Gambo/Spritze and OOTP 12

[bronco6710]

Yeah, I skipped that at first, but now I'm having other problems with the db - this is what I posted in the Mods thread:

Alright, I've downloaded the Gambo/Spritze DB and the Spritze/NoAsians DB - both for 12 - and I'm having serious problems with both. I'm using neutralized stats, OOTP development engine on, and drafting each year because I prefer that to assigning players to their actual teams.

There's the comma issue with player names that's been brought up already, hopefully an updated version is up soon because the one on Padresfan seems to still be corrupted - at least the No Asians, I haven't redownloaded Gambo/Spritze

Gambo/Spritze: When I started the league, I got all the mid-career Negro Leaguers and minor/independent leaguers in the FA pool. This is great. However, when I imported the next draft class (1935), there were no Negro Leaguers and I could only find one non-MLB player (PCL-er Brooks Holder).

SpritzeNoAsians: Similar upon starting the league, except the FA pool was different and much smaller (and it assigned Satchel Paige to the Phillies for some reason), and included a stray Japanese player. The draft class did seem to include some Negro League players, but at 138 players, it seemed way too small for a DB that is is so inclusive.

Basically, in both cases, I'm not sure if the game is importing the players from the database properly, because it doesn't feel right, and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong settings-wise, or if the kinks with OOTP12 compatibility just haven't been ironed out yet.

UPDATE: Using Gambo/Spritze, the 1936 draft class features Brooks Holder again, and about 100 Japanese first-basemen who have no defensive ratings whatsoever. Honestly, this seems pretty broken.

What's going on? Are the db's set up to import as draft clases? Because I just can't get either of them to import properly.

[Gambo]

There must be something wrong with your copy of the database. 1936 should have 185 players import. If Holder is being duplicated in 1936 then it's either your setting or the league are messed up or your copy of the DB is messed up.

[bronco6710]

Does it make a difference if you point the db to master.csv or to historical_database.odb? I'll dl the db again and restart it, but if it's not that, what setting could it be?

[Gambo]

The game is supposed to use the historical_database.odb if it exists in the directory but this has proven to not be the case. You should always point to the .odb file.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Gambo

The game is supposed to use the historical_database.odb if it exists in the directory but this has proven to not be the case. You should always point to the .odb file.

Except of course if you like to modify this great mod. In that case you have to remove the historical_database.odb, and point to the Master.csv file.

[OutS|der]

i don't really know where to post this so i figured i'd post here among the great roster makers.

how do i go about editing the records of the league? say for example i'd like to remove bonds hitting 73 home runs, would i just edit his home run total in the master.csv or do i need to do it elsewhere to?

i'd like a tutorial on how to eidt or modify a roster for this game as i can't seem to wait for others to make them.
any help would be great and sorry for hisjacking the thread

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by dcundy

been at this for a while but still looking for a better way to setup my historical sim settings. does anyone have any suggestions or even a how to set up the rules/basic options/historical/strategy settings.

Ouch. Sorry to see you got lost in the shuffle for so long. My answer will sound trite given that opening comment, but TBQH it depends on what you want from the game. The only way to find what you want, is unfortunately to sift through and find all the things you don't want and cast them aside. It's a seemingly endless process, particularly if you're a finicky sort like me, but you will get there eventually. I spent all of OOTPX trying to figure out how I wanted to play the game, because of the multitude of options. I have also spent most of OOTP 11 trying to get it where I want it, and I think I'm there now.

I've put off ordering OOTP 12 until the final patch comes out. Bad experience with OOTP 11 with modifying databases causing fielders to be rendered beyond useless (all zeroes at every position: 50-75 errors per team per game...Uh...Yeah). Learned the hard way that it's better to wait for the finished product than to order the current one only to have to put it on the shelf and go back to the previous version, and won't make that mistake again. Judging from the number of threads started by people who can't play the game the way they want to with this version, it's not a bad way to go, except of course if everybody was to do it. Then Markus wouldn't find out what's wrong with the game, and maybe quit due to lack of interest. People aren't that patient though. Most people want to do the equivalent of ripping open their Christmas presents at 5:00 AM on Christmas morning, whilst inhaling a bunch of chocolate and tear around the house screaming with excitement, waking everybody up when release day rolls around. However the time I didn't spend playing the game was spent on figuring out my settings, and looking back now, while tedious and disappointing at the time, it was definitely time well spent.

