it WAS until the fix happens, right?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by coljesep

--- You're talking the actual scouting budget (where you set percentages per where you spend)

--- Meaning the dollar figures change everytime I may import a GM's FTP'd export?

Also, I assume by this thread that the problem has yet to be identified correct? And once it is, do you think there will be a patch specific for it, and not a wait to patch other items?

Last question I swear: If lets say your scout budget is 1,000,000 and then I import and edits happen. I as commish can technically keep changing it back to what it WAS until the fix happens, right?

To your first two points, the answer is yes. It will change the national scouting budget into the negatives (usually but not always), but it will constantly continue to change the scouting budget every time you import the team's file (Even if you import the team's file multiple times for one sim.)

To answer your other questions, the problem has already been identified and passed on to the developers, they have already discovered the error in the code and will be issuing a patch for it (as well as other items). I can't speculate on when that patch is going to come out since I am obviously not privy to that information though.

For your last question, you can manually edit it back, but you'll have to do it for every team in your league during every import , so it is not necessarily a trivial amount of work but it is something that some league commissioners are doing until there is a fix.