Did the Texans blow their game and is it worth it? - Page 2

sebastian0622 · 12-13-2005, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Faroo6

Everyone is getting ahead of themselves with the Bush to the Texans. The Niners will somehow blow the game against the Texans. They will make David Carr look like an elite QB. The Niners will reunite Bush and Alex Smith. How would you have liked to play that high school team?

Wait, there's a Niners/Texans game upcoming? Oh man, what happens if you have two coaches trying to lose? This one could be entertaining.

JDOldSchool · 12-13-2005, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLERBS24

Ferguson would help the OL greatly, however Reggie Bush is a better back right now than Dominic Davis. Davis is an average NFL running back, Bush is a HOF talent, its an easy choice. Davis might not even be the best RB on the team, if given carries Vernand Morency would be every bit of Dominic Davis. With only a couple exceptions every GM in the league would give up their current RB if they could get Bush. I've read NFL GM's saying most any team would take Bush and reconfigure the team around him cuz he's that good. Houston is hardly in a position to pass him up because of Dominic Davis.

While I know 1,000 yards is not what it used to be, to say that a guy who has only done what he's done in college is better than a guy who has broken 1,000 yards in his first three seasons (ok, he's at 976 right now, but he'll pass that this coming week) behind a horrible offensive line - on a team that frequently is throwing the ball the entire second half - is just ridiculous. Reggie Bush is a phenomenal talent and might be great, but he's not a great NFL player. Domanick Davis is a very, very good NFL running back who has proven it with almost no blocking help. Reggie Bush is the best COLLEGE running back behind an offensive line that gives him 5 yards from the line of scrimmage before anybody can touch him. You're seriously calling him a Hall of Fame talent? Yeah, well, so was Desmond Howard.

I happen to think Bush will be an excellent NFL player, but to say that with a "couple exceptions" (who? LT and Alexander?) every NFL team would take Bush is also asinine. The guy might be better than other team's RBs but smart GMs know they'd be better off filling their holes than making what could amount to nothing more than a slight upgrade at RB.

bailey's explanation for the Texans taking Bush does make sense, but to say there's two teams who would keep their RB over Bush (when it comes to spending a #1 pick on it) doesn't make any sense.

QuestGAV · 12-13-2005, 11:31 AM

The consensus is pretty loud that Bush is a special talent. You can't pass up special talents to fill needs. It's easy to talk yourself into a player at a need position being comparable talentwise, but it leads to Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan-type decisions. It's possible to get serviceable OLs through other avenues that will allow Bush to shine. It's not possible to get a Bush in other ways. You have to take the unique player if he's there for you.

jamus23 · 12-13-2005, 12:45 PM

Considering that Houston's kicker is Kris Brown.... I don't think they are trying to tank it. He probably just missed. He's done a lot of that over the years...

Steelers' fans know what I'm talking about...

Sublimity · 12-13-2005, 01:02 PM

Considering the last three weeks and how they've lost, the Texans are either tanking, or they are just really really good at sucking.

jaxmagicman · 12-13-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Faroo6

The Niners will reunite Bush and Alex Smith. How would you have liked to play that high school team?

They played together in high school? I just don't know how people know about the highschools players went to!

mh2365 · 12-13-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

They played together in high school? I just don't know how people know about the highschools players went to!

Because they mentioned it 42 times in every single Utah broadcast last year ....

Davis is a decent back but Bush reminds everyone of Gale Sayers and Davis reminds everyone of well Dominick Davis. If I have the #1 pick, unless I have LT I take Reggie. LT is the only exception in my eyes.

Faroo6 · 12-13-2005, 03:37 PM

Bush definitely has to be your pick if your the Texans or Niners. Lets assume that the whole O-Line sucks, which it pretty much does. Unless that pick can get you 5 quality linemen you'll still have holes. Bush has shown himself to be elusive enough that he could be a Barry Sanders type behind that line. Detroit never really had a great line when Barry was there and he made it work. Next year's draft will have really good linemen in it. It won't have Reggie Bush.

