NFL Signings - Page 3

SJPhilsFan · 03-12-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

That's cool. Now the question is: which quarterback is he going to protect?

(And don't the Seahawks now have the option of matching that offer?)

Technically, yes, but the Vikes have it structured in such a way to make it difficult for them to match it this year.

It'll probably end up being Brad Johnson this year.

abailey3313 · 03-12-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SJPhilsFan

Technically, yes, but the Vikes have it structured in such a way that they can't fit it under their cap for this year.

Figured as much. That tends to be the way teams operate negotiations and offers when it comes to restricted guys. Any idea what the draft conpensation would be?

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Originally Posted by SJPhilsFan

It'll probably end up being Brad Johnson this year.

Looking likely, although the only team that seems interested in Culpepper right now is Miami.

SJPhilsFan · 03-12-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

Any idea what the draft conpensation would be?

There is none with the transition tag, Seattle just has the right to match any offer.

boilermaker · 03-12-2006, 04:36 PM

Man, Edge in Arizona.....I thought Bidwell didn't care about winning?

Jeremy Weimer · 03-12-2006, 04:59 PM

So the Vikings have signed two players I've never heard of and are going after an OL. Good times.

cinredsfan2000 · 03-12-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by boilermaker

Man, Edge in Arizona.....I thought Bidwell didn't care about winning?

Im not sure how to feel about this being a colts fan . I guess it was going to happpen but i was holding out hope that james would re-sign with indy. But i guess well see now that he's in the arizona and out of peyton manning's shadow how good he actually is .

twins15 · 03-12-2006, 08:24 PM

about Steve Hutchinson. Expensive, but the Vikings have money and Hutch is excellent.

Not so excited about Chester Taylor. He's not a bad back, but my goals were admittedly a little higer. I don't know too much about Leber, but he's decent.

SJPhilsFan · 03-12-2006, 09:01 PM

Randle El's contract is a 7 yr/ 31 mil. deal. The contract is voidable after the 6th yr, however.

Jeremy Weimer · 03-12-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by twins15

about Steve Hutchinson. Expensive, but the Vikings have money and Hutch is excellent.

Not so excited about Chester Taylor. He's not a bad back, but my goals were admittedly a little higer. I don't know too much about Leber, but he's decent.

Is Chester Taylor going to be our starting HB? Cause if so, WTF.

abailey3313 · 03-12-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Weimer

Is Chester Taylor going to be our starting HB? Cause if so, WTF.

I believe he was the pre-season's leading rusher last year. And, FWIW, he's better than Jamal Lewis (both at this point in his career and at both player's peak value. Taylor is far more well-rounded.)

Jeremy Weimer · 03-12-2006, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

I believe he was the pre-season's leading rusher last year. And, FWIW, he's better than Jamal Lewis (both at this point in his career and at both player's peak value. Taylor is far more well-rounded.)

Hasn't he been a 3rd down back his entire career?

attackemu · 03-12-2006, 10:12 PM

Damn. Trevor Pryce in Baltimore. That defense. Man.

abailey3313 · 03-12-2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Weimer

Hasn't he been a 3rd down back his entire career?

Yes.

I can't really even defend Taylor being better than Lewis, because most of that is probably my absolute hatred towards Lewis as a football player. But I think Taylor's got more big play talent and his hands aren't rocks like Lewis'.

Jeremy Weimer · 03-12-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

Yes.

I can't really even defend Taylor being better than Lewis, because most of that is probably my absolute hatred towards Lewis as a football player. But I think Taylor's got more big play talent and his hands aren't rocks like Lewis'.

I still don't understand why you hate Lewis so much. He's far from a bad HB. He's put up over 900 yards rushing every single season he's played, hell all but one season he's had over 1000 yards. His TD numbers aren't the greatest every season but that has more to do with Baltimore's offense as a whole and their play selection, not just him.

The guy is only 26 years old, so he has at least 3-5 more years of solid playing time in him. If he can contribute 900+ yards and 5-10 TDs a season then he's well worth the money he gets, or at least close to it. I'd take him over any of the HB's the Vikings currently have on their roster, even the new dude since he's played behind Lewis his entire career. If he was really that much better than Lewis they would've had him starting and not Lewis.

abailey3313 · 03-12-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Weimer

I still don't understand why you hate Lewis so much. He's far from a bad HB. He's put up over 900 yards rushing every single season he's played, hell all but one season he's had over 1000 yards. His TD numbers aren't the greatest every season but that has more to do with Baltimore's offense as a whole and their play selection, not just him.

The guy is only 26 years old, so he has at least 3-5 more years of solid playing time in him. If he can contribute 900+ yards and 5-10 TDs a season then he's well worth the money he gets, or at least close to it. I'd take him over any of the HB's the Vikings currently have on their roster, even the new dude since he's played behind Lewis his entire career. If he was really that much better than Lewis they would've had him starting and not Lewis.

Peep this.

SJPhilsFan · 03-12-2006, 11:08 PM

Mike Anderson signs for 4 yr/8 mil with the Ravens.

Bailey, I got burned by Jamal Lewis last year as well with a second-round pick, but I kind of agree with Weimer on this. He'll probably get overpaid because of his 2003 season, but he should be able to contribute 1100 yards with double-digit TDs in the right offense. Baltimore is consistently poor offensively, which has contributed to the weak TD numbers.

