My Lord!!....TERRIBLE REVIEW ...Please READ EVERYONE! - Page 3

DarkFudge · 04-16-2002, 05:57 PM

Freedom of Speech can be a very dangerous weapon in the hands of the wrong tongue

Laws do not make things morally right....Responsible judgement should be taken before things are said, written, and/or jestured

Open your mind....listen to music...and think before you say

Killebrew · 04-16-2002, 06:03 PM

I'd guess that website recieved a record amount of hits today

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LMNt: The synthesized love machine · 04-16-2002, 06:06 PM

First of all. Let me make this clear, I respect your opinions, we all have a voice, and I don't want anything to come across as disrespectful. We are all friends here.

The thought of people controlling what I am allowed to feel, and say, quite frankly, scares the hell out of me, and I pray that I may never have to live in a society that regulates my feelings. Morality differs from person to person almost an opinion. What you think of as immoral, may be the norm for me, and vise versa. For example, some peolpe believe working the sabath(saturday) is immoral, while I do not, Drinking to some, is immoral, and to others dancing, or movement of the hips, is immoral. It's all relative.

DarkFudge · 04-16-2002, 06:26 PM

Please ...It's not necessary to defend your opposing views with a "we are all friends here..." statement. There was nothing said that would lead me to beleive otherwise.

No one is asking to take away your thoughts, your beer, pot smoking or even your right to thrust your libido in a jirating motion in front of the mirror naked if that's what gets your monkey moving

....Simple and basic moral responsibilities need to be excercised in society and if the basic guidelines of those responsiblities are just too difficult for some to figure out then they should simply move to the next easiest precaution....some common f#$&ing sense.

It's really not all that hard...even for loser like myself.

Too many people use the liberties of our great nation as a floor mat to stand on when they spew their garbage carelessly and irresposibly to the world outside their door with no consideration for the ramifications of their actions.

poway-slugger · 04-16-2002, 06:30 PM

awful review- c

Psicosis · 04-17-2002, 02:05 AM

It's a terrible review, even in its current state(I didn't see it in its original form), but it's not a surprise when looking at the rest of the site.

I have to agree with GiantsRule, too. Don't write off everyone under the age of 20 as a mindless, easily distracted goofball(there are plenty of those, too, however). I'm 16, and though I doubt there are many people my age who play OOTP, I somehow feel compelled to defend those in my age group.

And don't knock GTA III. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> It's incredibly deep(I'm still finding new things six months later) and extremely fun.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />....Simple and basic moral responsibilities need to be excercised in society and if the basic guidelines of those responsiblities are just too difficult for some to figure out then they should simply move to the next easiest precaution....some common f#$&ing sense.<hr /></blockquote>I agree that we should be responsible with what we say and do in public, but if you're suggesting that limitations on Free Speech would be a good idea, you're insane. It's your right to have that opinion, but it's my right to say you're a raving loonie. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Dale · 04-17-2002, 03:52 AM

I would just like to say that i personally know the reviewer, He has long been a friend of mine. He is a good person and fairly intellegent too. Perhaps he was just really pissed at how dissapointing the game was to him. I downloaded the demo, along with Andy, and Robert and we dont like it either. Andy found it interesting until the lack of real players made him discredit it. I think its a cool game and should be given the credit that is due. Just because one person on our site dont like the game dont make him a bad person. He said he was sorry and re-done his review. Now if only you guys could be this mature.
He said he would give the game another chance considering the large amount of feedback both for and against the game. You shouldnt judge the site just because of one person. Everyone at the site works hard and screws up at some time or another. It was a simple mistake of distributing the wrong game to the wrong person. We will try to fix that problem. We also do not blame anything other than code error for the problem with our forums. You guys did not cause it considering that you made up only a small fraction of our hits yesterday.

Anyhow any feedback is good feedback, and if we make a mistake i hope someone like you guys step up to the plate and put us in our place. We do not do this for free games, or fame or glory, we do it because its fun, interesting, and you meet a lot of cool people.

Well... i guess ill get off of here...

-Dale aka Ryudo

Chappy · 04-17-2002, 03:56 AM

Freedom is rarely appreciated by those who have it...

Now, judging by the grammar used in the review, this guy probably goes to the same school as Metball4. Maybe Metball could beat him up for us. Or at least take all of the pirated software out of the kid's backpack and destroy it.

Anyway. I'm having a crappy day.

