C² PCL Database - Page 3

dcpcarmona · 08-05-2011, 11:45 AM

Usually no news is good news...hopefully this is true here.

dcc

Cooleyvol · 08-05-2011, 01:37 PM

Spritze and myself are doing some testing.

Spritze · 08-06-2011, 03:32 PM

PCL Design input would be appreciated. We are having challenges figuring out what to do, what would play best, what would be most interesting etc.

To get a ML and PCL world without ballplayer overlap one would need to delete all ML players who ever appeared in the PCL from the standard Lahman, the question then becomes what of a player whose PCL debut was at age 48 (there are some), should he join the PCL at 27 which is when he started his major league career or at 18 which is when he started his minor league career in other leagues. 18, 27 or 48? That is one question.

Plus who plays CF for the Yankees if not DiMaggio since he may stay in the PCL with San Francisco.

Then with all those players missing will there be enough players to even fill out the major league rosters if one tries to have 3 leagues?

Plus what of a players huge career gaps if we remove his major league career entirely, he'd just play in 1903 and 1917 and at no other time if those were his only PCL years?

I'm wondering?

Cooleyvol · 08-06-2011, 04:57 PM

I'll offer this on the posed questions:

what of a player whose PCL debut was at age 48 (there are some), should he join the PCL at 27 which is when he started his major league career or at 18 which is when he started his minor league career in other leagues. 18, 27 or 48?

On this issue, my perspective is that the player should be in a 'merged' db as an MLB player.

Plus what of a players huge career gaps if we remove his major league career entirely, he'd just play in 1903 and 1917 and at no other time if those were his only PCL years?

Again, IMO, this player should be a MLBer. I understand that the career of Ted Williams and Joe D could be said to be almost the same and thusly, should be an MLBer. The difference to me is that there's the possibility that these such players could have stayed in the PCL had it been a 'major' league.

Personally, what I want out of this db is to be able to run the MLB in the same file with the PCL. Separate leagues, but in the same file. I'd also like to run the PCL alone. I believe this 'merged' db would accomplish both.

Cooleyvol · 08-06-2011, 05:00 PM

FTR, I have successfully created a PCL alone AND a PCL alongside an historical MLB.

We're now to the point of fine tuning the db to what the users here want out of it.

The easiest thing would be for Markus to add the PCL to the game so that it could be added much like you can add the Korean league to your existing league. Absent that, its doable, but a bit tricky.

Spritze · 08-06-2011, 05:18 PM

No such thing as a merged db, for that to work.....well it just wouldn't as OOTP now stands. A merged DB only allows 2 leagues so unless you make two of the 3 leagues a single entity with 2 Divisions OOTP will not accomodate you.

Cooleyvol · 08-06-2011, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritze

No such thing as a merged db, for that to work.....well it just wouldn't as OOTP now stands. A merged DB only allows 2 leagues so unless you make two of the 3 leagues a single entity with 2 Divisions OOTP will not accomodate you.

If you have one with the PCL guys removed and the new PCL db entries added, that's what I'm calling 'merged'.

I'm calling two different db now with the MLB/PCL league. Why couldn't I call the same 'merged' db in that same league file?

Spritze · 08-06-2011, 05:51 PM

The players won't go to the correct teams unless you have two leagues in some fashion, 3 will not do.

Cooleyvol · 08-06-2011, 06:19 PM

Well, for my use, I'd want them either entering the FA pool or a draft anyway, but I understand what you're saying.

I guess I didn't understand the amount of problems OOTP presents in a setup that I would describe as simple.

Spritze · 08-06-2011, 06:41 PM

OOTP <> Simple.

Spritze · 08-07-2011, 05:22 AM

Coolio is testiculating a final version.

Watch for his announcement. Soon?

Cooleyvol · 08-08-2011, 12:10 PM

I am relatively certain that I have this working as intended.

I've got the PCL running in a universe alongside MLB with separate drafts/rookie classes coming in each season.

I also have the PCL running as a standalone league as intended.

The setting up of the PCL/MLB universe is a little involved, but very doable. It involves saving a standalone PCL as a template and then adding that to an historical MLB league.

Henry · 08-14-2011, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

I am relatively certain that I have this working as intended.

I've got the PCL running in a universe alongside MLB with separate drafts/rookie classes coming in each season.

I also have the PCL running as a standalone league as intended.

The setting up of the PCL/MLB universe is a little involved, but very doable. It involves saving a standalone PCL as a template and then adding that to an historical MLB league.

Hey Mark, thinks still looking good with this project? Looking forward to what you guys have done - can't express how much I appreciate the work you have put into this.

Cooleyvol · 08-14-2011, 10:22 PM

Thanks, Henry. Its ready to go. I'm just unsure how to package it up.

Spritze suggests that I take it and create quickstarts, but you guys will still have to have the db(s) installed to be able to move forward.

As I said, its a little odd in the way it has to be used, but its very usable nonetheless. I'll get it packaged up this week.

telarc30 · 08-18-2011, 08:36 PM

I was wondering when this database will be ready for download?

Cooleyvol · 08-20-2011, 09:10 PM

Soon.

Spritze · 08-26-2011, 07:09 PM

rename the attachment as noted above and unzip it. You'll find the pcl Lahman style files inside. Use any way you wish.