KILLERBS24 · 12-13-2005, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

While I know 1,000 yards is not what it used to be, to say that a guy who has only done what he's done in college is better than a guy who has broken 1,000 yards in his first three seasons (ok, he's at 976 right now, but he'll pass that this coming week) behind a horrible offensive line - on a team that frequently is throwing the ball the entire second half - is just ridiculous. Reggie Bush is a phenomenal talent and might be great, but he's not a great NFL player. Domanick Davis is a very, very good NFL running back who has proven it with almost no blocking help..

Firstly Dominic Davis in not a very, very good NFL back, he is an average, replacement level back. You are right about something 1,000 yds doesn't mean anything, if you judge a RB by 1000yds your lost. He rushed for 1031yds, 1188yds and 976 so far this year. He averages 4.1 a carry over his career which is right around league average. In 40 games Davis has 13 runs of 20yds, which is terrible, bad OL or not. In those same 40 games he has 10fumbles. A RB with who fumbles as often as he breaks a 20 yd run is not a good NFL RB. If he was such a good player why would Houston, with all the holes they have, waste a 3rd round pick on Vernand Morency, they still have Wells backing up so depth wasn't an issue, the issue is Davis isn't the guy they are looking to build around.
Yes Bush played at USC this year but if you dont think he's an NFL player than I should quit typing now. Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown will both break 1,000 this year, at this time last year they were in college, and were not as good as Bush has been.

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Reggie Bush is the best COLLEGE running back behind an offensive line that gives him 5 yards from the line of scrimmage before anybody can touch him. You're seriously calling him a Hall of Fame talent? Yeah, well, so was Desmond Howard.

Reggie Bush isn't a product of the USC system, Reggie Bush isn't good because his line is good, he's good because he's one of the most talented football players EVER!! Comparing him to Desmon Howard is ridiculous. Howard wasn't half as talented as Bush.

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

I happen to think Bush will be an excellent NFL player, but to say that with a "couple exceptions" (who? LT and Alexander?) every NFL team would take Bush is also asinine. The guy might be better than other team's RBs but smart GMs know they'd be better off filling their holes than making what could amount to nothing more than a slight upgrade at RB.

With the exception of Tomlinson, Alexander, Larry Johnson, and the rookies Cadillac and Brown because they are so new, every other team would take Bush if he was available period. I would have put Edge in that list but Indy would swap them too cuz Edge is old and expensive. You don't draft to fill holes with the #1 pick if there is an extreme talent in the draft. Bush is the most talented player in the draft in a long time. This isn't a guy that is a little upgrade or someone you worry about being a flop this guy is the real deal, he's a once in a lifetime type talent and the only people that would pass him up are stupid ones, so yeah maybe Houston will pass!!!

Hotblack Desiato · 12-13-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

Wait, there's a Niners/Texans game upcoming? Oh man, what happens if you have two coaches trying to lose? This one could be entertaining.

Ever seen the Little League episode of South Park?

Aordolin · 12-14-2005, 07:11 AM

I see the disaster that is the Texans every week. I dont think they are trying to tank. I want to see them take Reggie Bush too. Yes Dommanic Davis is a pretty solid back but hes no Bush. He doesnt have the breakaway homerun threat that Bush would give you, plus hes always hurt. Its true the Texans have alot of holes but Im not sure how horrible this team really is. They were 7-9 last year and supposed to challange for a playoff spot this year. A guy like Reggie Bush would make their O-Line look alot better. Nobody is afraid of Davis. If the Texans want to be better immediately next year Bush is the guy to take. This team needs some offensive playmakers. That being said, you would be crazy not to atleast listen to trade offers, if youve got Mike Ditka on the phone willing to trade his entire draft for the pick then you gotta trade down.

swampdragon · 12-14-2005, 08:35 AM

Heard on the radio: to be sung to the tune of "Do You Hear What I Hear"

Said David Carr to his offensive line,
Do you see what I see?
(Do you see what I see?)