Chappy · 04-17-2002, 04:01 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> ...and we dont like it either. <hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr /> I think its a cool game and should be given the credit that is due. <hr /></blockquote>Huh? Make up your mind.

And by the way, I'm 27 years old, what use do I have for maturity?

Dale · 04-17-2002, 04:10 AM

What i was trying to say was while i personally don't like the game It is not a bad game. I think the guy who made it put a lot of time into it and he deserves more credit. But then again i also think that all of your opinions are biased considering your addicted to the game. I cannot really blame you. And about the pirated software, We have rarely burned games. Usually it's just to test the online multiplayer aspects of the game. Also Shattered Galaxy is not a First Person Shooter, its a War Strategy game. So, all that about it being 3d graphics and what not is pointless. I think that Lon made up for his terrible review by changing it and giving it a little more credit. The man admited he was wrong what more can you guys ask for?

Henry · 04-17-2002, 04:14 AM

Easy Chappy

The guy took the time to stop by and try and explain the situation from his side. We stated we thought the game got a raw review, they changed the review but say they still don't like it, or at least a couple of them don't like it. I think we both came out of it ok - just don't want to see us get into a meaningless flame war. The review, as it stands is "average" or maybe a bit better - we shoud be able to live with that since most of the reviews - on average - have been far better.

Give the guys credit - they cared enough to take another look

[ 04-17-2002, 10:14 AM: Message edited by: Henry ]

Jason Moyer · 04-17-2002, 04:19 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DarkFudge:
Simple and basic moral responsibilities need to be excercised in society and if the basic guidelines of those responsiblities are just too difficult for some to figure out then they should simply move to the next easiest precaution....<hr /></blockquote>Defined by whom? In most societies, the government defines moral responsibilities via legislation. There is nothing illegal about being a bad journalist in this country (Limbaugh/O'Reilly/etc even make good livings at it). If there were, the entire staff of Fox News would be in jail.

The guy wrote a bad review. I am still not sure what the big deal is. Anyone with half a clue will read his review and realize it's full of ****. Seriously, there are so many badly written game reviews out there I'm amazed this one even caused a blip on anyone's radar, aside from maybe Markus and co.

Unconstructive criticism happens. You can either rail out against it, possibly making yourself look foolish in the process, or give it the ignoring that it deserves.

The one thing I'm wondering is how the community would respond to a constructively negative review.

Jason

Dale · 04-17-2002, 04:31 AM

Ha Ha, Good point Jason.

Kezzek · 04-17-2002, 04:36 AM

Heh, no need to get upset people. Do you know what it takes to set up a "Game Review Site"?

Basically, a domain name and an internet connection.

These types of sites are a dime a dozen. Anyone can call themselves a "game reviewer". It doesn't mean that they understand proper methods for game review, bias, or even grammar.

I consider myself pretty "aware" of the legitimate game review sites. I've never heard of Gamersmark.com. And based on the evidence in this thread, I'll likely never bother visiting.

Start worrying if you see a bad review from Gamespot, Avault, PC Gamer, Firing Squad, or the like. Until then, don't sweat it.

Hammer755 · 04-17-2002, 04:38 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jason Moyer:
There is nothing illegal about being a bad journalist in this country (Limbaugh/O'Reilly/etc even make good livings at it). If there were, the entire staff of Fox News would be in jail.
<hr /></blockquote>

As opposed to those bastions of truth at the Clinton News Network.

[ 04-17-2002, 10:38 AM: Message edited by: Hammer755 ]

Dale · 04-17-2002, 04:43 AM

Well, we are small and have a lot to learn. Also it takes a lot more than just a domain and a connection. It takes a lot of dedication and practice. Yes we are one of the small Fansites but one day we hope to get popular. We don't do it for money, or free games, we do it because it's something we find interesting. Most of us are highschoolers and have not had the privilage of takeing any decent english courses outside of the overall crappy public education system. I know that a few of us are terrible in english. But the site makes us want to learn. What is the harm in that? I mean IGN started out just as small as Gamersmark and look at them now. Everyone makes mistakes and i know we have made and will make many more. It's just part of the process.

Jason Moyer · 04-17-2002, 04:47 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Hammer755:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jason Moyer:
There is nothing illegal about being a bad journalist in this country (Limbaugh/O'Reilly/etc even make good livings at it). If there were, the entire staff of Fox News would be in jail.
<hr /></blockquote>

As opposed to those bastions of truth at the Clinton News Network.<hr /></blockquote>=)

Yes, they are awful too. Except for Wolf Blitzer. Don't mess with my boy Wolf.

