YES!!! - Beckett traded to Boston - Done Deal per Gammons!!! - Page 3

Melo · 11-22-2005, 08:19 AM

Lowell was supposed to start working with his old hitting coach, Larry Denbo. I think Lowell's problem can be corrected. He wasn't getting his hands far enough back before he started his swing and was keeping his front knee bent, which was robbing him of power (credit to Keith Hernandez). If Lowell corrects those issues he can be close to what he was before.

jaxmagicman · 11-22-2005, 08:28 AM

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It's what happens when a team gets fixated on a particular goal, in this case filling the SS position, and the myopia results in an inferior deal. Jon Daniels could have done the same and wildly overcompensated the Marlins to fill a perceived pitching need. I'm liking this kid more every day.

Which is confusing to me because the Marlins already have Luna to play SS. He doesn't hit, but neither did Gonzalez. I guess if Sanchez can give us Gonzalez type offense and decent defense they will be satisfied. I think this is a deal that could work out for both teams.

andjbock · 11-22-2005, 08:45 AM

Has Mike Lowell's name ever been tossed around with steroids?

Sublimity · 11-22-2005, 08:55 AM

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Has Mike Lowell's never ever been tossed around with steroids?

I've always personally considered the possibility, but I haven't heard it come up in the South Florida press or anywhere else. I would've remembered if I had heard it.

Joshv02 · 11-22-2005, 08:58 AM

I thought he had to take steriods for his cancer treatment, but was not allowed to get a waiver from the Commish's office last year?

plus1handicap · 11-22-2005, 08:58 AM

I was under the impression that Theo also was willing to take on Lowell and that he seemed pretty confident that Lowell would rebound with line drives on the Monster - pretty much making him a doubles machine until the power came back.

Still - Lowell (with or without power) is a gold glove 3B and depending on the money the Marlins throw into the deal could prove to be a steal next year. At least I am hoping so. Read this morning that Youks is now in line to start at 1B.

Also heard that the Sox may be swinging Lowell to the Twins? Anyone here about this with more detail other than the blanket statement?

Gastric ReFlux · 11-22-2005, 09:04 AM

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I love Anibal, and I loved GR's Anibal thread even more.

That said, Becket is 25 and a stud. If Anibal has a 30% chance of being a #1/2 pitcher, Becket has a 75% chance -- only contingent on health.

Anytime you can get a top pitcher you do. Great trade!

I'm just happy with didn't trade all our top pitchers for a catcher whom no one likes and who has too many letters in his name!

Yes, I'd agree with that assessment. Beckett is pretty well a proven commodity at this point, and probably the only concern now is the workload he has already had as a young pitcher.

And of course I have a peculiar fondness now for Sanchez, having taken the time to go to see him pitch and score his games pitch by pitch. I just thought he had a lovely fluid delivery, with a nice whiplike action while bringing the arm around.

jaxmagicman · 11-22-2005, 09:11 AM

I am still trying to fathom why the Twins would want another corner infielder.

plus1handicap · 11-22-2005, 09:12 AM

Lets also not forget that the Beckett trade also makes Wells available for trade - perhaps even Arroyo?

DiMaggio5CF · 11-22-2005, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Melo

Lowell was supposed to start working with his old hitting coach, Larry Denbo. I think Lowell's problem can be corrected. He wasn't getting his hands far enough back before he started his swing and was keeping his front knee bent, which was robbing him of power (credit to Keith Hernandez). If Lowell corrects those issues he can be close to what he was before.

I don't think Lowell is necessarily done, but I wouldn't bet anything on him getting any better. But the thing is that Lowell, even without improving his skills, will put up better numbers hitting in Fenway.

But Beckett is the real prize here. Expect his numbers to go up pitching in the American League, but he's still going to be good.

He's no guarantee to shut down the Yankees because, let's face it, when he beat the Yankees in Game Six of the 2003 World Series, they way they were hitting, you could have shut them down. But that said, that win still got him over the Yankee-indimidation factor, which is afflicting less and less people these days.

The biggest issue with Beckett is the injuries. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when -- and the Sox fans just has to hope that he doesn't go down at the most important times.

The deal was that the team that got Beckett would have to deal with Lowell. But the Red Sox, because of their park, got the stud in Beckett and a guy who can actually help them in Lowell.

As a Yankee fan, I hate this trade, but I have to admit that it was a great job by the Red Sox.

And the Rangers, by the way, even though they would have to give up much more than the Red Sox had to, dropped the ball. They're on the verge of being a serious contender, and all they need is pitching, and this was a chance to get a good young pitcher. I could understand the refusal to trade prospects for a veteran, but Beckett would fit in perfectly with their young team.

DiMaggio5CF · 11-22-2005, 01:27 PM

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Lets also not forget that the Beckett trade also makes Wells available for trade - perhaps even Arroyo?

Arroyo will bring them something of value, but Wells will not.

darkhorse · 11-22-2005, 02:41 PM

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1. And the Rangers, by the way, even though they would have to give up much more than the Red Sox had to, dropped the ball.

