Official Rolen/Cubby Player Rating Question Thread - Page 3

tehwholeworld · 06-16-2006, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BarryZito75

Oh so I'm stupid and a fool? I never said he was bad. Maybe the "real" Brandon McCarthy is the pre-All-star break McCarthy? All you can do is examine the entire sample size (which is entirely too small, especially when you break it down into 58 and 43 IP, ie AARON SMALL LAST YEAR), and base the ratings off of that. How do you know that's his "true" potential? Players can look great for short stretches. Just ask Shane Spencer, Jeff D'Amico, Roger Cedeno, Kevin Maas, Mark Quinn, Rick Ankiel, Omar Daal and scores and scores of other players that either had one good year, or simply one good stretch. What if he is one of them? I never said the guy was bad, it's just that his "true potential" is not sub-2 ERA; he'd probably be lucky to put a sub-3 just two or three times in his career in this current era (Mike Mussina only did it ONCE, and he's one of the best of the era). Don't be so defensive.

When he first came up last year, he had some flaw with his delivery, so naturally he got rocked. He was sent down to AAA for a little while, changed his delivery, and when he came back up, dominated. There is a reason he was considered a top prospect in the Sox organization before joining the league, so I don't think its unreasonable to rate him highly.

No, he's not going to post a sub-2 ERA. When I said his "true potential", I was referring to the quality of his pitching compared to what his overall numbers showed, not necessarily what the numbers he put up in the second half were. He's going to be an above average starter for many years to come, which is much more than his overall numbers would indicate.

CubbyFan23 · 06-16-2006, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by randomlefty10

Also, just in case, Felix Hernandez. He's been hurt ERA wise by incredibly flukey BABIP (.349) and HR/FB (21.1%) spikes. His xFIP reflects this as last year it was a phenomenal 2.87 and this year, as "bad" as he's been, it's at 3.50. Whatever ratings you have given him after last season's performance, I would keep his potentials the same, add a smidgen to his stuff rating, and take a smidgen off his control rating. That's it. He is no less the pitcher he was last year and that pitcher fully justified his sub-3 ERA.

I'm in love with Felix, don't worry there.

I've decided the best course of action is to do each level at once. I'm doing the ML first, and have already breezed through quite a few teams, so hopefully you guys can look at that and argue to the death some more.

ptwarr18 · 06-16-2006, 10:04 AM

I'm thinking about the Pittsburgh Pirates here.... 3B Freddy Sanchez is batting .346 playing fulltime after batting .290 as a part time player and pinch hitter last year, He is the Real Deal... Ronny Paulino is also batting over .300 at catcher he shouldnt have the best ratings right now but a lot of potential... Utilityman Jose Bautista should have monster potential ratings, hes been turning the corner and is being talked about in Pittsburgh as being a compliment to Bay in the middle of the order pretty soon... 2B Jose Castillo is another good young player who is starting to turn the corner .... I also think pitchers Ian Snell, Paul Maholm and Zack Duke should have average to below average current ratings but a ton of talent... you got a first round pick, a guy who dominated the minors and his rookie year last year, and a 2 time Pirates minor league player of the year....

I'm not totally all for the Bucs though... Chris Duffy should have terrible ratings even after a short stint batting .300 last 2nd half... he is terrible, and is a selfish jerk which makes it worse.... Also, Oliver Perez is downright terrible, his good season 2 years ago was a total fluke... Kip Wells, also awful, coming back from an injury now, I'm dreading watching him pitch every 5 days

White Sox · 06-16-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ptwarr18

Kip Wells...I'm dreading watching him pitch every 5 days

Hah. I said those exact same words 5 years ago.

majesty95 · 06-18-2006, 07:46 AM

Cubby...I'm not sure if you want to invest any money into this but a great resource I have used is the "Baseball America Prospect Handbook". You can get it at pretty much any Borders or Barnes and Noble for $27.95. It gives scouting reports on 900+ prospects and usually lists their main pitches and fastball speeds. I've also used one by the Sporting News as well that's about the same price. It sucks spending $30 or $60 but the amount of time you save on researching on the internet and the added accuracy you can add makes up the difference.