Seriously, tho, in the last year even the big names have completely lost it. Tom Brokaw and Dan Rather are totally insane.

Jason

Chappy · 04-17-2002, 04:51 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Easy Chappy... <hr /></blockquote>Sorry Henry, just having a little fun!

So I think we're all in agreement now.

Sports games should be reviewed by sports fans. Anyone can start a website with a little dedication and time. People learn from mistakes and move on. Free speech is a basic human right worth protecting.

Ahh. It feels good to have this all out in the open.

Edited so I could give myself a higher rating!

[ 04-17-2002, 10:54 AM: Message edited by: Chappy ]

Dale · 04-17-2002, 04:51 AM

Hey, Dangit, Don't compare us to Bill O'reily, That guy is a complete ****** who refuses to listen to anyones opinion.

Anyone see the show about media currupting our youth? He broght on like 8 people all who brought up completly valid points, and at the end of the show he STILL insisted that there was no two sides to the story.

If we could make that much money for being twice as stupid that would be nice. Fact is, he was a rich guy with connections. Were not!

Jason Moyer · 04-17-2002, 04:53 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Dale:
Well, we are small and have a lot to learn. Also it takes a lot more than just a domain and a connection. It takes a lot of dedication and practice. Yes we are one of the small Fansites but one day we hope to get popular. We don't do it for money, or free games, we do it because it's something we find interesting. Most of us are highschoolers and have not had the privilage of takeing any decent english courses outside of the overall crappy public education system. I know that a few of us are terrible in english. But the site makes us want to learn. What is the harm in that? I mean IGN started out just as small as Gamersmark and look at them now. Everyone makes mistakes and i know we have made and will make many more. It's just part of the process.<hr /></blockquote>Looking for any reviewers? I've been trying to get a decent volunteer review gig for awhile now and I'd be highly interested in doing sports/simulations reviews.

Jason

04-16-2002, 06:03 PM	#42
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	I'd guess that website recieved a record amount of hits today. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

04-16-2002, 06:06 PM	#43
LMNt: The synthesized love machine Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 75	First of all. Let me make this clear, I respect your opinions, we all have a voice, and I don't want anything to come across as disrespectful. We are all friends here. The thought of people controlling what I am allowed to feel, and say, quite frankly, scares the hell out of me, and I pray that I may never have to live in a society that regulates my feelings. Morality differs from person to person almost an opinion. What you think of as immoral, may be the norm for me, and vise versa. For example, some peolpe believe working the sabath(saturday) is immoral, while I do not, Drinking to some, is immoral, and to others dancing, or movement of the hips, is immoral. It's all relative. __________________

04-16-2002, 06:30 PM	#45
poway-slugger Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Poway, CA Posts: 5	awful review- c __________________ "Hard work pays off in the future; laziness pays off now" - Bart J. Simpson

04-17-2002, 02:05 AM	#46
Psicosis Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 228	It's a terrible review, even in its current state(I didn't see it in its original form), but it's not a surprise when looking at the rest of the site. I have to agree with GiantsRule, too. Don't write off everyone under the age of 20 as a mindless, easily distracted goofball(there are plenty of those, too, however). I'm 16, and though I doubt there are many people my age who play OOTP, I somehow feel compelled to defend those in my age group. And don't knock GTA III. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> It's incredibly deep(I'm still finding new things six months later) and extremely fun. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">....Simple and basic moral responsibilities need to be excercised in society and if the basic guidelines of those responsiblities are just too difficult for some to figure out then they should simply move to the next easiest precaution....some common f#$&ing sense.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I agree that we should be responsible with what we say and do in public, but if you're suggesting that limitations on Free Speech would be a good idea, you're insane. It's your right to have that opinion, but it's my right to say you're a raving loonie. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

