Pete Rose Admits to Betting on Baseball - Page 3

Jason Moyer · 03-14-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

I fixed that for you.

Ron Santo was a better player than Pete Rose.

Skipaway · 03-14-2007, 11:54 PM

In a way, Pete Rose is not forgotten yet because he's not in the Hall of Fame.

APujols5 · 03-15-2007, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Ron Santo was a better player than Pete Rose.

Ron Santo couldn't carry Rose's jock strap

His Own Bad Self · 03-15-2007, 12:13 AM

Ty Cobb was not a good person. Babe Ruth was not a good person. Ted Williams was a jerk. Rogers Hornsby was a jerk. Cap Anson was a racist jerk. Bob Gibson had a mean streak. Barry Bonds, we all know about. Being a <bleep> doesn't keep a player out of the Hall of Fame.

There are (as far as I know) only two players who earned their way out of the Hall of Fame because they gambled on baseball games that they had a personal part in: Joe Jackson and Pete Rose. It's good that such players, as much as they achieved, have not been held above the law, because the law would be worthless otherwise. And if Pete Rose wanted to be in the Hall of Fame so badly, maybe he shouldn't have gambled on baseball games in the first place. He gambled on games that he had direct influence on and knowledge about, despite the precedent already laid down with Jackson and the Black Sox, and he got caught. That's his fault, and no one owes him a thing. He cared more about his own interests than baseball's collective interest, and MLB has the right to do the same for itself.

Luis_Rivera · 03-15-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

Ron Santo couldn't carry Rose's jock strap

I'm not sure why he'd want to

Kekkonen · 03-15-2007, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

I have a hard time believing he bet his team to win EVERY DAY. Not a very smart gambler if that's the case.

As Skipaway already said, that's the only thing he can say. That's the only way he can keep claiming that he managed solely to win games while laying down the bets. Anything else -- betting only on some days, or sometimes to win, sometimes to lose -- and he's managing to win bets instead of games.

Jason Moyer · 03-15-2007, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

Ron Santo couldn't carry Rose's jock strap

Pete Rose was a great player. It doesn't change the fact that he couldn't hold a candle to how good Santo was from 63-68. Or that he's an admitted cheater who bet on baseball.

AnotherAlias · 03-15-2007, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TurnTwo

Probably has to do with this being a fundamental no-no posted in every locker room in the majors. No gambling.

I wouldn't be said if he gets in, but I thoroughly see the logic in keeping him out.

TurnTwo?

Who is this mysterious person?

Muppetus Galacticus · 03-15-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

TurnTwo?

Who is this mysterious person?

Zorro?
Bruce Wayne?
Sarge?
Rosemary, the telephone operator?
Penry, the mild, mannered janitor?
phesta?

RonCo · 03-15-2007, 08:37 AM

The Rose Time Machine...

"I don't have a gambling problem...I mean, er, sure, ok, I placed a bet every now and then...oh...right...er...I bet on other sports a lot, but never, ever on baseball...I mean...uhhh...well, the few times I _did_ bet on baseball I never bet on the Reds...well...er...it must have slipped my mind because now that I think about it I remember I bet on the Reds every day, but only to win...er...uhhh..."

[To be continued]

Tribe Fan 24 · 03-15-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RonCo

The Rose Time Machine...

"I don't have a gambling problem...I mean, er, sure, ok, I placed a bet every now and then...oh...right...er...I bet on other sports a lot, but never, ever on baseball...I mean...uhhh...well, the few times I _did_ bet on baseball I never bet on the Reds...well...er...it must have slipped my mind because now that I think about it I remember I bet on the Reds every day, but only to win...er...uhhh..."

[To be continued]

Pretty much accurate.

APujols5 · 03-15-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Pete Rose was a great player. It doesn't change the fact that he couldn't hold a candle to how good Santo was from 63-68. Or that he's an admitted cheater who bet on baseball.

LOL Santo couldn't hold a candle to Rose even in his best season.

darkhorse · 03-15-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

LOL Santo couldn't hold a candle to Rose even in his best season.

It's a catch-22. If APujols5 were sharp enough to make an intelligent argument for the above statement, he wouldn't have that opinion in the first place.

The Professor · 03-15-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

LOL I don't really have a clue about the history of baseball or about intelligently measuring players.

If I had a lineup composed entirely of Ron Santo's from 1963-1967 and you had a similar lineup composed of eight career average Pete Rose's, I guarantee you I'd win.

Using numbers you can understand, I'd have a lineup of guys who hit .300, play Gold Glove defense (at third base, at least), hit 30 HR with 100 RBI, while drawing nearly 100 walks. They also each score almost 80-100 runs per year.

You'd have a lineup of .300 hitters with gap power, 7 home runs 15 at best, 70 RBI if you are lucky, a few stolen bases, with 50-60 walks and 90-100 runs.

Even using this weak form of comparison, Rose is a Hall of Fame-caliber player who doesn't "hold a candle" to Ron Santo at his peak.

Jason · 03-15-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

If I had a lineup composed entirely of Ron Santo's from 1963-1967 and you had a similar lineup composed of eight career average Pete Rose's, I guarantee you I'd win.

Using numbers you can understand, I'd have a lineup of guys who hit .300, play Gold Glove defense (at third base, at least), hit 30 HR with 100 RBI, while drawing nearly 100 walks. They also each score almost 80-100 runs per year.

You'd have a lineup of .300 hitters with gap power, 7 home runs 15 at best, 70 RBI if you are lucky, a few stolen bases, with 50-60 walks and 90-100 runs.