bravoatoc · 06-18-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by randomlefty10

Also, just in case, Felix Hernandez. He's been hurt ERA wise by incredibly flukey BABIP (.349) and HR/FB (21.1%) spikes. His xFIP reflects this as last year it was a phenomenal 2.87 and this year, as "bad" as he's been, it's at 3.50. Whatever ratings you have given him after last season's performance, I would keep his potentials the same, add a smidgen to his stuff rating, and take a smidgen off his control rating. That's it. He is no less the pitcher he was last year and that pitcher fully justified his sub-3 ERA.

No offense to the rest of the people posting on here, but I think this is the kind of information that Cubbyfan is looking for as support to rate a player better or worse. Just saying a guy is good because you think he is doesn't prove much of anything. If you want a player to be rated better or worse give reasoning that supports that a player has the a new (or the same) underlying skill set and resolve the question of why his current stats do not match that skillset. I applaude those of you who have done this so far, and hope that everyone else will continue with this type of enlightened discussion, instead of irresolute bickering.

Amazinin06 · 06-19-2006, 03:49 AM

My major concern (of course) is that your previous roster pack for OOTP 6.5 severly underrated David Wright....

As you can see, he needs a very high contact, power, and gap... decent eye and average avoid Ks... below average defensive ratings...

majesty95 · 06-19-2006, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Amazinin06

My major concern (of course) is that your previous roster pack for OOTP 6.5 severly underrated David Wright....

As you can see, he needs a very high contact, power, and gap... decent eye and average avoid Ks... below average defensive ratings...

Hmmm, most of what I've heard says Wright is very good defensively. I know he had some error troubles early this year but he's a good athlete and makes some amazing plays. I definately wouldn't consider him below avg. defensively.

tward13 · 06-19-2006, 09:01 AM

Definitely not below average. Not a gold glove but after a half season of jitters at third last year he's been pretty good with a number of great plays.

Yes, I'm a Mets fan, but this kid is unbelievably good. And at his age there are very very few players in the majors I'd trade him for.

CubbyFan23 · 06-19-2006, 12:08 PM

I find it hard to believe that I underrated Wright in my last set that I released, considering my friend is a HUGE Mets fan and wouldn't let me get away with doing it. He's probably my favorite player in the bigs right now, but without the set offhand, I can't be sure.

And he is below average defensively, can be prone to lapses in defense, but is very talented athletically, and has large amounts of room for improvement.

EDIT: Just got the BA Prospect Handbook in the mail!

Wud · 06-19-2006, 12:49 PM

Wright IS pretty good with the glove (I watch just about every Mets game) Great range a strong arm. His problem has been the accuracy of that arm. That where most of his errors come from. But like has been said, he's gotten alot better with that lately, along with making the spectacular plays more often.

Also in the last set you had him rated as .270 hitter (Nothing a few edits didn't change.)

(Edit)

I also think you underated both His and Reyes' potential. seeing how they're both so young. But then again i could be biased

Seviien · 06-19-2006, 03:40 PM

Papelbon felt underrated in the 6.5 roster set.

zukes · 06-19-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wud

Wright IS pretty good with the glove (I watch just about every Mets game) Great range a strong arm. His problem has been the accuracy of that arm. That where most of his errors come from. But like has been said, he's gotten alot better with that lately, along with making the spectacular plays more often.

Also in the last set you had him rated as .270 hitter (Nothing a few edits didn't change.)

(Edit)

I also think you underated both His and Reyes' potential. seeing how they're both so young. But then again i could be biased

I can't remember whose roster sets I used in OOTB 6 but I know that Reyes was on my fantasy draft team and was a consistent all-star. He led the league every year in steals (even breaking 100 a couple times) and averaged around 80 per year. He was a career .320 hitter and knocked about 16 HR's every year. He also won a Gold Glove at short. This was over the course of 5 years. Of course it may not have been Cubby's rosters so it could be all moot.

tward13 · 06-19-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Seviien

Papelbon felt underrated in the 6.5 roster set.