04-17-2002, 03:52 AM	#47
Dale Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 5	I would just like to say that i personally know the reviewer, He has long been a friend of mine. He is a good person and fairly intellegent too. Perhaps he was just really pissed at how dissapointing the game was to him. I downloaded the demo, along with Andy, and Robert and we dont like it either. Andy found it interesting until the lack of real players made him discredit it. I think its a cool game and should be given the credit that is due. Just because one person on our site dont like the game dont make him a bad person. He said he was sorry and re-done his review. Now if only you guys could be this mature. He said he would give the game another chance considering the large amount of feedback both for and against the game. You shouldnt judge the site just because of one person. Everyone at the site works hard and screws up at some time or another. It was a simple mistake of distributing the wrong game to the wrong person. We will try to fix that problem. We also do not blame anything other than code error for the problem with our forums. You guys did not cause it considering that you made up only a small fraction of our hits yesterday. Anyhow any feedback is good feedback, and if we make a mistake i hope someone like you guys step up to the plate and put us in our place. We do not do this for free games, or fame or glory, we do it because its fun, interesting, and you meet a lot of cool people. Well... i guess ill get off of here... -Dale aka Ryudo __________________ It's not that im lazy, Its that i just dont care!

04-16-2002, 05:57 PM	#41
DarkFudge Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 60	Freedom of Speech can be a very dangerous weapon in the hands of the wrong tongue Laws do not make things morally right....Responsible judgement should be taken before things are said, written, and/or jestured Open your mind....listen to music...and think before you say

04-16-2002, 06:26 PM	#44
DarkFudge Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 60	Please ...It's not necessary to defend your opposing views with a "we are all friends here..." statement. There was nothing said that would lead me to beleive otherwise. No one is asking to take away your thoughts, your beer, pot smoking or even your right to thrust your libido in a jirating motion in front of the mirror naked if that's what gets your monkey moving ....Simple and basic moral responsibilities need to be excercised in society and if the basic guidelines of those responsiblities are just too difficult for some to figure out then they should simply move to the next easiest precaution....some common f#$&ing sense. It's really not all that hard...even for loser like myself. Too many people use the liberties of our great nation as a floor mat to stand on when they spew their garbage carelessly and irresposibly to the world outside their door with no consideration for the ramifications of their actions.

04-17-2002, 03:56 AM	#48
Chappy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,721	Freedom is rarely appreciated by those who have it... Now, judging by the grammar used in the review, this guy probably goes to the same school as Metball4. Maybe Metball could beat him up for us. Or at least take all of the pirated software out of the kid's backpack and destroy it. Anyway. I'm having a crappy day. __________________ NPBL - Pennsylvania Freedom AFBL - North Carolina Aviators MLB-Pro - Kansas City Royals

04-17-2002, 04:01 AM	#49
Chappy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,721	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> ...and we dont like it either. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I think its a cool game and should be given the credit that is due. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Huh? Make up your mind. And by the way, I'm 27 years old, what use do I have for maturity? __________________ NPBL - Pennsylvania Freedom AFBL - North Carolina Aviators MLB-Pro - Kansas City Royals

04-17-2002, 04:10 AM	#50
Dale Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 5	What i was trying to say was while i personally don't like the game It is not a bad game. I think the guy who made it put a lot of time into it and he deserves more credit. But then again i also think that all of your opinions are biased considering your addicted to the game. I cannot really blame you. And about the pirated software, We have rarely burned games. Usually it's just to test the online multiplayer aspects of the game. Also Shattered Galaxy is not a First Person Shooter, its a War Strategy game. So, all that about it being 3d graphics and what not is pointless. I think that Lon made up for his terrible review by changing it and giving it a little more credit. The man admited he was wrong what more can you guys ask for? __________________ It's not that im lazy, Its that i just dont care!

04-17-2002, 04:14 AM	#51
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Easy Chappy The guy took the time to stop by and try and explain the situation from his side. We stated we thought the game got a raw review, they changed the review but say they still don't like it, or at least a couple of them don't like it. I think we both came out of it ok - just don't want to see us get into a meaningless flame war. The review, as it stands is "average" or maybe a bit better - we shoud be able to live with that since most of the reviews - on average - have been far better. Give the guys credit - they cared enough to take another look <small>[ 04-17-2002, 10:14 AM: Message edited by: Henry ]</small>

04-17-2002, 04:19 AM	#52
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,111	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by DarkFudge: <strong>Simple and basic moral responsibilities need to be excercised in society and if the basic guidelines of those responsiblities are just too difficult for some to figure out then they should simply move to the next easiest precaution....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Defined by whom? In most societies, the government defines moral responsibilities via legislation. There is nothing illegal about being a bad journalist in this country (Limbaugh/O'Reilly/etc even make good livings at it). If there were, the entire staff of Fox News would be in jail. The guy wrote a bad review. I am still not sure what the big deal is. Anyone with half a clue will read his review and realize it's full of ****. Seriously, there are so many badly written game reviews out there I'm amazed this one even caused a blip on anyone's radar, aside from maybe Markus and co. Unconstructive criticism happens. You can either rail out against it, possibly making yourself look foolish in the process, or give it the ignoring that it deserves. The one thing I'm wondering is how the community would respond to a constructively negative review. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

04-17-2002, 04:31 AM	#53
Dale Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 5	Ha Ha, Good point Jason. __________________ It's not that im lazy, Its that i just dont care!

