Baltimore Orioles Off-Season Thread - Page 3

darkhorse · 12-29-2005, 10:52 AM

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But pardon me for not being excited for a lifetime .255 hitter. But hey, again, it's better than having Byrnes out there.

Batting average is for rubes. Burnitz's career OBP is .348 and his career isolated power, SLG - BA, is an excellent .230. He's on the decline, obviously.

Byrnes played one inning in right field for the 2005 O's. Sosa was probably the worst RF in baseball in 2005. Jay Gibbons played quite well there when given the opportunity.

darkhorse · 12-29-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

So far this off-season we've brought in 33-year-old Jeromy Burnitz to start in the outfield

Actually, he'll be 37 next year.

abailey3313 · 12-29-2005, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Byrnes played one inning in right field for the 2005 O's. Sosa was probably the worst RF in baseball in 2005. Jay Gibbons played quite well there when given the opportunity.

And I think Gibbons will be back there in '06. Burnitz is going to be out in left.

(Funny side note about Jay Gibbons...

A couple seasons ago, he was literally our best player. This was before Javy, before Tejada, before anyone, really. I remember going to a game against the White Sox that Gibbons didn't start. It went late into the game, maybe extra innings, I can't remember exactly. Whatever the case, Gibbons was called on to pinch hit. It was the most dramatic walk to the plate for any batter I've ever seen. They played a video hyping Gibbons for at least 60 seconds. His name flashed on the scoreboards, the whole nine.

Needless to say, he didn't do a thing. I just thought it was funny -- especially at the time -- that there was that much glitter surrounding Jay Gibbons.)

abailey3313 · 12-29-2005, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Actually, he'll be 37 next year.

No idea where I got 33 from.

darkhorse · 12-29-2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

And I think Gibbons will be back there in '06. Burnitz is going to be out in left.

A couple seasons ago, he was literally our best player.

Makes sense.

Interesting that Gibbons spent 46 games at DH so that the O's could get Sosa's "lethal" bat into the lineup.

No respect.

spleen1015 · 12-29-2005, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

No idea where I got 33 from.

I do...

Really. The Orioles need to give it up for 2-4 seasons and worry about drafting difference making players and look to compete through the farm system in 5 years.

Signing free agents isn't going to turn around this team when there's no more than 2 or 3 good parts to begin with.

Reading this book tells me that the Orioles won't win again until Angelos is no longer in control and we get somebody in there who knows what the hell they are doing...

abailey3313 · 12-29-2005, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Reading this book tells me that the Orioles won't win again until Angelos is no longer in control and we get somebody in there who knows what the hell they are doing...

From 33rd Street to Camden Yards : An Oral History of the Baltimore Orioles

I guess it's called "An Oral History" because they suck?

spleen1015 · 12-29-2005, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

From 33rd Street to Camden Yards : An Oral History of the Baltimore Orioles

I guess it's called "An Oral History" because they suck?

Have you read it? It is a good book, IMO. I learned a lot about the way the organization was run before 1986, when I started liking baseball.

abailey3313 · 12-29-2005, 11:29 AM

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Have you read it? It is a good book, IMO. I learned a lot about the way the organization was run before 1986, when I started liking baseball.

No, but I might have to pick it up. It really looks interesting.

Does it have any pictures? It's a 586 page book so I'm assuming it does. But I'd be even more interested if it had some decent photographs in there (Memorial Stadium, Camden Yards, etc).

rem · 12-29-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

He's on the decline, obviously.

He's posted sub .260 EQAs three of the past five years.

spleen1015 · 12-29-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

No, but I might have to pick it up. It really looks interesting.

Does it have any pictures? It's a 586 page book so I'm assuming it does. But I'd be even more interested if it had some decent photographs in there (Memorial Stadium, Camden Yards, etc).

In the middle of the book there are about 15-20 pages of pictures.

It is really interesting. I like how it starts off talking about how the team was brought to Baltimore, how the city embraced the franchise, etc. It also talks about how the entire organization was structured, defining the "Oriole Way'. It is very detailed the entire way. It is a very good read. Just talking about it makes me want to read it again.

abailey3313 · 12-29-2005, 11:08 PM

http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9123781

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SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- Disgruntled shortstop Miguel Tejada is "more upset" with the Baltimore Orioles because they haven't gotten stronger in the offseason than with the team not fulfilling his trade request.

"Now, I am more upset than when I requested the trade because it's been a month and they haven't done anything," Tejada told the Associated Press on Thursday.

Call me crazy, but didn't he later back track and say that he never requested a trade but instead voiced his frustrations that the team hadn't done anything to improve?

QuestGAV · 12-29-2005, 11:23 PM

He publicly backtracked and at the same time apparently was riding the Baltimore front office to deal him anyway.

rem · 12-30-2005, 12:29 PM

He's probably just upset that Rafeal Furcal is making more money than him.

atarizx3 · 12-30-2005, 12:43 PM

you mean Conine and Burnitz aren't improvements?

JWay · 12-30-2005, 12:43 PM

so ummmm, I like Melvin Mora

abailey3313 · 01-02-2006, 01:27 AM

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Several news outlets are reporting that Orioles SS Miguel Tejada has stepped up his demand for a trade and the Newark Star-Ledger says one possibility is a multi-team deal in which Mets pitcher Kris Benson would end up in Baltimore, Tejada would go to Boston and Red Sox OF Manny Ramirez would wind up with the Mets.

These rumors get more and more frustrating.

QuestGAV · 01-02-2006, 01:39 AM

For what it's worth this seems like one of those NY media rumors that they try to get people to buy papers with because it's indeed too good to be true. NY teams are always apparently " " this close to getting one of the top ten players in the league and giving their salary headaches in return. Nothing new here.

Skywalker76 · 01-02-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

From 33rd Street to Camden Yards : An Oral History of the Baltimore Orioles

I guess it's called "An Oral History" because they suck?

I'm reading it right now and it's an awesome book. Like it was said before, especially that first part of building the "Orioles Way" is very, very good and funny. There's a story about on outfielder in the 50's who played in socks because he was afraid of thunder and lightning.

Newest rumor on the Hangout has Miggy vs Manny and Clement pending on Manny wanting a 2 year 20million extension.

Joshv02 · 01-03-2006, 08:32 AM

The 3 and 4 way deals are somewhat roto sounding in their silliness. I can't see most of 'em happening.

But, today the Sun and the Herald are each reporting that the Sox are the frontrunners in a Manny/Clement for Tejada deal. The Herald is "reporting" that Manny wants his last two option years picked up now and a "throw-in" of Markikas. A deal may happen this week or next.

Ha!

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Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	The 3 and 4 way deals are somewhat roto sounding in their silliness. I can't see most of 'em happening. But, today the Sun and the Herald are each reporting that the Sox are the frontrunners in a Manny/Clement for Tejada deal. The Herald is "reporting" that Manny wants his last two option years picked up now and a "throw-in" of Markikas. A deal may happen this week or next. Ha! __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

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QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,008	He publicly backtracked and at the same time apparently was riding the Baltimore front office to deal him anyway.

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JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,021	so ummmm, I like Melvin Mora

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QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,008	For what it's worth this seems like one of those NY media rumors that they try to get people to buy papers with because it's indeed too good to be true. NY teams are always apparently " " this close to getting one of the top ten players in the league and giving their salary headaches in return. Nothing new here.