I'm sure Cooley will have other stuff later but in case you are tired of waiting go with this.

Cooleyvol · 08-26-2011, 08:14 PM

Is this the PCL I used with the modded MLB db Spritzy?

I ask that no one use this for an online league at this time. I have one in the works.

Spritze · 08-26-2011, 08:31 PM

Yes.
BUT
This is the solo league version so solowers who fly solo can play soloey.

The edible version is not yet finished. I can't get the caramel to stick.

Cooleyvol · 08-26-2011, 09:49 PM

Editable? I used this version and the modded MLB to create an online league.

08-05-2011, 11:45 AM	#41
dcpcarmona All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: at the New Moon Posts: 1,644	Usually no news is good news...hopefully this is true here. dcc __________________ "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -Rogers Hornsby

08-06-2011, 03:32 PM	#43
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Many questionable questions are questing for answers. PCL Design input would be appreciated. We are having challenges figuring out what to do, what would play best, what would be most interesting etc. To get a ML and PCL world without ballplayer overlap one would need to delete all ML players who ever appeared in the PCL from the standard Lahman, the question then becomes what of a player whose PCL debut was at age 48 (there are some), should he join the PCL at 27 which is when he started his major league career or at 18 which is when he started his minor league career in other leagues. 18, 27 or 48? That is one question. Plus who plays CF for the Yankees if not DiMaggio since he may stay in the PCL with San Francisco. Then with all those players missing will there be enough players to even fill out the major league rosters if one tries to have 3 leagues? Plus what of a players huge career gaps if we remove his major league career entirely, he'd just play in 1903 and 1917 and at no other time if those were his only PCL years? I'm wondering?

08-26-2011, 08:14 PM	#58
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	Is this the PCL I used with the modded MLB db Spritzy? I ask that no one use this for an online league at this time. I have one in the works. Last edited by Cooleyvol; 08-26-2011 at 08:15 PM.

08-05-2011, 01:37 PM	#42
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	Spritze and myself are doing some testing.

08-06-2011, 04:57 PM	#44
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	I'll offer this on the posed questions: what of a player whose PCL debut was at age 48 (there are some), should he join the PCL at 27 which is when he started his major league career or at 18 which is when he started his minor league career in other leagues. 18, 27 or 48? On this issue, my perspective is that the player should be in a 'merged' db as an MLB player. Plus what of a players huge career gaps if we remove his major league career entirely, he'd just play in 1903 and 1917 and at no other time if those were his only PCL years? Again, IMO, this player should be a MLBer. I understand that the career of Ted Williams and Joe D could be said to be almost the same and thusly, should be an MLBer. The difference to me is that there's the possibility that these such players could have stayed in the PCL had it been a 'major' league. Personally, what I want out of this db is to be able to run the MLB in the same file with the PCL. Separate leagues, but in the same file. I'd also like to run the PCL alone. I believe this 'merged' db would accomplish both.

08-06-2011, 05:00 PM	#45
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	FTR, I have successfully created a PCL alone AND a PCL alongside an historical MLB. We're now to the point of fine tuning the db to what the users here want out of it. The easiest thing would be for Markus to add the PCL to the game so that it could be added much like you can add the Korean league to your existing league. Absent that, its doable, but a bit tricky.

08-06-2011, 05:18 PM	#46
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	No such thing as a merged db, for that to work.....well it just wouldn't as OOTP now stands. A merged DB only allows 2 leagues so unless you make two of the 3 leagues a single entity with 2 Divisions OOTP will not accomodate you.

08-06-2011, 05:51 PM	#48
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	The players won't go to the correct teams unless you have two leagues in some fashion, 3 will not do.

08-06-2011, 06:19 PM	#49
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	Well, for my use, I'd want them either entering the FA pool or a draft anyway, but I understand what you're saying. I guess I didn't understand the amount of problems OOTP presents in a setup that I would describe as simple.

08-06-2011, 06:41 PM	#50
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	OOTP <> Simple.

08-07-2011, 05:22 AM	#51
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Coolio is testiculating a final version. Watch for his announcement. Soon?

08-08-2011, 12:10 PM	#52
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	I am relatively certain that I have this working as intended. I've got the PCL running in a universe alongside MLB with separate drafts/rookie classes coming in each season. I also have the PCL running as a standalone league as intended. The setting up of the PCL/MLB universe is a little involved, but very doable. It involves saving a standalone PCL as a template and then adding that to an historical MLB league.

08-14-2011, 10:22 PM	#54
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	Thanks, Henry. Its ready to go. I'm just unsure how to package it up. Spritze suggests that I take it and create quickstarts, but you guys will still have to have the db(s) installed to be able to move forward. As I said, its a little odd in the way it has to be used, but its very usable nonetheless. I'll get it packaged up this week.

08-18-2011, 08:36 PM	#55
telarc30 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 20	I was wondering when this database will be ready for download?

08-20-2011, 09:10 PM	#56
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	Soon.

08-26-2011, 08:31 PM	#59
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Yes. BUT This is the solo league version so solowers who fly solo can play soloey. The edible version is not yet finished. I can't get the caramel to stick.

08-26-2011, 09:49 PM	#60
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	Editable? I used this version and the modded MLB to create an online league.