Help with historical dynasty league: Wanted 1980s MLB Baseball Fans - Page 3

Jcrmoon42 · 01-06-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillieFever

The beginning of the Phillies 25

Dutch Daulton
Lance Parrish
Pete Rose
John Kruk
Juan Samuel
Ryne Sandberg
Julio Franco
Gary Matthews
Dale Murphy
Lenny Dykstra
Al Oliver
Lonnie Smith
Von Hayes
Glenn Wilson
Bake Mcbride
Greg Gross
John Denny
Dave Stewart
Terry Mulholland
Steve Bedrosian
Al Holland
Kevin Gross
Curt Schilling
Dick Ruthven
Willie Hernandez

So, you did decide to include Rose even though he is an old man by 1980. Interesting choice.

railroad_ross · 01-06-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jcrmoon42

It isn't that hard. I used The Baseball Cube. They give year by year organizational rosters for every team. You can see all the players in the majors and minors for every team every season.

I guess it just seems silly that a guy like Vinny Castilla is going to get drafted in the next 10 years, but the Braves didn't get a chance to protect him. Of course, it is your league. You can do what you want!

Ah yes, that site will do it... but I hate the interface there. It's hell navagating that place.

snip... nevermind change my mind again.

I think my work-around for this will be the first round of the draft in which teams have exclusivity to players that played in their organization.

railroad_ross · 01-07-2009, 12:28 AM

Ok here goes for the California Angels:

1. Carney Lansford
2. Dickie Thon
3. Johnny Ray
4. Jason Thompson
5. Frank Tanana
6. Lance Parrish
7. Fred Lynn
8. Tom Brunansky
9. Burt Blyleven
10. Don Baylor
11. Mike Witt
12. Brian Harper
13. Mark Langston
14. Geoff Zahn
15. Reggie Jackson
16. Doug DeCines
17. Devon White
18. Dave Winfield
19. Wally Joyner
20. Chuck Finley
21. Jim Abbott
22. Tony Armas
23. Bill Buckner
24. Dante Bichette
25. Chili Davis

Others considered:
Kirk McCaskill
Ron Romanick
Don Sutton
Al Holland
Jerry Ruess
Brian Harvey
Juan Beniquez
Dan Petry
Donnie Moore
Rick Burleson
Claudell Washington
Mark McLemore
George Hendrick
Ken Forsch

railroad_ross · 01-07-2009, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jcrmoon42

So, you did decide to include Rose even though he is an old man by 1980. Interesting choice.

Also Curt Schilling needs to come off of this list as he didn't play for the Phillies in the 1980-1990 time period. I'll add Tom Herr, Dickie Thon or Ken Howell to the list in his place if I don't hear back from you.

railroad_ross · 01-07-2009, 01:42 AM

San Diego Padres:
1. Ozzie Smith
2. Dave Winfield
3. Rollie Fingers
4. Eric Show
5. Gary Templeton
6. Sixto Lezcano
7. Tony Gwynn
8. Luis DeLeon
9. Dave Dravecky
10. Gary Lucas
11. Steve Garvey
12. Kevin McReynolds
13. Ed Whitson
14. Rich Gossage
15. La Marr Hoyt
16. John Kruk
17. Benito Santiago
18. Kevin Mitchell
19. Roberto Alomar
20. Jack Clark
21. Andy Benes
22. Fred Lynn
23. Bruce Hurst
24. Joe Carter
25. Bip Roberts

Others Considered:
John Montefusco
Sid Monge
Carmelo Martinez
Mark Davis
Sandy Alomar
Andy Hawkins
Gene Richards
Mark Thurmond
Dennis Rasmussen

railroad_ross · 01-07-2009, 02:17 AM

Just a status update. With only 10 of the 26 protection lists in there are 34 players that will enter the draft, 5 of which where "protected" by more than one team. At this rate somewhere around 120 players will be eligible in the draft, making it a 4-5 round affair. I think this will make for an interesting draft.

Splitter24 · 01-07-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Moriarty9

Just now got a real idea as to what you mean by your plan. I saw Jay Buhner and Fred McGriff for the Yankees and was about to argue they shouldn't be included until I saw you're looking for when guys were drafted as well.