The way he's going it'll be hard to rate him good enough.

mgsports79 · 06-20-2006, 01:55 PM

You can't get ratings perfect because I think everyday some ratings change!

PSUColonel · 06-22-2006, 06:08 PM

Are the rosters going to include the correct teams for all leagues throughout the world, or is this set only going to focus on U.S. Leagues? I realize the players wouldn't be correct in those league (too much work).

Erich Ingram · 06-22-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Are the rosters going to include the correct teams for all leagues throughout the world, or is this set only going to focus on U.S. Leagues? I realize the players wouldn't be correct in those league (too much work).

Starting with the US and then attempting to move on to other countries, and that will be with the help of others I am sure.

Mrkx65 · 06-26-2006, 09:48 PM

Just wondering what you guys are rating the Dodgers farm. I know in almost all of the rosters I've seen,the Dodgers system sucks when Baseball America rates them top 3.

Willmore · 06-30-2006, 05:31 PM

As long as Betancourt is ranked as a Top 3 defensive shortstop in the league and JJ Putz has some of the top stuff rating in the league, I'm happy.

Betancourt has been rated by most scouts as perhaps the best defender to come up since Vizquel, and he is more advanced than Vizquel was at his age.

Putz, since adding an unhittable 91-mph splitter, has been just that. And coupled with his 98+ fastball, he is as dominating a closer as there is. He's right up there with Ryan, Rivera, Nathan and the rest.

And ofcourse Felix, but you all know about him.

As far as the Mariners farm system is concerned, we are not the best there is, but we have some nice guys. Adam Jones, while still streaky and inconsistent, is potentially a gold glove CFer. He is the #2 prospect in our system.

The #1 guy is Jeff Clement, he is an average defensive catcher, but is improving and his bat can produce in the majors right now.

Chris Snelling is a guy who, despite having the ability to post a .330/.400/.500 or better line in the majors, has had unbelievable bad luck with injuries. He is coming back from an injury right now and should be in the majors after the break. He should be rated accordingly, and his stats this season are more or less irrelevant, because he is still not at 100%.

If you have any specific questions about the Ms farm system, I have a good source who might provide some info.

adichiara · 06-30-2006, 06:13 PM

I don't see why anyone is complaining. If you have a problem with the rating of your teams players just change them yourself, it takes one second.

06-19-2006, 12:08 PM	#50
CubbyFan23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 2,257	I find it hard to believe that I underrated Wright in my last set that I released, considering my friend is a HUGE Mets fan and wouldn't let me get away with doing it. He's probably my favorite player in the bigs right now, but without the set offhand, I can't be sure. And he is below average defensively, can be prone to lapses in defense, but is very talented athletically, and has large amounts of room for improvement. EDIT: Just got the BA Prospect Handbook in the mail! Last edited by CubbyFan23; 06-19-2006 at 12:09 PM.

06-19-2006, 12:49 PM	#51
Wud Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 18	Wright IS pretty good with the glove (I watch just about every Mets game) Great range a strong arm. His problem has been the accuracy of that arm. That where most of his errors come from. But like has been said, he's gotten alot better with that lately, along with making the spectacular plays more often. Also in the last set you had him rated as .270 hitter (Nothing a few edits didn't change.) (Edit) I also think you underated both His and Reyes' potential. seeing how they're both so young. But then again i could be biased Last edited by Wud; 06-19-2006 at 12:54 PM.

06-20-2006, 01:55 PM	#55
mgsports79 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 121	Roster Questions You can't get ratings perfect because I think everyday some ratings change! Last edited by mgsports79; 06-21-2006 at 09:56 AM.

