The Hall of Fame Ballot - Page 3

jf7623 · 11-28-2005, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

I'd wager that Palmeiro gave far more to the game of baseball and took far less, and I wonder if he'll get a well-deserved spot.

Rafael deserves a spot as well, when his time comes. So what about McGwire then?

Will Dwight Gooden get in, cause he has had alot of trouble with the law in the past few years

Luis_Rivera · 11-28-2005, 06:43 PM

My vote would be just Blyleven and Trammel.

I bet Sutter gets in though. Gross.

Luis_Rivera · 11-28-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jf7623

Rafael deserves a spot as well, when his time comes. So what about McGwire then?

Will Dwight Gooden get in, cause he has had alot of trouble with the law in the past few years

Dwight Gooden won't get in because the voters, while moronic at times, aren't picking names out of a hat.

Davey Eckstein · 11-28-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jf7623

Rafael deserves a spot as well, when his time comes. So what about McGwire then?

Will Dwight Gooden get in, cause he has had alot of trouble with the law in the past few years

I wouldn't put him in, and it has nothing to do with law trouble...

darkhorse · 11-28-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jf7623

Rafael deserves a spot as well, when his time comes. So what about McGwire then?

Will Dwight Gooden get in, cause he has had alot of trouble with the law in the past few years

McGwire is certainly worthy of serious consideration.

Gooden? Nah. Not because of any off the diamond activity, but because his career doesn't measure up.

The Professor · 11-28-2005, 06:47 PM

Blyleven, Gossage and Trammel would get votes from me.

Sutter will probably get in, which makes Gossage's exclusion even more baffling (to me).

fantom1979 · 11-28-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

Dwight Gooden won't get in because the voters, while moronic at times, aren't picking names out of a hat.

Even though the stat is overrated, I thought it was interesting to see that Gooden in 12 career postseason games (9 starts), he never won one (0-4).

darkhorse · 11-28-2005, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

My vote would be just Blyleven and Trammel.

I bet Sutter gets in though. Gross.

If Sutter gets in, every reliever past, present, and future will do a jig, as the door will have been kicked wide open by the new, low standard.

Luis_Rivera · 11-28-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

Blyleven, Gossage and Trammel would get votes from me.

Whoops! Forgot Dick...

Add Gossage to my list and ditto to what Prof put down.

Davey Eckstein · 11-28-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

If Sutter gets in, every reliever past, present, and future will do a jig, as the door will have been kicked wide open by the new, low standard.

Sutter in over Lee Smith?

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Luis_Rivera · 11-28-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

If Sutter gets in, every reliever past, present, and future will do a jig, as the door will have been kicked wide open by the new, low standard.

Nah, I would imagine that his rep with the general populace is above what we think of him.

Although, if he gets in, I believe Lee Smith will do a crazy jig because if Sutter gets in, he probably will.

Davey Eckstein · 11-28-2005, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

Nah, I would imagine that his rep with the general populace is above what we think of him.

Although, if he gets in, I believe Lee Smith will do a crazy jig because if Sutter gets in, he probably will.

Well in all actuality, neither of them (or any retired reliever I can think of) deserve to be in. I know you're not saying they do, but I'm just throwing it out...

But hey, I'm all for jigs!

darkhorse · 11-28-2005, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

Nah, I would imagine that his rep with the general populace is above what we think of him.

Although, if he gets in, I believe Lee Smith will do a crazy jig because if Sutter gets in, he probably will.

If Sutter is in, then it appears that 300 saves becomes the baseline for serious consideration. That makes a host of closers viable candidates.

Vezna31 · 11-28-2005, 07:00 PM

My pick...Pete Rose only (as a write-in obviously). Yeah, he gambled on baseball and was a despicable character at times, but there are others as well who just who did stuff but didn't get caught. Look at how Ty Cobb used to go into crowds and fight people, or fight anyone for that matter. Some people say he was the nastiest person in all of baseball. Let the accomplishments speak for themselves. If character is an issue, then half (or more) of the Hall should be voted out.

fantom1979 · 11-28-2005, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

If Sutter is in, then it appears that 300 saves becomes the baseline for serious consideration. That makes a host of closers viable candidates.