In that event, I'd have to throw Jeff Bagwell (drafted '89) and Curt Schilling ('86) for Boston, as well as Mo Vaughn ('89), maybe Tim Naehring ('88), definitely John Valentin ('88), and possibly Scott Cooper ('86).

You can add Brady Anderson and Josias Manzanillo (if you really need the bullpen help) to the Red Sox list as well. They may want to put in a claim for Mike Boddicker to help out the rotation, too.

railroad_ross · 01-07-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Splitter24

You can add Brady Anderson and Josias Manzanillo (if you really need the bullpen help) to the Red Sox list as well. They may want to put in a claim for Mike Boddicker to help out the rotation, too.

Without doing Bostons list yet, I'm 99% sure Brady Anderson and Mike Boddicker will be protected.

GCCWolverine · 01-07-2009, 12:11 PM

I decided to waste some of my lunch break and come up with a Toronto list:

C: Pat Borders, Ernie Whitt
IF: John Olerud, Fred McGriff, Cecil Fielder, Damaso Garcia, Kelly Gruber, Tony Fernandez, Rance Mullinks
OF: George Bell, Lloyd Moseby, Jesse Barfield, Al Oliver, Mookie Wilson
P: Jimmy Key, John Candelaria, Doyle Alexander, Mike Flanagan, Tom Henke, Duane Ward, Mark Eichhorn, Al Leiter, David Wells, Phil Niekro, Bud Black

Pretty slim pickings, but some talent that got cups of coffee. Also, Dave Stieb would automatically be protected, since he was on Toronto in 1980, and didn't leave until 1992, correct?

railroad_ross · 01-07-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GCCWolverine

I decided to waste some of my lunch break and come up with a Toronto list:

C: Pat Borders, Ernie Whitt
IF: John Olerud, Fred McGriff, Cecil Fielder, Damaso Garcia, Kelly Gruber, Tony Fernandez, Rance Mullinks
OF: George Bell, Lloyd Moseby, Jesse Barfield, Al Oliver, Mookie Wilson
P: Jimmy Key, John Candelaria, Doyle Alexander, Mike Flanagan, Tom Henke, Duane Ward, Mark Eichhorn, Al Leiter, David Wells, Phil Niekro, Bud Black

Pretty slim pickings, but some talent that got cups of coffee. Also, Dave Stieb would automatically be protected, since he was on Toronto in 1980, and didn't leave until 1992, correct?

Correct about Stieb. Looks like a pretty solid list to me. 11 or more of those players will end up as free agents. Which isn't all bad since the more you have the higher the draft selection.

Jcrmoon42 · 01-07-2009, 02:41 PM

Looks like some folks are still putting together teams rather than a "best 25".

Here are the Houston Astros. It is very heavy on pitching. Not a lot of hitters to choose from. Some of the hitters you may associate with the Astros were actually not very good.

1. Joe Sambito
2. Luis DeLeon
3. Larry Andersen
4. Nolan Ryan
5. Ken Forsch
6. Bill Dawley
7. Mike Scott
8. Joaquin Andujar
9. Rick Rhoden
10. Jerry Reuss
11. Bob Knepper
12. Vern Ruhle
13. Dan Schatzeder
14. Bob Forsch
15. Danny Darwin
16. Eric Rasmussen
17. Bill Gullickson
18. Luis Gonzalez
19. Joe Morgan
20. Craig Biggio
21. Ken Caminiti
22. Cesar Cedeno
23. Jose Cruz
24. Dan Driessen
25. Buddy Bell

Others considered:
Don Sutton
Aurelio Lopez
Joe Niekro
Randy Moffitt
Steve Henderson
Mike Ivie
Jerry Mumphrey
Kevin Bass
Bill Doran
Johnny Ray
Jeffrey Leonard

railroad_ross · 01-07-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jcrmoon42

Looks like some folks are still putting together teams rather than a "best 25".

Here are the Houston Astros. It is very heavy on pitching. Not a lot of hitters to choose from. Some of the hitters you may associate with the Astros were actually not very good.

I'm surprised hitters like Ray, Leonard and Bass missed the cut. But, I think we have had the same thought process, heavy on pitching and choosing only the cream of the crop for hitters. Thanks for the help Jcrmoon42.

railroad_ross · 01-07-2009, 04:29 PM

Here are the Chicago White Sox. Somebody help me name the 25th man, I was leaning towards Floyd Bannister of all people.