06-30-2006, 05:31 PM	#59
Willmore Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 54	As long as Betancourt is ranked as a Top 3 defensive shortstop in the league and JJ Putz has some of the top stuff rating in the league, I'm happy. Betancourt has been rated by most scouts as perhaps the best defender to come up since Vizquel, and he is more advanced than Vizquel was at his age. Putz, since adding an unhittable 91-mph splitter, has been just that. And coupled with his 98+ fastball, he is as dominating a closer as there is. He's right up there with Ryan, Rivera, Nathan and the rest. And ofcourse Felix, but you all know about him. As far as the Mariners farm system is concerned, we are not the best there is, but we have some nice guys. Adam Jones, while still streaky and inconsistent, is potentially a gold glove CFer. He is the #2 prospect in our system. The #1 guy is Jeff Clement, he is an average defensive catcher, but is improving and his bat can produce in the majors right now. Chris Snelling is a guy who, despite having the ability to post a .330/.400/.500 or better line in the majors, has had unbelievable bad luck with injuries. He is coming back from an injury right now and should be in the majors after the break. He should be rated accordingly, and his stats this season are more or less irrelevant, because he is still not at 100%. If you have any specific questions about the Ms farm system, I have a good source who might provide some info. Last edited by Willmore; 06-30-2006 at 06:12 PM.

06-16-2006, 10:04 AM	#43
ptwarr18 Major Leagues Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 308	I'm thinking about the Pittsburgh Pirates here.... 3B Freddy Sanchez is batting .346 playing fulltime after batting .290 as a part time player and pinch hitter last year, He is the Real Deal... Ronny Paulino is also batting over .300 at catcher he shouldnt have the best ratings right now but a lot of potential... Utilityman Jose Bautista should have monster potential ratings, hes been turning the corner and is being talked about in Pittsburgh as being a compliment to Bay in the middle of the order pretty soon... 2B Jose Castillo is another good young player who is starting to turn the corner .... I also think pitchers Ian Snell, Paul Maholm and Zack Duke should have average to below average current ratings but a ton of talent... you got a first round pick, a guy who dominated the minors and his rookie year last year, and a 2 time Pirates minor league player of the year.... I'm not totally all for the Bucs though... Chris Duffy should have terrible ratings even after a short stint batting .300 last 2nd half... he is terrible, and is a selfish jerk which makes it worse.... Also, Oliver Perez is downright terrible, his good season 2 years ago was a total fluke... Kip Wells, also awful, coming back from an injury now, I'm dreading watching him pitch every 5 days

06-18-2006, 07:46 AM	#45
majesty95 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,789	Cubby...I'm not sure if you want to invest any money into this but a great resource I have used is the "Baseball America Prospect Handbook". You can get it at pretty much any Borders or Barnes and Noble for $27.95. It gives scouting reports on 900+ prospects and usually lists their main pitches and fastball speeds. I've also used one by the Sporting News as well that's about the same price. It sucks spending $30 or $60 but the amount of time you save on researching on the internet and the added accuracy you can add makes up the difference.

06-19-2006, 03:49 AM	#47
Amazinin06 Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 3	My major concern (of course) is that your previous roster pack for OOTP 6.5 severly underrated David Wright.... As you can see, he needs a very high contact, power, and gap... decent eye and average avoid Ks... below average defensive ratings...

06-19-2006, 09:01 AM	#49
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Definitely not below average. Not a gold glove but after a half season of jitters at third last year he's been pretty good with a number of great plays. Yes, I'm a Mets fan, but this kid is unbelievably good. And at his age there are very very few players in the majors I'd trade him for.

06-19-2006, 03:40 PM	#52
Seviien All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 925	Papelbon felt underrated in the 6.5 roster set.

06-22-2006, 06:08 PM	#56
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,104	Are the rosters going to include the correct teams for all leagues throughout the world, or is this set only going to focus on U.S. Leagues? I realize the players wouldn't be correct in those league (too much work).

06-26-2006, 09:48 PM	#58
Mrkx65 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 26	Just wondering what you guys are rating the Dodgers farm. I know in almost all of the rosters I've seen,the Dodgers system sucks when Baseball America rates them top 3.

06-30-2006, 06:13 PM	#60
adichiara Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 121	I don't see why anyone is complaining. If you have a problem with the rating of your teams players just change them yourself, it takes one second.