When I went to set things up, the question I asked myself for every setting was: I may want to play this way, but if I do, will it help or hurt the AI? Whichever one would hurt it less was the one I would go with, because I wanted the AI to be as strong as possible. Generally that leads to a drastically simplified game absent of the more complex rules of baseball that, last time I checked, the AI still seems to struggle with, and while that may not be ideal from a "this is how it really happens in baseball" standpoint, it creates the greater challenge IMHO. If you can figure out your main goal, then you just ask which setting will get you closer to it as you decide on each setting.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

i don't really know where to post this so i figured i'd post here among the great roster makers.

how do i go about editing the records of the league? say for example i'd like to remove bonds hitting 73 home runs, would i just edit his home run total in the master.csv or do i need to do it elsewhere to?

i'd like a tutorial on how to eidt or modify a roster for this game as i can't seem to wait for others to make them.
any help would be great and sorry for hisjacking the thread

I don't consider this hijacking a thread. You're asking the masters (Gambo, Spritze, and even Garlon) of modification how to get things the way you want them. I think if you were to edit the Bonds HR totals, you would do so in the master file in either the batting (real stats) folder, or the batting2 (neutralized stats) folder depending on your preference. Once you make any modification, no matter how small, you must remove the historical_database.odb file (always, always, always make a second copy of the stats file first, so that you'll still have the historical_database.odb file should you wish to return to it, and either store it in game or on an external hard drive), otherwise it will always overwrite your change.

What I would suggest you do however, and bear in mind this is only a suggestion, is to modify the era_stats.txt file located in the database folder in your Documents/OOTPD/OOTPB12/ folder by copying a year which is more to your liking repeatedly over each of the steroid (methinks to quote John Belushi: "You no like-a da juice") era seasons. Again make sure you make a backup copy of the era_stats.txt file before modifying it, and save it somewhere, so you can always go back to things the way they were, if you don't like the changes. 1986 and 1987 were a bit inflated, and then things were kind of "normal" from 1988 through 1992 for some inexplicable reason, but from 1993 through however far you want to take it (certainly not 2010 and so far in 2011 though), things got a little crazy thanks to four new teams, which diluted the pitching talent, juiced balls and juiced ballplayers. Changing the totals should drive down the number of league wide HR hit provided you start your sim about 10 to 20 years prior to the seasons you're interested in playing, in order to work out all the recalc kinks. Bonds will most likely still lead the league, but he shouldn't come anywhere near 73, if you pick a year like (my personal favourite, though I don't play this way) 1985, to overwrite the years you don't like, when Darrell Evans was the only player to hit 40 homeruns, and he hit 40 right on the nose.

Asking questions is not hijacking. Ask away. You've got two of the best in Gambo and Spritze making regular appearances in this thread. They'll let you know if you're hijacking, but I seriously doubt they would consider polite, courteous questions like the one above to be in that category. I guess it all depends on whether or not you're using a bandana to disguise your face as you type this though, because as we all know everyone who wears a bandana is a terrorist, and therefore enjoys hijacking.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by bronco6710

Yeah, I skipped that at first, but now I'm having other problems with the db - this is what I posted in the Mods thread:



What's going on? Are the db's set up to import as draft clases? Because I just can't get either of them to import properly.

Partially answered in Mods thread.

[OutS|der]

so if i go and edit all the juiced home run records and gave them all totals lower then Maris, that is who will show up as the leader next time i load my league? that and renameing my historical_database.odb for backup sakes

i'd assume edit the year in pictchers or teams and get the same results?

[Spritze]

Yes

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

so if i go and edit all the juiced home run records and gave them all totals lower then Maris, that is who will show up as the leader next time i load my league? that and renameing my historical_database.odb for backup sakes

i'd assume edit the year in pictchers or teams and get the same results?

Like I said (after mentioning the whole historical_database.odb finagling), I would suggest editing the totals in era_stats.txt by copy/pasting your favourite season's totals over top of whatever seasons' totals you deem to be offensive/ridunkulous. That will make it so there are less HR to go around and should theoretically reduce everyone's inflated totals proportionately provided of course that you play with recalc on. Everyone's favourite evil incarnate Satan and poster child of the steroid era will still lead the league in HR. He just, more likely than not, will not come anywhere close to 73.

PA/HR:

1985: 44.50
2000: 33.42
2001: 34.25
2010: 40.22
2011: 43.00
Bonds (2001): 9.10

Theoretically, if you were to use 1985 totals as your base, Bonds would be brought down to 44.50/34.25 = 1.30*9.10 = 11.83 PA/HR. Given the 664 PA he had in 2001, that would take his total HR to 664/11.83 = 56.12 or 56 over the course of a full season. It wouldn't hit that every time due to statistical variance, but it should significantly reduce that crazy 73 number, and may even keep Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa from overtaking Maris for the all-time single season mark from 1998-2001.

The problem (at least from my point of view: take it with a truckload of salt) with taking HR away from some but not others, is that even 10 or 15 years on, we have no real way of knowing whose HR totals were inflated artificially, and whose were hit naturally, nor do we know how much of an effect there was. We know there was an effect on Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa, but how much of one? How many HR were the result of greenies back in baseball's "golden age" (as if there isn't a golden age going on right now in front of our noses). I would probably put greenies in the performance enabling, rather than performance enhancing drugs class, but getting a guy onto the field when he normally would be taking a day off for whatever reason does allow him to put up more numbers than he might have been able to, without that extra "boost".