1. Harold Baines
2. Chet Lemon
3. Claudel Washington
4. Steve Trout
5. Rich Dotson
6. Greg Luzinski
7. Carlton Fisk
8. Steve Kemp
9. Ozzie Guillen
10. Bobby Bonilla
11. Ivan Calderon
12. George Foster
13. Steve Carlton
14. Tom Seaver
15. Jose DeLeon
16. Bobby Thigpen
17. Jack McDowell
18. Jerry Ruess
19. Sammy Sosa
20. Robin Ventura
21. Melido Perez
22. Frank Thomas
23. Alex Fernandez
24. Ron Kittle
25.

And the rest:
Lance Johnson
Floyd Bannister
Vance Law
Bill Almond
Greg Walker
Dennis Lamp
Scott Fetcher
Gary Redus
Greg Hibbard
Eric King

Jcrmoon42 · 01-07-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by railroad_ross

I'm surprised hitters like Ray, Leonard and Bass missed the cut. But, I think we have had the same thought process, heavy on pitching and choosing only the cream of the crop for hitters. Thanks for the help Jcrmoon42.

I would have expected they would as well, but they just weren't as good as I remembered them being. Ray is remembered because of his good rookie season. He had good contact, but was pretty underwhelming overall. Leonard is remembered for going "flaps down" and being a surly character. However, other than a couple of decent years in San Fran, he was a pretty ordinary hitter for a corner outfielder. Kevin Bass had a couple of good years with the Stros, but overall he was largely a platoon player with pretty ordinary numbers.

Jcrmoon42 · 01-07-2009, 07:15 PM

I love One Dog, but he was a speed and defense guy without much else. There were better pitchers than Bannister, but he is probably also selected by the Mariners, giving the Sox a better draft spot.

Jcrmoon42 · 01-07-2009, 07:16 PM

I figure if I'm going to select a player who can't be protected by any other team, he'd better be very, very good, because I'm basically giving up draft spots to get him. With the draft as full as it is going to be, that doesn't make a lot of sense unless the guy you are keeping is a difference maker.

railroad_ross · 01-07-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jcrmoon42

I figure if I'm going to select a player who can't be protected by any other team, he'd better be very, very good, because I'm basically giving up draft spots to get him. With the draft as full as it is going to be, that doesn't make a lot of sense unless the guy you are keeping is a difference maker.

Those are my thoughts as well. Spot on with all three of the above posts.

railroad_ross · 01-08-2009, 04:08 PM

Baltimore Cookie Birds:
Eddie Murray
Doug DeCinces
Mike Boddicker
Dennis Martinez
Cal Rikpen
Storm Davis
Scot McGregor
Fred Lynn
Terry Kennedy
Ray Knight
Jose Mesa
Mickey Tettleton
Brady Anderson
Pete Harnisch
Mike Morgan
Curt Schilling
Steve Finley
Chris Hoiles
Ben McDonald
David Segui
Ron Kittle
Greg Olson
Keith Moreland
Lee Lacey
Mike Flanagan

usualsuspect · 01-08-2009, 05:42 PM

Cubs list:

1. Dave Kingman
2. Bruce Sutter
3. Bill Buckner
4. Lee Smith
5. Ryne Sandberg
6. Andre Dawson
7. Rick Sutcliffe
8. Mark Grace
9. Dennis Eckersley
10. Greg Maddux
11. Scott Sanderson
12. Steve Trout
13. Shawon Dunston
14. Leon Durham
15. Jamie Moyer
16. Rafael Palmerio
17. Goose Gossage
18. Rick Reuschel
19. Pat Tabler
20. Mitch Williams
21. Joe Carter
22. Willie Hernandez
23. Steve Henderson
24. Gary Mathews
25. Ron Cey

Might have missed a few, but that's what i got. Thought it would be more imprssive than this.

Would Grace and Maddux need to be on the list, since they didn't play for any other team in the 80's?

railroad_ross · 01-08-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by usualsuspect

Cubs list:
Might have missed a few, but that's what i got. Thought it would be more imprssive than this.