As far as Lewis' 2005 season, his YPC was nearly a full yard less than his norm. I'm sure the drug trial played a part in that, as well as his being unhappy with the FO over not receiving a contract offer in the preseason. He's only 26 and it's not like he's being abused as much as Ahman Green was at that age. I'm chalking last year up as a fluke and seriously believe he'll return to being a solid RB.

mlyons · 03-12-2006, 11:13 PM

The vast majority of running backs start to significantly decline after the age of 25. Since Jamal Lewis has already begun his decline, I doubt he'll buck that trend.

QuestGAV · 03-12-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SJPhilsFan

Randle El's contract is a 7 yr/ 31 mil. deal. The contract is voidable after the 6th yr, however.

I hope for his sake he got a good signing bonus. That's crazy money for a guy who could easily be fourth on the team in receptions. He won't see year 4 of the deal, never mind year 7.

abailey3313 · 03-12-2006, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SJPhilsFan

Bailey, I got burned by Jamal Lewis last year as well with a second-round pick, but I kind of agree with Weimer on this. He'll probably get overpaid because of his 2003 season, but he should be able to contribute 1100 yards with double-digit TDs in the right offense. Baltimore is consistently poor offensively, which has contributed to the weak TD numbers.

As far as Lewis' 2005 season, his YPC was nearly a full yard less than his norm. I'm sure the drug trial played a part in that, as well as his being unhappy with the FO over not receiving a contract offer in the preseason. He's only 26 and it's not like he's being abused as much as Ahman Green was at that age. I'm chalking last year up as a fluke and seriously believe he'll return to being a solid RB.

Truth of the matter is, I realize Lewis' actual talent level, potential, all that. Of course, I'm never going to acknowledge that and when talking about him in a negative light I'm going to exaggerate quite a bit more than is probably necessary.

I'd equate it to someone who lives in New York and is a Mets fan. They're going to hear crap constantly from Yankees fans -- probably on a damn near every day basis. Example: if you're a New York Yankees fan, there's a good chance you don't think Derek Jeter is a great player -- you think he's the best player in all of baseball. So if a Mets fan gets into a conversation about baseball, they're going to have to listen to everything anyone's ever heard about Jeter on ESPN... magnified.

So living where I do, I've had to hear about Jamal Lewis since the day the Ravens drafted him. And most of what I hear is absolutely crazy. I kid you not when I say that I've heard him referred to as "the best running back in the league by leaps and bounds", "the most underrated player in the league", and a guy who "will be one of the top ten greatest running backs by the time his career is over".

Is he a good running back? Absolutely. Is he one of the best in the league at his position? No, I don't believe he is. (Although I do believe he'll get an eye brow raising deal with someone this off-season. If Antwaan Randle-El can get the kind of money he got, imagine what a 2000 yard rusher can land.)

Jeremy Weimer · 03-12-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

Truth of the matter is, I realize Lewis' actual talent level, potential, all that. Of course, I'm never going to acknowledge that and when talking about him in a negative light I'm going to exaggerate quite a bit more than is probably necessary.

I'd equate it to someone who lives in New York and is a Mets fan. They're going to hear crap constantly from Yankees fans -- probably on a damn near every day basis. Example: if you're a New York Yankees fan, there's a good chance you don't think Derek Jeter is a great player -- you think he's the best player in all of baseball. So if a Mets fan gets into a conversation about baseball, they're going to have to listen to everything anyone's ever heard about Jeter on ESPN... magnified.

So living where I do, I've had to hear about Jamal Lewis since the day the Ravens drafted him. And most of what I hear is absolutely crazy. I kid you not when I say that I've heard him referred to as "the best running back in the league by leaps and bounds", "the most underrated player in the league", and a guy who "will be one of the top ten greatest running backs by the time his career is over".

Is he a good running back? Absolutely. Is he one of the best in the league at his position? No, I don't believe he is. (Although I do believe he'll get an eye brow raising deal with someone this off-season. If Antwaan Randle-El can get the kind of money he got, imagine what a 2000 yard rusher can land.)

Damn Maryland bias.

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mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	The vast majority of running backs start to significantly decline after the age of 25. Since Jamal Lewis has already begun his decline, I doubt he'll buck that trend. __________________ Things can always be worse.

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Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	So the Vikings have signed two players I've never heard of and are going after an OL. Good times.

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SJPhilsFan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South NJ Posts: 72	Randle El's contract is a 7 yr/ 31 mil. deal. The contract is voidable after the 6th yr, however.

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SJPhilsFan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South NJ Posts: 72	Mike Anderson signs for 4 yr/8 mil with the Ravens. Bailey, I got burned by Jamal Lewis last year as well with a second-round pick, but I kind of agree with Weimer on this. He'll probably get overpaid because of his 2003 season, but he should be able to contribute 1100 yards with double-digit TDs in the right offense. Baltimore is consistently poor offensively, which has contributed to the weak TD numbers. As far as Lewis' 2005 season, his YPC was nearly a full yard less than his norm. I'm sure the drug trial played a part in that, as well as his being unhappy with the FO over not receiving a contract offer in the preseason. He's only 26 and it's not like he's being abused as much as Ahman Green was at that age. I'm chalking last year up as a fluke and seriously believe he'll return to being a solid RB.