Ozzie Guillen = TOOL - Page 3

dsvitak · 07-11-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Ok. It is for all-stars. What makes an all-star? One good half season?

Thats all it took to proclaim Derrek Lee as one of the greatest players of all time.

Friggin' lifetime .276 hitter.

Jonzard · 07-11-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

Thats all it took to proclaim Derrek Lee as one of the greatest players of all time.

Friggin' lifetime .276 hitter.

Who proclaimed that?

blgoblue2 · 07-11-2006, 11:00 PM

He's an *******, its bull**** how Leyland, the front runner for Manager of the Year, the Manager of the Best Team in Baseball, and a guy from Pittsburgh doesnt get picked. **** Ozzie Guilen

Jonzard · 07-11-2006, 11:02 PM

Managers are not picked. They get to manage because they were in the world series last year.

blgoblue2 · 07-11-2006, 11:09 PM

Managers get picked for coaches, over Wedge/Gibbons

JDOldSchool · 07-11-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blgoblue2

He's an *******, its bull**** how Leyland, the front runner for Manager of the Year, the Manager of the Best Team in Baseball, and a guy from Pittsburgh doesnt get picked. **** Ozzie Guilen

Have we really gotten to the point where we're complaining about which COACHES get into the All-Star game?

Starshadow · 07-12-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by blgoblue2

He's an *******, its bull**** how Leyland, the front runner for Manager of the Year, the Manager of the Best Team in Baseball, and a guy from Pittsburgh doesnt get picked. **** Ozzie Guilen

Actually, Leyland was asked to be a coach, but declined. He felt that someone else should have the chance instead of someone who had been out of managing for six years.

jaxmagicman · 07-12-2006, 09:57 AM

Phil Garner is a tool. You want to know why you lost? Because you didn't play your best players.

canadiancreed · 07-12-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonzard

Who proclaimed that?

someone very stupid

marc · 07-12-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Have we really gotten to the point where we're complaining about which COACHES get into the All-Star game?

No just him.

Andy · 07-12-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Phil Garner is a tool. You want to know why you lost? Because you didn't play your best players.

I especially didn't agree with Renteria batting 5th. Anyway, Phil Garner seems like the nicest guy. After loses, he never places blame and remains positive.

jaxmagicman · 07-12-2006, 10:42 AM

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I especially didn't agree with Renteria batting 5th. Anyway, Phil Garner seems like the nicest guy. After loses, he never places blame and remains positive.

Sorry, just upset that the Best Second baseman (so far this season) in the National League didn't even get to play.

Andy · 07-12-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Sorry, just upset that the Best Second baseman (so far this season) in the National League didn't even get to play.

Actually the best 2nd basemen wasn't on the team, but I know you are talking about Uggla

jaxmagicman · 07-12-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy

Actually the best 2nd basemen wasn't on the team, but I know you are talking about Uggla

Yeah, probably right. Who was the one that didn't make the team? Uggla has played better than Kent so far.

Andy · 07-12-2006, 10:51 AM

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Yeah, probably right. Who was the one that didn't make the team? Uggla has played better than Kent so far.

Brandon Phillips. Of course I may be biased...

marc · 07-12-2006, 10:52 AM

Uhhhh Chase Utley??

jaxmagicman · 07-12-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy

Brandon Phillips. Of course I may be biased...

Sorry, he has played a lot better than Phillips and it is not even close.

jaxmagicman · 07-12-2006, 10:53 AM

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Uhhhh Chase Utley??

Has played better than Utley as well. Granted Utley has probably been the closest to him in production. He is about 1 win behind Uggla.

marc · 07-12-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Has played better than Utley as well. Granted Utley has probably been the closest to him in production. He is about 1 win behind Uggla.

If by being worse in every category except triples than yes Uggla has played better than Utley.

jaxmagicman · 07-12-2006, 11:06 AM

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If by being worse in every category except triples than yes Uggla has played better than Utley.

And on the defensive side. Utley is -6 FRAA. Uggla is +6. Utley's EQA is .294. Uggla's is .295. Uggla's wins above replacement is at 4.5 and Utley is at 3.5. Uggla has been better all-around player. Utley deserved to be on the team and he even deserved to start (because he was voted there), but Uggla deserved to play at least one inning. Way before Freddie Sanchez got moved to Second to replace Uttley.

You have to take the stats into context. Utley plays in a hitter friendly park. Uggla plays in a pitcher friendly park. Sure the traditional stats favor Utley, but they are mostly being inflated by the park he plays in. Uggla has been more productive because his park is less friendly. It is close, and I didn't have a problem with Utley playing over Uggla, I had a problem with Uggla not even getting in the game when he is clearly superior so far this year to every other 2B in the league.

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