Rank Player Saves Throws
1. Lee Smith 478 R
2. Trevor Hoffman 436 R
3. John Franco* 424 L
4. Dennis Eckersley 390 R
5. Mariano Rivera 379 R
6. Jeff Reardon 367 R
7. Randy Myers* 347 L
8. Rollie Fingers+ 341 R
9. John Wetteland 330 R
10. Roberto Hernandez 324 R
Troy Percival 324 R
12. Jose Mesa 319 R
13. Rick Aguilera 318 R
14. Robb Nen 314 R
15. Tom Henke 311 R
16. Rich Gossage 310 R
17. Jeff Montgomery 304 R
18. Doug Jones 303 R
19. Bruce Sutter 300 R
20. Rod Beck 286 R
21. Billy Wagner* 284 L
22. Armando Benitez 263 R
23. Todd Worrell 256 R
24. Dave Righetti* 252 L
25. Dan Quisenberry 244 R
26. Sparky Lyle* 238 L
27. Ugueth Urbina 237 R
28. Hoyt Wilhelm+ 227 R
29. Todd Jones 226 R
30. Gene Garber 218 R
31. Gregg Olson 217 R
32. Jason Isringhausen 216 R
Dave Smith 216 R
34. Bob Wickman 214 R
35. Jeff Shaw 203 R
36. Bobby Thigpen 201 R
37. Roy Face 193 R
Mike Henneman 193 R
39. Mitch Williams* 192 L
40. Keith Foulke 190 R

Vezna31 · 11-28-2005, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jf7623

Rafael deserves a spot as well, when his time comes. So what about McGwire then?

I think McGwire is a shoe-in. Raffy...I'm not so sure of because he was caught doing steroids. If McGwire had been caught, then maybe some backlash.

UngratefulDead · 11-28-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vezna31

I think McGwire is a shoe-in. Raffy...I'm not so sure of because he was caught doing steroids. If McGwire had been caught, then maybe some backlash.

I know there has been a ton of threads on this, but I'm totally baffled as to how people can consider steroids worse than gambling on baseball.

darkhorse · 11-28-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vezna31

If character is an issue, then half (or more) of the Hall should be voted out.

This issue has been hashed out innumerable times before. Do a thread search if you'd like to tilt at that windmill. Betting on baseball is far more than a character issue.

TotalEnd98 · 11-28-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vezna31

My pick...Pete Rose only (as a write-in obviously). Yeah, he gambled on baseball and was a despicable character at times, but there are others as well who just who did stuff but didn't get caught. Look at how Ty Cobb used to go into crowds and fight people, or fight anyone for that matter. Some people say he was the nastiest person in all of baseball. Let the accomplishments speak for themselves. If character is an issue, then half (or more) of the Hall should be voted out.

Fighting is not punishable by permanent ineligibility. Poor character, on its own, is not punishable by permanent ineligibility. Not only is betting on one's own team punishable by permanent ineligibility, but Rose signed an agreement and declared himself permanently ineligible before MLB proved anything.

Vezna31 · 11-28-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

I know there has been a ton of threads on this, but I'm totally baffled as to how people can consider steroids worse than gambling on baseball.

I don't consider it worse. The fact that Palmeiro got caught right when he was getting 3000 hits and securing his bid may sway the writers.

11-28-2005, 06:47 PM	#46
The Professor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East of East Posts: 3,020	Blyleven, Gossage and Trammel would get votes from me. Sutter will probably get in, which makes Gossage's exclusion even more baffling (to me). __________________ History isn't really about the past - settling old scores. It's about defining the present and who we are."

11-28-2005, 07:00 PM	#54
Vezna31 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wherever My VPN says Posts: 1,989	My pick...Pete Rose only (as a write-in obviously). Yeah, he gambled on baseball and was a despicable character at times, but there are others as well who just who did stuff but didn't get caught. Look at how Ty Cobb used to go into crowds and fight people, or fight anyone for that matter. Some people say he was the nastiest person in all of baseball. Let the accomplishments speak for themselves. If character is an issue, then half (or more) of the Hall should be voted out. __________________ Owner/Operator - Vezna Financial Services - Accounting and taxes.

11-28-2005, 06:43 PM	#42
Luis_Rivera Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,177	My vote would be just Blyleven and Trammel. I bet Sutter gets in though. Gross.