A blitzing back coming over there.
Do you see what I see?
(Do you see what I see?)

I see stars, stars, stars all around and my stats just keep going down,
Cause I'm always lying on the ground.

Don't remember the rest.

Jestor · 12-14-2005, 08:41 AM

Bush does remind me of a Barry Sanders-style talent and I think he has the capability to become a HOF back, I really do.

Whether or not he lives up to that potential is another story, obviously, but the ability is certainly there in my eyes.

XxCardinal42xX · 12-14-2005, 11:24 AM

I will say that I think Dominick Davis on a solid team would be a pro-bowler. He's a complete back in a flawed system IMO.

As far as the whole Bush to Houston thing...lets not forget there are games to be played, and there is still SF, GB, NYJ, NO who are still close by.

Yes, Reggie Bush is a phenominal TALENT, hard to pass up on, but IMO, Houston needs offensive lineman and defensive players. They could very well have the worst offensive line, ever.

The team that needs Reggie Bush the most are the Jets and the Niners.

What are everyone's thoughts on Tenneesee trading up to get the Matt Leinert pick?

Leinert + Chow, wow!

12-13-2005, 01:02 PM	#25
Sublimity Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: This thread. Posts: 3,199	Considering the last three weeks and how they've lost, the Texans are either tanking, or they are just really really good at sucking. __________________ mrs ria: I hereby dub Sublimity the Glorious Upholder of the 5B3. Current leading vote-getter in the Worst Poster in OT History poll.

12-13-2005, 11:31 AM	#23
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,010	The consensus is pretty loud that Bush is a special talent. You can't pass up special talents to fill needs. It's easy to talk yourself into a player at a need position being comparable talentwise, but it leads to Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan-type decisions. It's possible to get serviceable OLs through other avenues that will allow Bush to shine. It's not possible to get a Bush in other ways. You have to take the unique player if he's there for you.

12-13-2005, 12:45 PM	#24
jamus23 All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 896	Considering that Houston's kicker is Kris Brown.... I don't think they are trying to tank it. He probably just missed. He's done a lot of that over the years... Steelers' fans know what I'm talking about...

12-14-2005, 07:11 AM	#31
Aordolin All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 586	I see the disaster that is the Texans every week. I dont think they are trying to tank. I want to see them take Reggie Bush too. Yes Dommanic Davis is a pretty solid back but hes no Bush. He doesnt have the breakaway homerun threat that Bush would give you, plus hes always hurt. Its true the Texans have alot of holes but Im not sure how horrible this team really is. They were 7-9 last year and supposed to challange for a playoff spot this year. A guy like Reggie Bush would make their O-Line look alot better. Nobody is afraid of Davis. If the Texans want to be better immediately next year Bush is the guy to take. This team needs some offensive playmakers. That being said, you would be crazy not to atleast listen to trade offers, if youve got Mike Ditka on the phone willing to trade his entire draft for the pick then you gotta trade down.

12-14-2005, 08:35 AM	#32
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	Heard on the radio: to be sung to the tune of "Do You Hear What I Hear" Said David Carr to his offensive line, Do you see what I see? (Do you see what I see?) A blitzing back coming over there. Do you see what I see? (Do you see what I see?) I see stars, stars, stars all around and my stats just keep going down, Cause I'm always lying on the ground. Don't remember the rest.

12-14-2005, 11:24 AM	#34
XxCardinal42xX Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 76	I will say that I think Dominick Davis on a solid team would be a pro-bowler. He's a complete back in a flawed system IMO. As far as the whole Bush to Houston thing...lets not forget there are games to be played, and there is still SF, GB, NYJ, NO who are still close by. Yes, Reggie Bush is a phenominal TALENT, hard to pass up on, but IMO, Houston needs offensive lineman and defensive players. They could very well have the worst offensive line, ever. The team that needs Reggie Bush the most are the Jets and the Niners. What are everyone's thoughts on Tenneesee trading up to get the Matt Leinert pick? Leinert + Chow, wow!