2. They're on the verge of being a serious contender, and all they need is pitching, and this was a chance to get a good young pitcher.

3. I could understand the refusal to trade prospects for a veteran, but Beckett would fit in perfectly with their young team.

1. Hardly, they made a good offer, better than the Red Sox, and it was rejected.

2. Beckett isn't the only option.

3. The Rangers offered John Danks, the best pitching prospect in their minor league system, along with Hank Blalock.

ozziethesaint · 11-22-2005, 02:47 PM

The Rangers should thank god that their offer was refused. Beckett will continue spending way too much time on the DL. To give up Danks and Blalock for a guy that's been on the DL 11 times in 5 seasons would be stupid

QuestGAV · 11-22-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ozziethesaint

The Rangers should thank god that their offer was refused. Beckett will continue spending way too much time on the DL. To give up Danks and Blalock for a guy that's been on the DL 11 times in 5 seasons would be stupid

Does anyone else like the deal even more now that ozzie has registered his objection?

ozziethesaint · 11-22-2005, 02:59 PM

well just cause you don't like me, you can't argue the fact that Beckett has consistently struggled with blisters and spends a lot of time on the DL.

three staR · 11-22-2005, 03:00 PM

I think Boston get's the better part of this deal. Beckett, in my opinion, is a good pitcher with a lot of upside. Lowell was already a good hitter and I am sure he can fix up his technique and become a power hitter again, maybe replacing Manny in the Red Sox lineup (assuming Manny leaves this year).

QuestGAV · 11-22-2005, 03:02 PM

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well just cause you don't like me, you can't argue the fact that Beckett has consistently struggled with blisters and spends a lot of time on the DL.

It's not that I don't like you. It's that I think your analysis is consistently assbackward. If that trend continues with this post then the Red Sox have done a wonderful job!

TotalEnd98 · 11-22-2005, 03:13 PM

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Lowell was already a good hitter and I am sure he can fix up his technique and become a power hitter again, maybe replacing Manny in the Red Sox lineup (assuming Manny leaves this year).

I think I've got just as much of a shot as Lowell does at hitting well enough to replace Manny's production.

mh2365 · 11-22-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ozziethesaint

The Rangers should thank god that their offer was refused. Beckett will continue spending way too much time on the DL. To give up Danks and Blalock for a guy that's been on the DL 11 times in 5 seasons would be stupid

25 years old and has averaged 25 starts a year over the last 4 years. Going to a team who has been known in the past NOT to overwork their pitchers (Pedro started what once every 10 days?) instead of being on a team who blows out young arms all the time.

Blalock is a decent player but his stats have gone down 2 years in a row now. Danks could be good, but that's the thing Beckett is good, Danks could be good. No guarentee. Rangers made a mistake on this one plain and simple. Now history may prove that wrong but going on what is known right now .... Rangers made a mistake.

three staR · 11-22-2005, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TotalEnd98

I think I've got just as much of a shot as Lowell does at hitting well enough to replace Manny's production.

Well maybe "replace" was too strong of a word. I meant more of, alleviating Manny's production loss.

11-22-2005, 08:45 AM	#43
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11-22-2005, 08:58 AM	#46
plus1handicap Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 139	I was under the impression that Theo also was willing to take on Lowell and that he seemed pretty confident that Lowell would rebound with line drives on the Monster - pretty much making him a doubles machine until the power came back. Still - Lowell (with or without power) is a gold glove 3B and depending on the money the Marlins throw into the deal could prove to be a steal next year. At least I am hoping so. Read this morning that Youks is now in line to start at 1B. Also heard that the Sox may be swinging Lowell to the Twins? Anyone here about this with more detail other than the blanket statement? __________________ Brian - Plus1Handicap (it's a golf thing!)

11-22-2005, 09:11 AM	#48
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plus1handicap Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 139	Lets also not forget that the Beckett trade also makes Wells available for trade - perhaps even Arroyo? __________________ Brian - Plus1Handicap (it's a golf thing!)

11-22-2005, 08:19 AM	#41
Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	Lowell was supposed to start working with his old hitting coach, Larry Denbo. I think Lowell's problem can be corrected. He wasn't getting his hands far enough back before he started his swing and was keeping his front knee bent, which was robbing him of power (credit to Keith Hernandez). If Lowell corrects those issues he can be close to what he was before.

11-22-2005, 02:47 PM	#53
ozziethesaint Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Peoria IL Posts: 831	The Rangers should thank god that their offer was refused. Beckett will continue spending way too much time on the DL. To give up Danks and Blalock for a guy that's been on the DL 11 times in 5 seasons would be stupid

11-22-2005, 02:59 PM	#55
ozziethesaint Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Peoria IL Posts: 831	well just cause you don't like me, you can't argue the fact that Beckett has consistently struggled with blisters and spends a lot of time on the DL.

11-22-2005, 03:00 PM	#56
three staR Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 24	I think Boston get's the better part of this deal. Beckett, in my opinion, is a good pitcher with a lot of upside. Lowell was already a good hitter and I am sure he can fix up his technique and become a power hitter again, maybe replacing Manny in the Red Sox lineup (assuming Manny leaves this year).