I tend to look at things on a league wide basis rather than worrying about what various individuals are doing in the league. I do that because it's easier (i.e. I don't have to play God and guestimate who should hit what: it's a can of worms I don't feel comfortable opening) and because when HR totals and scoring get crazy high, quite frankly I lose interest. It's not baseball anymore. It's an arcade game. Sure chicks dig the long ball. I dig it too, in its proper place. Interestingly enough, there have been 17 seasons in baseball history where HR have been hit at a rate of 1.00 or more per team game. Want to take a guess at which 17?...1987, and 1994-2009...Hmmm...That's why I say take your favourite year and paper over the ones you don't like with one that you do because you'll never be able to nail down every last cheater, but you can let the air out of the entire league's tires. Much more efficient.

[actionjackson]

D'oh! (when is Markus gonna get that d'oh smilie for us anyway?) Just realized this most likely isn't what you're looking for OutS|der. You just want to make sure that the record is not held by Bonds, Sosa, or McGwire when you start a game after they're done I think. Oh well, it helped me clarify what I might do when I come to those 17 years. Thanks for bringing it up, and sorry for my lousy comprehension skills.

[OutS|der]

what i want to do is edit the history of a player so i can change who holds what records if i want.

i tried editing the total home runs of bonds but it still shows him holding the record with 73 even though i edited that year for him to have 54, what am i doing wrong and how can i change a players history?

is this even possible?

[hefalumps]

Hey Gambo,

I finally downloaded your datatabase and decided to start a league in 1950 - I want all the players to hit the draft the year they made their *professional* debut as opposed to their ML debut, and it sounds like your database will allow me to do that.

However, when I create the league, I end up with about 1200 minor league or foreign players in the FA pool that weren't currently assigned to ML teams. This, by itself, is not a problem, but I sorted them by overall rating, and there are a lot of guys with fantastic ratings who had great stats in the minors but never amounted to anything in the majors. I'm all about having an alternate universe and having some ML players surprise me by being better than they actually were, but I don't really want to see career minor leaguers (a la Crash Davis) appearing on the level with Ted Williams and Mickey Mantle.

I'm assuming this has something to do with the settings I used when I did my import. What do you recommend? I was thinking of just deleting anyone who hadn't played a ML game in the last three years or who had one star OVR/POT or less.

Also, I noticed Willie Mays in that same FA pool. I checked his minor league stats and he debuted with an affiliate of the NYG in 1950, but for some reason he didn't get assigned to their team. Maybe I need to expand my number of minor league affiliates.

Thanks for any help you can provide!

[Spritze]

Atchally Willie Mays made his professional debut with the Birmingham Black Barons of the Negro League in 1948. They weren't affiliated with nobody, no how, no way. I doubt this impacts the Gambo db though. But there it is.

[hefalumps]

Originally Posted by Spritze

Atchally Willie Mays made his professional debut with the Birmingham Black Barons of the Negro League in 1948. They weren't affiliated with nobody, no how, no way. I doubt this impacts the Gambo db though. But there it is.

Thanks Spritze.

Yeah I did some extra research into Mays and noticed that he did debut in the Negro League. But apparently he signed on with the Giants' minor league affiliate in May of 1950. I don't have the CSVs in front of me to look at them, but if he spent any time at all in the Negro League in 1950, maybe that's why his neutralized stats line for that year shows "FA" as the teamID instead of "NY1". That's my working theory at least.

I still have the issue of some career minor leaguers still being too highly rated on initial import. As an example, SP Bill Bradford imported with real ratings (i.e. scouting disabled) of 8/18/14 (on a 20 scale). In real life he pitched one major league game in 1956, allowing two homers and a walk over two innings. But over 10 minor league seasons, he went 90-74 with a 3.67 ERA. The neutralized stats in the database drop his numbers slightly (87-79, 4.13 ERA), but still OOTP is projecting him as a "dominant hurler". Any workarounds I can use to "downgrade" players like this in an efficient manner? I already deleted all FAs who were 30 or older, hadn't played any games in the majors yet, and had OVR/POT ratings of one star or less. But I still have 670 FAs to sort through!

Thanks!

[jhart05]

Originally Posted by Gambo

Did you import using neutralized statistics? The gambo DB only works when neutralized statistics are enabled. When you choose real statistics essentially all you get are MLB players.

Maybe this is what I'm looking for??

From this post: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...3-post432.html

[Gambo]

1) For my database you have to use neutralized.

2) Also, keep in mind there are two Gambo DBs last year, one works with the transaction database (you'll see the end of the file says wtrans). Pretty much the only difference is that the transactions one sets the organziations like they were on opening day. e.g. Don Mattingly was drafted in June 1979, as of opening day he is a FA but when you have real transactions on he goes to the Yanks on draft day. The regular one should have him with the Yankees as of opening day.

Also, Willie Mays will be a FA in both.