Even using this weak form of comparison, Rose is a Hall of Fame-caliber player who doesn't "hold a candle" to Ron Santo at his peak.

Well said.

CBL-Commish · 03-15-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

If I had a lineup composed entirely of Ron Santo's from 1963-1967 and you had a similar lineup composed of eight career average Pete Rose's, I guarantee you I'd win.

Using numbers you can understand, I'd have a lineup of guys who hit .300, play Gold Glove defense (at third base, at least), hit 30 HR with 100 RBI, while drawing nearly 100 walks. They also each score almost 80-100 runs per year.

You'd have a lineup of .300 hitters with gap power, 7 home runs 15 at best, 70 RBI if you are lucky, a few stolen bases, with 50-60 walks and 90-100 runs.

Even using this weak form of comparison, Rose is a Hall of Fame-caliber player who doesn't "hold a candle" to Ron Santo at his peak.

Well sure. But Santo didn't sprint to first, clapping his hands and pumping his fists in a manic fit of greenie-fueled insanity after each and every one of those walks. Pete did, so he's clearly superior.

magnet · 03-15-2007, 12:19 PM

If you think Pete Rose deserves to be in the HoF but Santo doesn't, please leave your baseball fan card at the door when you leave. TIA!

sporr · 03-15-2007, 12:25 PM

The Dowd report clearly shows that Rose didn't bet on every game. Not that I needed to state this for you to know that Rose lies.

Luis_Rivera · 03-15-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

Well sure. But Santo didn't sprint to first, clapping his hands and pumping his fists in a manic fit of greenie-fueled insanity after each and every one of those walks. Pete did, so he's clearly superior.

That and he had to win, MAN! Pete just HAD to win! Just ask Ray Fosse. Man, that game didn't even mean anything to the rest of us, but it did to Pete! Pete was just such a FIERCE competitor that he was willing to break someone's jaw and derail their career to WIN an exhibition game! Yea, Pete was a winner. Not like that glass jaw, Ray Fosse. If he was a REAL WINNER then he'd have seen Charlie Hustle barreling down that line and would have delivered a forearm shivv to Pete's jaw. But even then, Ray would have been left with a broken arm because Pete's jaw is made of fortitude and BALLS. Not like that pansy Ray Fosse and his stupid breakable human jaw.

Chappy · 03-15-2007, 12:40 PM

So, let me get this straight...

1. Pete Rose swears he never bet on baseball

2. Pete Rose admits he bet on baseball but denies betting on the Reds ("coincidently" when a book was being released)

3. Pete Rose admits he bet on the Reds, but that he bet on the Reds all the time ("coincidently" when a Pete Rose exhibit was opening)

...so, we can assume that next will be...

4. Pete Rose admits he bet on the Reds some days and not on others

...and then...

5. Pete Rose admits he bet on the Reds some days and against them on others

03-14-2007, 11:54 PM	#42
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	In a way, Pete Rose is not forgotten yet because he's not in the Hall of Fame. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

03-15-2007, 12:13 AM	#44
His Own Bad Self All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,221	Ty Cobb was not a good person. Babe Ruth was not a good person. Ted Williams was a jerk. Rogers Hornsby was a jerk. Cap Anson was a racist jerk. Bob Gibson had a mean streak. Barry Bonds, we all know about. Being a <bleep> doesn't keep a player out of the Hall of Fame. There are (as far as I know) only two players who earned their way out of the Hall of Fame because they gambled on baseball games that they had a personal part in: Joe Jackson and Pete Rose. It's good that such players, as much as they achieved, have not been held above the law, because the law would be worthless otherwise. And if Pete Rose wanted to be in the Hall of Fame so badly, maybe he shouldn't have gambled on baseball games in the first place. He gambled on games that he had direct influence on and knowledge about, despite the precedent already laid down with Jackson and the Black Sox, and he got caught. That's his fault, and no one owes him a thing. He cared more about his own interests than baseball's collective interest, and MLB has the right to do the same for itself. Last edited by His Own Bad Self; 03-15-2007 at 12:14 AM.

03-15-2007, 12:40 PM	#60
Chappy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,721	So, let me get this straight... 1. Pete Rose swears he never bet on baseball 2. Pete Rose admits he bet on baseball but denies betting on the Reds ("coincidently" when a book was being released) 3. Pete Rose admits he bet on the Reds, but that he bet on the Reds all the time ("coincidently" when a Pete Rose exhibit was opening) ...so, we can assume that next will be... 4. Pete Rose admits he bet on the Reds some days and not on others ...and then... 5. Pete Rose admits he bet on the Reds some days and against them on others __________________ NPBL - Pennsylvania Freedom AFBL - North Carolina Aviators MLB-Pro - Kansas City Royals

03-15-2007, 08:37 AM	#50
RonCo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10,378	The Rose Time Machine... "I don't have a gambling problem...I mean, er, sure, ok, I placed a bet every now and then...oh...right...er...I bet on other sports a lot, but never, ever on baseball...I mean...uhhh...well, the few times I _did_ bet on baseball I never bet on the Reds...well...er...it must have slipped my mind because now that I think about it I remember I bet on the Reds every day, but only to win...er...uhhh..." [To be continued]

03-15-2007, 12:19 PM	#57
magnet Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,029	If you think Pete Rose deserves to be in the HoF but Santo doesn't, please leave your baseball fan card at the door when you leave. TIA!

03-15-2007, 12:25 PM	#58
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	The Dowd report clearly shows that Rose didn't bet on every game. Not that I needed to state this for you to know that Rose lies.