Would Grace and Maddux need to be on the list, since they didn't play for any other team in the 80's?

Dear Keyser Söze-
Grace and Maddux would need to be on the list. However, Martz would not as he played on the Cubs in 1980 and never played for another team.

Here are some players to consider for that spot:
Rick Reuchel
Pat Tabler
Steve Henderson
Jody Davis
Ron Cey
Keith Moreland
Gary Mathews
Bob Tewksbury

Also I suggest removing Terry Francona, Joe Turdradi and Larry Bowa. Had these guy not been managers they would not have made your list I think.

01-07-2009, 12:28 AM	#43
railroad_ross Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 270	Ok here goes for the California Angels: 1. Carney Lansford 2. Dickie Thon 3. Johnny Ray 4. Jason Thompson 5. Frank Tanana 6. Lance Parrish 7. Fred Lynn 8. Tom Brunansky 9. Burt Blyleven 10. Don Baylor 11. Mike Witt 12. Brian Harper 13. Mark Langston 14. Geoff Zahn 15. Reggie Jackson 16. Doug DeCines 17. Devon White 18. Dave Winfield 19. Wally Joyner 20. Chuck Finley 21. Jim Abbott 22. Tony Armas 23. Bill Buckner 24. Dante Bichette 25. Chili Davis Others considered: Kirk McCaskill Ron Romanick Don Sutton Al Holland Jerry Ruess Brian Harvey Juan Beniquez Dan Petry Donnie Moore Rick Burleson Claudell Washington Mark McLemore George Hendrick Ken Forsch __________________ Ross Grooters Owner, New York Knights, TTBL

01-07-2009, 01:42 AM	#45
railroad_ross Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 270	San Diego Padres: 1. Ozzie Smith 2. Dave Winfield 3. Rollie Fingers 4. Eric Show 5. Gary Templeton 6. Sixto Lezcano 7. Tony Gwynn 8. Luis DeLeon 9. Dave Dravecky 10. Gary Lucas 11. Steve Garvey 12. Kevin McReynolds 13. Ed Whitson 14. Rich Gossage 15. La Marr Hoyt 16. John Kruk 17. Benito Santiago 18. Kevin Mitchell 19. Roberto Alomar 20. Jack Clark 21. Andy Benes 22. Fred Lynn 23. Bruce Hurst 24. Joe Carter 25. Bip Roberts Others Considered: John Montefusco Sid Monge Carmelo Martinez Mark Davis Sandy Alomar Andy Hawkins Gene Richards Mark Thurmond Dennis Rasmussen __________________ Ross Grooters Owner, New York Knights, TTBL

01-07-2009, 02:17 AM	#46
railroad_ross Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 270	Just a status update. With only 10 of the 26 protection lists in there are 34 players that will enter the draft, 5 of which where "protected" by more than one team. At this rate somewhere around 120 players will be eligible in the draft, making it a 4-5 round affair. I think this will make for an interesting draft. __________________ Ross Grooters Owner, New York Knights, TTBL

01-07-2009, 12:11 PM	#49
GCCWolverine Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Amherst, NY Posts: 145	I decided to waste some of my lunch break and come up with a Toronto list: C: Pat Borders, Ernie Whitt IF: John Olerud, Fred McGriff, Cecil Fielder, Damaso Garcia, Kelly Gruber, Tony Fernandez, Rance Mullinks OF: George Bell, Lloyd Moseby, Jesse Barfield, Al Oliver, Mookie Wilson P: Jimmy Key, John Candelaria, Doyle Alexander, Mike Flanagan, Tom Henke, Duane Ward, Mark Eichhorn, Al Leiter, David Wells, Phil Niekro, Bud Black Pretty slim pickings, but some talent that got cups of coffee. Also, Dave Stieb would automatically be protected, since he was on Toronto in 1980, and didn't leave until 1992, correct? Last edited by GCCWolverine; 01-07-2009 at 12:21 PM.

01-07-2009, 04:29 PM	#53
railroad_ross Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 270	Here are the Chicago White Sox. Somebody help me name the 25th man, I was leaning towards Floyd Bannister of all people. 1. Harold Baines 2. Chet Lemon 3. Claudel Washington 4. Steve Trout 5. Rich Dotson 6. Greg Luzinski 7. Carlton Fisk 8. Steve Kemp 9. Ozzie Guillen 10. Bobby Bonilla 11. Ivan Calderon 12. George Foster 13. Steve Carlton 14. Tom Seaver 15. Jose DeLeon 16. Bobby Thigpen 17. Jack McDowell 18. Jerry Ruess 19. Sammy Sosa 20. Robin Ventura 21. Melido Perez 22. Frank Thomas 23. Alex Fernandez 24. Ron Kittle 25. And the rest: Lance Johnson Floyd Bannister Vance Law Bill Almond Greg Walker Dennis Lamp Scott Fetcher Gary Redus Greg Hibbard Eric King __________________ Ross Grooters Owner, New York Knights, TTBL

01-07-2009, 02:41 PM	#51
Jcrmoon42 Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lancaster, Pennsylvania Posts: 19	Looks like some folks are still putting together teams rather than a "best 25". Here are the Houston Astros. It is very heavy on pitching. Not a lot of hitters to choose from. Some of the hitters you may associate with the Astros were actually not very good. 1. Joe Sambito 2. Luis DeLeon 3. Larry Andersen 4. Nolan Ryan 5. Ken Forsch 6. Bill Dawley 7. Mike Scott 8. Joaquin Andujar 9. Rick Rhoden 10. Jerry Reuss 11. Bob Knepper 12. Vern Ruhle 13. Dan Schatzeder 14. Bob Forsch 15. Danny Darwin 16. Eric Rasmussen 17. Bill Gullickson 18. Luis Gonzalez 19. Joe Morgan 20. Craig Biggio 21. Ken Caminiti 22. Cesar Cedeno 23. Jose Cruz 24. Dan Driessen 25. Buddy Bell Others considered: Don Sutton Aurelio Lopez Joe Niekro Randy Moffitt Steve Henderson Mike Ivie Jerry Mumphrey Kevin Bass Bill Doran Johnny Ray Jeffrey Leonard

01-07-2009, 07:15 PM	#55
Jcrmoon42 Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lancaster, Pennsylvania Posts: 19	I love One Dog, but he was a speed and defense guy without much else. There were better pitchers than Bannister, but he is probably also selected by the Mariners, giving the Sox a better draft spot.

01-07-2009, 07:16 PM	#56
Jcrmoon42 Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lancaster, Pennsylvania Posts: 19	I figure if I'm going to select a player who can't be protected by any other team, he'd better be very, very good, because I'm basically giving up draft spots to get him. With the draft as full as it is going to be, that doesn't make a lot of sense unless the guy you are keeping is a difference maker.

01-08-2009, 04:08 PM	#58
railroad_ross Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 270	Baltimore Cookie Birds: Eddie Murray Doug DeCinces Mike Boddicker Dennis Martinez Cal Rikpen Storm Davis Scot McGregor Fred Lynn Terry Kennedy Ray Knight Jose Mesa Mickey Tettleton Brady Anderson Pete Harnisch Mike Morgan Curt Schilling Steve Finley Chris Hoiles Ben McDonald David Segui Ron Kittle Greg Olson Keith Moreland Lee Lacey Mike Flanagan __________________ Ross Grooters Owner, New York Knights, TTBL

01-08-2009, 05:42 PM	#59
usualsuspect Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 24	Cubs list: 1. Dave Kingman 2. Bruce Sutter 3. Bill Buckner 4. Lee Smith 5. Ryne Sandberg 6. Andre Dawson 7. Rick Sutcliffe 8. Mark Grace 9. Dennis Eckersley 10. Greg Maddux 11. Scott Sanderson 12. Steve Trout 13. Shawon Dunston 14. Leon Durham 15. Jamie Moyer 16. Rafael Palmerio 17. Goose Gossage 18. Rick Reuschel 19. Pat Tabler 20. Mitch Williams 21. Joe Carter 22. Willie Hernandez 23. Steve Henderson 24. Gary Mathews 25. Ron Cey Might have missed a few, but that's what i got. Thought it would be more imprssive than this. Would Grace and Maddux need to be on the list, since they didn't play for any other team in the 80's? Last edited by usualsuspect; 01-08-2009 at 08:12 PM.