04-17-2002, 04:36 AM	#54
Kezzek All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Keyboard - frantically typing in subtle insults to raise my self-esteem Posts: 973	Heh, no need to get upset people. Do you know what it takes to set up a "Game Review Site"? Basically, a domain name and an internet connection. These types of sites are a dime a dozen. Anyone can call themselves a "game reviewer". It doesn't mean that they understand proper methods for game review, bias, or even grammar. I consider myself pretty "aware" of the legitimate game review sites. I've never heard of Gamersmark.com. And based on the evidence in this thread, I'll likely never bother visiting. Start worrying if you see a bad review from Gamespot, Avault, PC Gamer, Firing Squad, or the like. Until then, don't sweat it. __________________ - Kez, P.E.

04-17-2002, 04:38 AM	#55
Hammer755 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,348	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Jason Moyer: <strong>There is nothing illegal about being a bad journalist in this country (Limbaugh/O'Reilly/etc even make good livings at it). If there were, the entire staff of Fox News would be in jail. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> As opposed to those bastions of truth at the Clinton News Network. <small>[ 04-17-2002, 10:38 AM: Message edited by: Hammer755 ]</small>

04-17-2002, 04:43 AM	#56
Dale Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 5	Well, we are small and have a lot to learn. Also it takes a lot more than just a domain and a connection. It takes a lot of dedication and practice. Yes we are one of the small Fansites but one day we hope to get popular. We don't do it for money, or free games, we do it because it's something we find interesting. Most of us are highschoolers and have not had the privilage of takeing any decent english courses outside of the overall crappy public education system. I know that a few of us are terrible in english. But the site makes us want to learn. What is the harm in that? I mean IGN started out just as small as Gamersmark and look at them now. Everyone makes mistakes and i know we have made and will make many more. It's just part of the process. __________________ It's not that im lazy, Its that i just dont care!

04-17-2002, 04:47 AM	#57
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,111	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Hammer755: <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Jason Moyer: <strong>There is nothing illegal about being a bad journalist in this country (Limbaugh/O'Reilly/etc even make good livings at it). If there were, the entire staff of Fox News would be in jail. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> As opposed to those bastions of truth at the Clinton News Network.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">=) Yes, they are awful too. Except for Wolf Blitzer. Don't mess with my boy Wolf. Seriously, tho, in the last year even the big names have completely lost it. Tom Brokaw and Dan Rather are totally insane. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

04-17-2002, 04:51 AM	#58
Chappy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,721	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Easy Chappy... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Sorry Henry, just having a little fun! So I think we're all in agreement now. Sports games should be reviewed by sports fans. Anyone can start a website with a little dedication and time. People learn from mistakes and move on. Free speech is a basic human right worth protecting. Ahh. It feels good to have this all out in the open. Edited so I could give myself a higher rating! <small>[ 04-17-2002, 10:54 AM: Message edited by: Chappy ]</small> __________________ NPBL - Pennsylvania Freedom AFBL - North Carolina Aviators MLB-Pro - Kansas City Royals

04-17-2002, 04:53 AM	#60
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,111	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Dale: <strong>Well, we are small and have a lot to learn. Also it takes a lot more than just a domain and a connection. It takes a lot of dedication and practice. Yes we are one of the small Fansites but one day we hope to get popular. We don't do it for money, or free games, we do it because it's something we find interesting. Most of us are highschoolers and have not had the privilage of takeing any decent english courses outside of the overall crappy public education system. I know that a few of us are terrible in english. But the site makes us want to learn. What is the harm in that? I mean IGN started out just as small as Gamersmark and look at them now. Everyone makes mistakes and i know we have made and will make many more. It's just part of the process.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Looking for any reviewers? I've been trying to get a decent volunteer review gig for awhile now and I'd be highly interested in doing sports/simulations reviews. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech