Set in Stone... MLB Players Stay with Original Franchises - Page 3

tward13 · 11-03-2005, 10:14 AM

Another exciting rookie class. Turkey Mike! Some good pitching, Leever, Chesbro, McGinnity, Phillipe, Hahn. Beaumont's a lesser known, but excellent player.

Vris · 11-03-2005, 11:14 AM

Finally. Some names I recognize.

KUTGW!

Matt from TN · 11-03-2005, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Matt are those actual pictures of the players or are you just assigning those cool looking ones at random? Those are sweet pics.

Real photos. That's why only some of them are posted.

Matt from TN · 11-04-2005, 03:30 PM

1899

Code:

Team                        W   L   %  GB
Philadelphia Phillies      92  58 .613 -
Pittsburgh Pirates         87  63 .580 5
Chicago Orphans            78  72 .520 14
Cleveland Spiders          77  73 .513 15
Baltimore Orioles          75  75 .500 17
Boston Beaneaters          72  78 .480 20
Louisville Colonels        72  78 .480 20
Cincinnati Reds            71  79 .473 21
Brooklyn Superbas          68  82 .453 24
New York Giants            58  92 .387 34

Philadelphia Phillies

The Pirates led the way for most of the season but the Phillies hung tough the whole way and pulled out the pennant. With 6 days left in the season, Philly and Pittsburgh were tied for the league lead. On Sept 7, Pittsburgh lost 7-5 to Brooklyn while the Phillies beat Boston 11-8. The Phillies finished the season on a 9-game winning streak (including two wins over Pittsburgh) while the Pirates dropped their final 5 games. This was just the Phillies 2nd pennant, and their first since 1887.

Big Ed Delahanty was named the league's Top Batter. He hit .347 with 95 RBI, both team highs. Nap Lajoie hit just .298 but drilled 11 HRs with 90 RBI. Sliding Billy Hamilton hit .328 and stole 49 bases. 1B Mike Grady hit .288 with 93 RBI. The rest of the lineup had no slackers: Cupid Childs (.309, 74 RBI), Lave Cross (.288, 61 RBI), Elmer Flick (.280, 87 RBI), Jack Clements (.317, 66 RBI).

The pitching staff was one of the league's best. Rookie Ned Garvin went 25-12 with a 2.89 ERA. He nearly won Top Rookie honors and he was even in the Top Pitcher running. Bill Vinton went 23-12, 3.25 and rookie Bill Bernhard went 15-12, 3.32.

Pittsburgh Pirates

The Pirates were stunned by their pennant collapse after leading the league or being among the top teams all season long. They point to their pitching staff as the cause of most of their woes. Brownie Foreman went 12-4 with a 2.97 ERA, but he started just 16 games. Among the regular starters, Bill Phillips 3.59 ERA was the best, and he managed a 22-17 record. Rookie Sam Leever went 23-15 with a 3.67 ERA, and Red Ehret went 17-11, 3.72. After winning 24 games last season, Tom Colcolough went 7-14, 5.97 and was pulled out of the rotation by the beginning of July.

The offense had no concerns as every regular starter hit over .300. The team hit .301. SS Fred Shugart led the team with a .359 average. Rookie 2B Jimmy Williams hit .322 and led the league with both his 15 HRs and 107 RBI. CF Jake Stenzel hit .304 with 91 RBI. 1B Jake Beckley hit .307 with 84 RBI. Rookie Ginger Beaumont was among the league leaders all season and hit .352. Elmer Smith hit .323.

Chicago Orphans

After a .500 season in 1898, the newly named Orphans returned to their winning ways, although they were unhappy with just a 78-72 record. 1B Bill Everitt led the team with a .336 average, but LF Jimmy Ryan and his 81 RBI were right behind with a .330 average. Rookie Frank Chance hit .307 with 87 RBI. SS Bill Dahlen hit .310 with 77 RBI, and RF Sam Dungan hit .315 wth 88 RBI. 2B Pete O'Brien hit just .293 but led the team with his 8 HRs and 104 RBI. Pitching was once again this team's downfall. Jocko Flynn (22-16, 3.76) and Clark Griffith (16-10, 3.36) were dependable, but the rest of the staff provided little.

Cleveland Spiders

In contrast to the three teams ahead of them, the resurgant Spiders did not have a dominant offense. 1B Jake Virtue (.350, 10 HR, 100 RBI) was their best hitter, and catcher Dirty Jack Doyle (.305, 15 HR, 77 RBI) provided some extra power. RF Vince Dailey hit .326, but overall the team struggled to score runs consistently. Their pitching improved from recent seasons, but it was not enough to get them more than 4 games above .500. In his 3rd season, Jack Powell (22-13, 3.16) is becoming the ace of the staff. Some thought Lady Baldwin was washed up at age 40, but he went 15-13 with a 3.78 ERA. That gave him 304 career wins despite not debuting in the majors until age 26. Cy Young continues to baffle team management. He went 17-18 with a 4.42 ERA.

Baltimore Orioles

The Orioles nearly had their first winning season, but a win in their final game gave them a 75-75 record.RF Jack McGeachy was a pleasant surprise, hitting .338 with 94 RBI. 26-year-old John McGraw (.299, 54 RBI) saw his production dip slightly in his first year as a full-time shortstop. Playing regularly at 3B, Bert Myers hit .305 with 62 RBI. And rookie 2B Bill Keister hit .317 with 74 RBI. The secret to the team's season was pitching. In his 3rd season, Joe Corbett went 24-10 with a 2.69 ERA and was named Top Pitcher. He is only 23 but he looks like the cornerstone of this team for years to come. Arlie Pond had a very good season going 17-14, 2.92. Rookie Joe McGinnity (15-12, 3.99) had a respectable start to his career, but Pink Hawley (12-20, 4.43) was a big disappointment.

Boston Beaneaters

Boston did not have a truly dominant pitcher, but all four of their starters had ERA's of 3.62 or better. Kid Nichols (18-16, 3.07), Bill Daley (20-18, 3.62), Vic Willis (17-19, 3.22) and Bill Stemmeyer (10-12, 3.46) kept this team afloat. The offense complimented the pitching and many are unsure why this team did not win more games. 3B Billy Nash hit .324. RF Chick Stahl hit .336. 1B Fred Tenney hit .332. CF Joe Kelley hit .308 with 10 HR and 69 RBI. 2B Jimmy Collins hit just .266 but drove in 84 RBI.

Louisville Colonels

This team's offense is not great, but they do have some star players. Honus Wagner was stunning in his first full season. He ht .350 with 11 HR and 93 RBI. Forced to move to an unfamiliar second base, Hughie Jennings still hit .329. RF Tom McCreery hit .346 with 84 RBI.LF Fred Clarke hit .294 with 78 RBI. Phil Knell (20-17, 2.89) had a great season on the mound, but the rest of the staff posted ERA's between 4.12 and 4.60.

Cincinnati Reds

This season was highlighted by the debut of Noodles Hahn. The 20-year-old Tennessean went 23-16 with a 2.62 league-leading ERA and was named Top Rookie. Amos Rusie (15-17, 3.64) had a solid season, but Elton Chamberlain (17-20, 4.16) and Jesse Tannehill (10-17, 4.90) were big disappointments. LF Willie Murphy led the team with a .325 average. 1B Otto Schomberg hit .300 and led the Reds with 84 RBI. Catcher Jocko Halligan hit .311 with 73 RBI, and RF Dusty Miller hit .322.

Brooklyn Superbas

After winning the 1898 pennant, Brooklyn and their new name, the Superbas, fell flat. Last season's Top Batter Michael Griffin saw his production plummet from .366, 96 RBI, .934 OPS to .294, 72 RBI, .799 OPS this season. Fielder Jones hit .339 and LF Jimmy Sheckard hit .333 and led the team with 79 RBI in his first season as a regular starter. 1B John Anderson hit .299 with 77 RBI. Rookie Harry Howell went 20-14 with a 2.93 ERA and could be a star in the making. The rest of the rotation is looking old however.

New York Giants

3B John Rainey, at age 35, led the batting race for most of the season. He was hitting over .400 until the last day of July. He wound up with a .380 average which was still good enough for a batting title. CF Mike Tiernan hit .314 with 12 HRs and 88 RBI. RF Willie Keeler hit .349 with 102 RBI. And LF Jesse Burkett wrapped up the monster outfield with a .332 average and 71 RBI. Ed Doheny managed 18 wins with his 4.08 ERA. The top ERA on the team belonged to Bill George (12-21, 3.98) but he still lost 21 games. That was not the worst though as John Ewing went 10-24 with a 4.93 ERA, likely signaling the end of his career at age 36. After winning pennants in 1890 and 1895, this team has quickly become a laughing stock.

Batting AVG
.380 John Rainey, NYG
.359 Fred Shugart, PIT
.352 Ginger Beaumont, PIT
.350 Jake Virtue, CLS
.350 Honus Wagner, LVC
.349 Willie Keeler, NYG
.347 Ed Delahanty, PHI

HOMERUNS
15 Jimmy Williams, PIT
15 Jack Doyle, CLS
12 Mike Tiernan, NYG
11 Honus Wagner, LVC
11 Nap Lajoie, PHI

RBI
107 Jimmy Williams, PIT
104 Peter O'Brien, CHC
102 Willie Keeler, NYG
100 Jake Virtue, CLS
95 Ed Delahanty, PHI

OPS
.917 Ed Delahanty, PHI
.905 Honus Wagner, LVC
.884 John Rainey, NYG
.873 Jimmy Sheckard, BRO
.867 Jake Virtue, CLS

STEALS
65 John McGraw, BLO (65-33, 66.33%)
64 Hughie Jennings, LVC (64-23, 73.26%)
64 Vince Dailey, CLS (64-15, 81.01%)
62 Bill Lange, CHC (62-21, 74.70%)
59 Honus Wagner, LVC (59-19, 75.64%)

ERA
2.62 Noodles Hahn, CIN (23-16)
2.69 Joe Corbett, BLO (24-10)
2.89 Ned Garvin, PHI (25-12)
2.89 Phil Knell, LVC (20-17)
2.92 Arlie Pond, BLO (17-14)

WINS
25 Ned Garvin, PHI
24 Joe Corbett, BLO
23 Noodles Hahn, CIN
23 Sam Leever, PIT (3.67, 23.15)
23 Bill Vinton, PHI (23-12, 3.25)

STRIKEOUTS
289 Bill Daley, BSN (20-18, 3.62)
264 Joe Corbett, BLO
255 Doc McJames, LVC (19-18, 4.12)
236 Willard Mains, CHC (16-20, 4.58)
233 George Keefe, BRO (16-19, 3.71)
218 Noodles Hahn, CIN

POY: Joe Corbett, BLO, 24-10, 2.69 ERA, 62 BB, 264 K, .242 OAVG, 1.10 WHIP
BOY: CF Ed Delahanty, PHI, .347, 95 RBI, 40 SB, .917 OPS
ROY: Noodles Hahn, CIN, 23-16, 2.62 ERA, 56 BB, 218 K, .239 OAVG, 1.07 WHIP

Matt from TN · 11-04-2005, 04:53 PM

1900 provides us with an interesting quandry. Louisville and Baltimore disband so all their players need new teams. I expect players to go where they really played in 1900, so Wagner will be with Pittsburgh for example. The rest though, I have to decide if either their careers are over of if I just place them on a random team.

Plus in 1901, the AL begins and I can't help but wonder what those rosters will look like, since many of their initial players came from the NL. It should be interesting, but I would think the NL might dominate the first few World Series.

And btw, the Spiders become the Cardinals in 1900.

tward13 · 11-04-2005, 09:02 PM

You may need to put those spare players on AL teams if you can find any justification at all. Mainly becuase the AL teams stocked their rosters by raiding NL teams.

Matt from TN · 11-05-2005, 10:21 AM

1900 Player Distribution

Here is a list of key players from Baltimore and Louisville and where they will play in 1900.

Boston

1B/CF Buck Freeman, Age 28
7/10/10/5/7 over 9/10/10/4/6
1899: .256, 9 HR, 90 RBI, .710 OPS

C/1B Boileryard Clark, Age 31
6/7/7/4/6 over 6/6/6/4/5
1899: .289, 41 RBI, .676 OPS in 370 AB

CF Billy Lush, Age 26
6/6/7/10/5 over 7/7/6/10/6
1899: AAA

Brooklyn

P Doc McJames, Age 26
10/5/7 over 10/6/8
1899: 19-18, 4.12 ERA, 1.39 WHIP
1898: 19-22, 2.90 ERA, 1.14 WHIP

P Joe McGinnity, Age 28
5/7/8 over 8/7/8
1899: 15-12, 3.99 ERA, 1.40 WHIP

SS Hughie Jennings, Age 30
8/8/5/3/9 over 8/8/4/3/8
1899: .329, 54 RBI, 107 R, 64 SB, .798 OPS

Chicago

P Arlie Pond, Age 28
7/7/7 over 6/8/7
1899: 17-14, 2.92 ERA, 1.24 WHIP

P Scott Stratton, Age 30
3/9/9 over 4/10/9
1899: AAA
1898: AAA
1897: 19-14, 4.04 ERA, 1.44 WHIP

RF Tommy Dowd, Age 31
6/5/8/7/6 over 7/5/9/8/6
1899: .256, .643 OPS in 129 AB
1898: .299, 41 RBI, .771 OPS in 311 AB

Cincinnati

LF Kip Selbach, Age 27
7/8/8/9/7 over 8/9/9/9/6
1899: .327, 18 RBI, .844 OPS in 162 AB

CF Ollie Pickering, Age 29
6/6/6/6/6 over 7/7/6/7/6
1899: .196, .418 OPS in 51 AB

New York

RF Tom McCreery, Age 25
8/9/8/6/4 over 8/9/7/6/3
1899: .346, 84 RBI, 100 R, 28 SB, .850 OPS

P Pink Hawley, Age 27
7/9/6 over 8/9/5
1899: 12-20, 4.43 ERA, .141 WHIP

LF Ducky Holmes, Age 31
6/8/6/5/6 over 5/9/6/5/5
1899: .174, .548 OPS in 23 AB

CF Charlie Abbey, Age 33
6/7/7/6/5 over 6/7/7/6/6
1899: .305, 50 RBI, .755 OPS in 413 AB

Philadelphia

1B Klondike Douglass, Age 27
6/6/8/6/6 over 7/7/7/6/6
1899: .260, 51 RBI, .671 OPS in 362 AB

3B Bert Myers, Age 25
6/5/4/5/6 over 6/5/4/6/6
1899: .305, 62 RBI, .695 OPS in 485 AB

Pittsburgh

SS Honus Wagner, Age 26
10/10/9/6/6 over 10/10/9/7/6
1899: .350, 11 HR, 93 RBI, 59 SB, .905 OPS

P Phil Knell, Age 34
8/4/8 over 8/5/9
1899: 20-17, 2.89 ERA, 1.22 WHIP

LF Fred Clarke, Age 27
9/9/7/7/5 over 9/9/7/8/6
1899: .294, 78 RBI, 36 SB, .758 OPS

1B Tom O'Brien, Age 27
7/7/8/6/6 over 7/7/8/6/6
1899: .254, 51 RBI, .639 OPS

2B Lou Bierbauer, Age 34
6/6/7/4/8 over 6/6/7/4/9
1899: .333, .933 OPS in 30 AB

3B Tommy Leach, Age 22
6/5/7/6/5 over 5/8/8/5/4
1899: AAA

P Deacon Phillippe, Age 27
8/8/3 over 8/9/3
1899: AAA
Somehow I managed to leave him in AAA

St. Louis (formerly Cleveland)

CF Mike Donlin, Age 21
6/7/10/6/6 over 10/9/9/6/6
1899: .288, 15 RBI, .708 OPS in 111 AB

P Joe Corbett, Age 24
10/6/7 over 10/7/6
1899: 24-10, 2.69 ERA, 1.10 WHIP - Top Pitcher Award

LF Frank Huelsman, Age 25
6/9/5/7/6 over 7/10/6/7/6
1899: AA

3B/SS John McGraw, Age 26
8/5/7/7/8 over 8/5/6/8/7
1899: .299, 54 RBI, 94 R, .711 OPS

C Wilbert Robinson, Age 36
6/7/3/3/5 over 6/8/3/4/5
1899: .351, 21 RBI, .820 OPS in 205 AB
1898: .296, 45 RBI, .684 OPS in 473 AB

2B Bill Keister, Age 25
8/9/7/2/6 over 7/9/8/2/6
1899: .317, 74 RBI, .767 OPS as rookie in 439 AB

1B/OF Duff Cooley, Age 26
7/6/7/5/7 over 7/5/7/6/6
1899: .272, 62 RBI, .632 OPS

Matt from TN · 11-07-2005, 11:38 AM

Key Incoming Rookies for 1900:

Chicago

3B Bill Bradley
--- Age 22, 9/10/9/3/6 talent
--- Patsy Tabeau has been the team's 3B for the past 10 seasons, but he's over the hill. At age 26, Harry Wolverton (6/7/5/5/6) looks to have the job this year but Bradley will almost certainly take over in 1901. The question this year is whether or not Bradley will be in AAA.

CF Zaza Harvey
--- Age 21, 9/7/6/4/6 talent
--- An exciting hitter but several seasons from being developed. Will be in low A this year.

Cincinnati

CF Jimmy Barrett
--- Age 24, 7/5/6/10/6 talent

RF "Wahoo Sam" Crawford
--- Age 19, 9/10/9/5/7 talent

New York

P Pete Dowling
--- Age 24, 8/5/6 talent

Pittsburgh

P Rube Waddell
--- Age 23, 10/6/3 talent

1B John Ganzel
--- Age 25, 6/8/7/4/6 talent

Matt from TN · 11-09-2005, 11:52 PM

1900

Code:

Team                        W   L   %  GB
Pittsburgh Pirates         93  52 .641 -
Philadelphia Phillies      92  53 .634 1.0
St. Louis Cardinals        71  73 .493 21.5
Boston Beaneaters          70  74 .486 22.5
Brooklyn Superbas          69  75 .479 23.5
Cincinnati Reds            62  82 .431 30.5
New York Giants            61  83 .424 31.5
Chicago Orphans            59  85 .410 33.5

Pittsburgh was in first place for most of the first half of the season. But by mid-August the Phillies had taken a 5-game lead. Then, after winning 9 of their final 10 games that month, the Pirates moved to within a game of the Phillies. With four games left in the season, the Pirates managed to tie Philadelphia. Both teams went 2-1 in their final three games and wound up tied.

The pennant-deciding game was a thriller. Both teams tossed out their top pitchers. Bill Vinton (24-14, 3.19) went for the Phillies and rookie sensation Rube Waddell (23-12, 2.50) went for the Pirates. Both pitchers allowed just 2 runs and the game went into extra innings.

Waddell pitched a perfect 10th and reliever Jack McFetridge pitched the 10th for Philly. After 2 outs, the Pirates got runners on the corners, but McFetridge struck out Honus Wagner to end the inning.

In the 11th, Ed Delahanty hit a 2 out triple off reliever Brownie Foreman and scored on a single by Mike Grady to give Philly a 3-2 lead. Then the Pirates strung together a single, a walk and another single to tied the game. With two on and one out, McFetridge struck out Harry Davis and got pinch hitter Charlie Reilly to ground out.

In the 12th, Sam Leever came in and sat the Phillies down 1-2-3. Then McFetridge allowed a leadoff triple to Fred Clarke. After an out and an intentional walk to Wagner, Jimmy Williams stepped to the plate. Before he could take a swing, Wagner took off for 2nd and catcher Jack Clements overthrew 2B Nap Lajoie, allowing Clarke to score the winning run, giving Pittsburgh their first pennant since 1897.

Pittsburgh Pirates

This entire team was outstanding. LF Fred Clarke hit .337 and highlighted a Top Batter season with an impressive 38-game hitting streak. SS Frank Shugart led the team with a .367 average. SS Honus Wagner hit .314 with 92 RBI, and 2B Jimmy Williams hit .294 with 103 RBI. CF Ginger Beaumont hit .318. On the pitching side, Phil Knell went 29-9 with a 2.27 ERA and won the Top Pitcher award at age 35. The veteran was complimented by Top Rookie Rube Waddell who went 23-12, 2.50.

Philadelphia Phillies

Losing the pennant was hard enough, but to lose it on a bad throw in the bottom of the 12th of the final game of the season was brutal. The Phillies finished 2nd to Pittsburgh in most pitching categories and team average, although they did score more runs. LF Billy Hamilton hit .321 with 58 steals. CF Ed Delahanty hit .319 with 77 RBI, and 1B Mike Grady hit .318 with 80 RBI. RF Elmer Flick led the team with 94 RBI while hitting .284. Catcher Jack Clements hit .285 with 82 RBI. The 36-year-old has over 1000 career hits and a .290 average but he may forever be remembered for the bad throw that lost the pennant. Bill Bernhard (15-7) led the team with a 2.81 ERA. Outside of him, the Phillies had three 20-game winners: Bill Vinton (24-14, 3.19), Tully Sparks (23-11, 3.12) and Ned Garvin (20-13, 3.72). The 35-year-old Vinton became the 3rd pitcher to pass 300 wins. He also passed Lady Baldwin for 2nd all-time.

St. Louis Cardinals

Formerly the Cleveland Spiders, the addition of several players from the disbanded Baltimore and Louisville clubs helped push this team back above .500. 2B Bill Keister was the only starter to hit over .300. He hit .312 with 10 HR and 80 RBI. Catcher Jack Doyle led the league with 11 HR's and he also drove in 75 RBI with a .280 average. 3B Bobby Wallace hit .294 and led the team with 83 RBI. Jack Powell was the team's top pitcher, going 20-15 with a 3.40 ERA. Joe Corbett was right behind him with a 19-19 record and a 3.34 ERA. George Davies went 15-11 with a 3.77 ERA. Cy Young (12-16, 4.34) struggled once again, but after being pulled from the rotation in July, he returned in late August and went 3-2 with a 2.12 ERA that month.

Boston Beaneaters

Billy Herman led the team with a .336 average and 80 RBI. Herman Long hit .331 with 76 RBI and 100 runs. Despite few other standout performances, the team finished with the 3rd best offense. In his first season as a starter, Big Bill Dinneen went 19-9 with a 3.08 ERA. Kid Nichols anchored the rotation and went 19-18, 3.46. Bill Daley had a respectable 3.66 ERA but went just 14-20 after winning 20 games last season. After going 17-19 with a 3.22 ERA last season, Vic Willis struggled with a 4.93 ERA in 1900 and had a 8-17 record.

Brooklyn Superbas

Catcher "Broadway Aleck" Smith led the team with a .310 average. LF Jimmy Sheckard hit .297 and led the Superbas with 77 RBI. Michael Griffin (.283, 45 RBI, 99 R) and Hughie Jennings (.286, 62 RBI, 85 R) combined for 107 stolen bases. In his first season with the team, Doc McJames went 17-18 but led Brooklyn with a 2.73 ERA. George Keefe went 22-15, 3.42.

Cincinnati Reds

RF Dusty Miller had the team's top average (.311) and stole 44 bases. Catcher Jocko Halligan's 65 RBI were a team high. Pitching was a bright spot at times. Amos Rusie (15-11, 2.53 ERA) continues to keep his place in the rotation even though locals never expect him to last through a whole season as a starter. Noodles Hahn went 19-15, 3.05. Elton Chamberlain (13-22, 3.98), who has consistently frustrated the team, lost 20 games for the 7th straight season.

New York Giants

RF Willie Keeler (.350, 63 RBI) and 1B Tom McCreery (.316, 64 RBI) continue to shoulder the load in New York. Four of the team's remaining six starters hit between .256 and .213. Ed Doheny (14-18, 3.66), Jouett Meekin (17-22, 3.53) and Bill George (12-11, 3.54) had decent seasons but not good enough to get this team near .500.

Chicago Orphans

It took 25 years, but Chicago finally suffered their first losing season. Not only did they lose, but they lost often. They finished dead last with a 59-85 (.410) record. LF Jimmy Ryan's .296 average was a team high. At age 37, "Pony" has 2602 hits and a .325 career average. Double play combo Peter O'Brien (.271, 10 HR, 77 RBI) and Bill Dahlen (.262, 9 HR, 75 RBI) had low averages but provided the team's power. Clark Griffith's 3.30 ERA was a team best. His 13-13 record put him one win behind team leader Arlie Pond (14-20, 4.29). Pond was a huge disappointment after going 17-14, 2.92 last season with Baltimore. Late in the season, Pop Williams (6-11, 3.58) assumed a bigger role and should be in next year's rotation.

Batting AVG
.367 Frank Shugart, PIT
.350 Willie Keeler, NYG
.337 Fred Clarke, PIT
.336 Billy Nash, BSN
.331 Herman Long, BSN

HOMERUNS
11 Jack Doyle, STL
10 Peter O'Brien, CHC
10 Bill Keister, STL
9 Jocko Halligan, CIN
9 Fred Clarke, PIT
9 Bill Dahlen, CHC

RBI
103 Jimmy Williams, PIT
94 Elmer Flick, PHI
92 Honus Wagner, PIT
83 Bobby Wallace, STL
82 Jack Clements, PHI
81 Nap Lajoie, PHI

OPS
.892 Mike Grady, PHI
.876 Ed Delahanty, PHI
.864 Frank Shugart, PIT
.860 Fred Clarke, PIT
.839 Honus Wagner, PIT
.832 Bill Keister, STL
.814 Willie Keeler, NYG
.802 Herman Long, BSN
.796 Elmer Flick, PHI

STEALS
61 Bill Lange, CHC (61-18, 77.22%)
58 Billy Hamilton, PHI (58-29, 67.44%)
57 Vince Dailey, STL (57-13, 81.43%)
57 John McGraw, STL (57-28, 66.67%)
54 Frank Chance, CHC (54-18, 75.00%)
54 Michael Griffin, BRO (54-16, 77.14%)
53 Hughie Jennings, BRO (53-23, 69.74%)

ERA
2.27 Phil Knell, PIT (29-9)
2.50 Rube Waddell, PIT (23-12)
2.53 Amos Rusie, CIN (15-11)
2.73 Doc McJames, BRO (17-18)
2.81 Bill Bernhard, PHI (15-7)
3.05 Noodles Hahn, CIN (19-15)
3.08 Bill Dinneen, BSN (19-9)

WINS
29 Phil Knell, PIT
24 Bill Vinton, PHI (24-14, 3.19)
23 Tully Sparks, PHI (23-11, 3.12)
23 Rube Waddell, PIT
22 George Keefe, BRO (22-15, 3.42)
20 Ned Garvin, PHI (20-13, 3.72)
20 Jack Powell, STL (20-15, 3.40)

STRIKEOUTS
261 Rube Waddell, PIT
234 Bill Daley, BSN (14-20, 3.66)
229 Joe Corbett, STL (19-19, 3.34)
193 Noodles Hahn, CIN
190 Doc McJames, BRO
190 Jack Powell, STL

POY: Phil Knell, PIT, 29-9, 2.27 ERA, 82 BB, 149 K, .263 OAVG, 1.24 WHIP
BOY: LF Fred Clarke, PIT, .337, 9 HR, 68 RBI, 48 SB, .860 OPS
ROY: Rube Waddell, PIT, 23-12, 2.50 ERA, 74 BB, 261 K, .197 OAVG, 0.91 WHIP

tward13 · 11-10-2005, 08:41 AM

Pittsburgh's going to be just plain nasty for a long time. Loads of hitting and now they get Waddell on the mound too! Plus, since this is a game, Rube won't be displaying his various idiosyncracies that got him bounced from a couple of teams.

TwinsFan86 · 11-10-2005, 11:26 AM

The Pirates are scary. That's all I got to say.

Sir Lurksalot · 11-10-2005, 11:51 AM

This just keeps getting better and better! Now that there are some of the more "name" players it's getting very interesting. I am surprised that Young is so meh. I like seeing some of the players who "could have been" playing so well. Lange, Beaumont etc. Awesome dynasty!!

Matt from TN · 11-11-2005, 11:06 AM

Now if I can just get enough space to upload catobase. I assume you guys would enjoy looking thru that?

Matt from TN · 11-14-2005, 11:42 PM

Key Incoming Rookies for 1901:

NATIONAL LEAGUE

Boston

RF Cozy Dolan
--- Age 28, 6/5/7/5/6 talent

Brooklyn

P "Wild Bill" Donovan
--- Age 24, 10/5/5 talent

Chicago

P Tom Hughes, "Long Tom"
--- Age 22, 10/6/3 talent

C Johnny Kling, "Noisy"
--- Age 26, 7/10/7/3/6 talent

3B Sammy Strang, "Dixie Thrush"
--- Age 24, 6/7/6/10/6 talent

Cincinnati

P Charlie Case
--- Age 21, 7/6/4 talent

LF Topsy Hartsel
--- Age 26, 7/8/8/10/6 talent

CF John Dobbs
--- Age 25, 6/7/5/5/6 talent

CF Harry Bay, "Deer Foot"
--- Age 23, 7/5/6/5/6 talent

New York

P Christy Mathewson, "Big Six"
--- Age 20, 10/8/3 talent

P Dummy Taylor
--- Age 26, 9/6/3 talent

Philadelphia

P Happy Townsend
--- Age 21, 10/5/3 talent

P Doc White
--- Age 21, 10/7/3 talent

Pittsburgh

1B Kitty Bransfield
--- Age 26, 8/9/6/3/6 talent

St. Louis

P Jack Harper
--- Age 22, 9/5/3 talent

SS Otto Krueger, "Oom Paul"
--- Age 24, 5/6/6/7/6 talent

AMERICAN LEAGUE

-Since no AL team imported with a full roster (some with as few as 4 players), I will release several players from the NL teams to fill out the AL rosters. I am mostly releasing minor leaguers and major league backups. I will also release some quality players who have been kept from starting by better players.

Baltimore

P Stan Yerkes
--- Age 26, 5/6/8 talent

C Roger Bresnahan
--- Age 21, 8/10/7/10/6 talent

CF Cy Seymour
--- Age 28, 9/9/9/5/6 talent

Boston

P Win Kellum
--- Age 24, 8/7/3 talent

P George Winter, "Sassafrass"
--- Age 22, 7/6/3 talent

C Ossee Schreckengost
--- Age 25, 8/9/5/2/6 talent

2B Hobe Ferris
--- Age 23, 7/9/6/2/6 talent

SS Freddy Parent
--- Age 25, 7/8/7/3/6 talent

CF Charlie Hemphill
--- Age 24, 8/6/7/7/6 talent

Chicago

P Roy Patterson
--- Age 24, 8/7/3 talent

Cleveland

P Earl Moore, "Crossfire"
--- Age 21, 10/4/3 talent

SS Danny Shay
--- Age 24, 5/6/5/9/6 talent

Detroit

P Jack Cronin
--- Age 26, 8/6/3 talent

P Frank Owen, "Yip"
--- Age 21, 8/8/4 talent

P Ed Siever
--- Age 23, 9/8/3 talent

1B Davey Crockett
--- Age 25, 6/5/4/4/6 talent

3B Doc Casey
--- Age 30, 6/6/5/3/6 talent

SS Kid Elberfeld, "Tabasco Kid"
--- Age 25, 7/8/6/7/6 talent

Milwaukee

2B Bill Friel
--- Age 24, 5/6/6/4/6 talent

3B Wid Conroy
--- Age 23, 5/7/6/5/6 talent

SS Billy Gilbert
--- Age 24, 6/5/4/8/6 talent

CF Billy Maloney
--- Age 22, 6/7/6/5/6 talent

RF Bill Hallman
--- Age 24, 5/7/4/8/6 talent

RF Irv Waldron
--- Age 25, 7/6/4/5/6 talent

Philadelphia

P Eddie Plank, "Gettysburg Eddie"
--- Age 25, 10/7/5 talent

C Harry Smith
--- Age 26, 5/5/9/6/7 ratings

LF Matty McIntyre
--- Age 20, 8/8/5/9/6 talent

CF Dave Fultz
--- Age 25, 7/7/5/10/6 talent

RF Socks Seybold
--- Age 30, 8/10/10/6/6 talent

Washington

P Case Patten
--- Age 24, 10/6/3 talent

2B John Farrell
--- Age 24, 6/9/5/7/6 talent

3B Bill Coughlin, "Scranton Bill"
--- Age 22, 6/7/6/4/6 talent

RF Watty Lee
--- Age 21, 5/8/6/6/6 talent

tward13 · 11-15-2005, 12:07 AM

Wow. Some great names like Mathewson, Plank and Bresnahan. Plus LOTS of really good, but lesser known players: Kling and Schreckengost, White, Bransfeld, Seymour, Seybold, Elberfeld. Nice deep class.

Matt from TN · 11-15-2005, 02:38 PM

1901 National League

Note: The lower level of talent in the AL skewed the league totals a bit, so the batting avg and ERA in the AL are a bit too low and in the NL they are a bit too high. That should level out in time.

Code:

Team                        W   L   %  GB
Philadelphia Phillies      84  56 .600 -
St. Louis Cardinals        81  59 .579 3
Pittsburgh Pirates         76  64 .543 8
New York Giants            70  70 .500 14
Boston Beaneaters          68  72 .486 16
Cincinnati Reds            64  76 .457 20
Chicago Orphans            60  80 .429 24
Brooklyn Superbas          57  83 .407 27

League AVG: .278
League ERA: 4.00

Philadelphia Phillies

Despite a 4-game losing streak from September 23-26 and a 2-5 record in their final 7 games, the Phillies still managed to clinch the pennant. On Sept 26, the Cardinals lost 10-6 to the Giants, eliminating them from the race.

2B Nap Lajoie and CF Ed Delahanty led one of the best offenses in the league. Lajoie hit .337 with 15 HR and 102 RBI while Delahanty hit .360 with 11 HR and 113 RBI. LF Billy Hamilton hit .303 and stole 57 bases. RF Elmer Flick hit .304 with 88 RBI. 1B Mike Grady hit .287 with 8 HR and 85 RBI. 37-year-old catcher Jack Clements hit 9 HR with 87 RBI despite a .240 average. SS Cupid Childs hit .296.

Rookie Doc White went 24-10 with a 3.42 ERA, earning Top Pitcher honors. 36-year-old Bill Vinton went 20-12, 3.57 and advanced his career record to 338-236. That pushed him past Laurie Reis for most wins all-time. Bill Bernhard went 19-6, 3.64.

St. Louis Cardinals

Once the most dominant franchise in the AL, winning 6 pennants in 8 seasons while calling Detroit and Cleveland home, the Cardinals came closest to winning a pennant since a 3rd place finish in 1894. In his first season as a starter, LF Mike Donlin hit .335 with 9 HR and 88 RBI. 3B Bobby Wallace hit .286 with 87 RBI. 1B Duff Cooley rebounded to hit .300 with 61 RBI after hitting .270 in 141 AB last year. 2B Bill Keister hit .293 with 79 RBI. SS John McGraw hit .302, and CF Emmet Heidrick hit .320 in 341 AB. Joe Corbett went 21-11 with a 3.71 ERA. Jack Powell went 20-11 with a 4.14 ERA. Cy Young had his best season in years, going 16-11, 3.54. Charlie Hastings went 16-11, 3.80.

Pittsburgh Pirates

The Pirates had the best offense in the league, but it was not enough to defend their NL title. SS Honus Wagner hit .320 with 12 HR and 97 RBI. LF Fred Clarke hit .349, and 2B Jimmy Williams hit .279 with 10 HR and 122 RBI (a new NL record). 3B Frank Shugart won the batting title with a .366 average, and CF Ginger Beaumont hit .341. In his first season as a starter, Jack Chesbro went 20-14, 3.47. Rube Waddell went 21-13, but his ERA slipped to 4.43. Brownie Foreman returned to the rotation and went 18-14 with a 4.13 ERA.

New York Giants

The Giants nearly had their 3rd winning season in the past decade, but they lost 2 of their last 3 games all to Boston. CF Mike Tiernan hit .311 with 9 HR and 90 RBI. 1B Tom McCreery hit .340 with 60 RBI, and RF Willie Keeler hit .314 with 67 RBI. LF Jesse Burkett has seen his AB total slip from 506 in 1899 to 409 in 1900 and now to 383 this season. However, he improved from last season, raising his OPS from .689 to .799. Their pitching staff led the league but only one of their regular starters had a winning record. Ed Doheny went 17-16, 3.48. Pink Hawley went 18-19, 3.64, and rookie Christy Mathewson went 14-17 with a 3.28 ERA that was 2nd in the league.

Boston Beaneaters

3B Billy Nash led the team with a .341 average and 86 RBI. 1B Fred Tenney hit .332, and RF Chich Stahl hit .320. The team's strength was pitching though. Bill Daley (16-20, 3.29 ERA) was their best pitcher despite 20 losses. The rest of their starters had good ERA's too (Bill Dinneen 18-18, 3.65; Jack Stivetts 17-17, 3.86; Kid Nichols 10-8, 3.86).

Cincinnati Reds

RF Dusty Miller (.332, 77 RBI), catcher Jocko Halligan (.317) and rookie outfielders Topsy Hartsel (.303, 64 RBI) and Sam Crawford (.287, 77 RBI) were about the only offensive positives. The pitching staff struggles, and no starters had ERA's below the league average. Noodles Hahn (17-18, 4.02) and Amos Rusie (12-16, 4.17) were the top starters. Elton Chamberlain (15-19, 4.49) and Jesse Tannehill (11-15, 4.93) continued to disappoint fans.

Chicago Orphans

Chicago's offense was one of the best in the league. No one player had a standout year, but together they scored plenty of runs. 2B Pete O'Brien hit .301 and led the team with 91 RBI. SS Bill Dahlen hit .307 with 77 RBI. CF Bill Lange hit .302. 1B Bill Everitt (.312, 391 AB) and RF Danny Green (.328, 7 HR, 345 AB) hit well with little playing time. Rookie Long Tom Hughes had a superb season, going 20-14 with a league-leading 3.21 ERA. The rest of the staff had terrible seasons.

Brooklyn Superbas

SS Hughie Jennings hit .308 with 73 RBI. CF Fielder Jones hit .307. LF Jimmy Sheckard hit .291 with 71 RBI. 1B John Anderson hit .277 and drove in 75 RBI in just 397 AB. George Keefe (14-19, 3.96 ERA) and rookie Wild Bill Donovan (14-21, 3.60) kept this team from a much worse fate. After going 17-18, 2.73 in his first season with Brooklyn last year, Doc McJames struggled to go 13-20, 4.62.

Batting AVG
.366 Frank Shugart, PIT
.360 Ed Delahanty, PHI
.349 Fred Clarke, PIT
.341 Ginger Beaumont, PIT
.341 Billy Nash, BSN

HOMERUNS
15 Nap Lajoie, PHI
12 Honus Wagner, PIT
11 Ed Delahanty, PHI
10 Jimmy Williams, PIT

RBI
122 Jimmy Williams, PIT
113 Ed Delahanty, PHI
102 Nap Lajoie, PHI
97 Honus Wagner, PIT
91 Pete O'Brien, CHC

OPS
1.053 Ed Delahanty, PHI
.946 Honus Wagner, PIT
.944 Dusty Miller, CIN
.938 Mike Donlin, STL
.920 Nap Lajoie, PHI

STEALS
83 Bill Lange, CHC (83-32, 72.17%)
57 Michael Griffin, BRO (57-11, 83.82%)
57 Billy Hamilton, PHI (57-19, 75.00%)
55 Willie Keeler, NYG (55-13, 80.88%)
54 Frank Chance, CHC (54-25, 68.35%)
53 John McGraw, STL (53-22, 70.76%)
53 Fred Clarke, PIT (53-8, 86.89%)
52 Honus Wagner, PIT (52-9, 85.25%)
52 Mike Tiernan, NYG (52-19, 73.24%)

ERA
3.21 Tom Hughes, CHC (20-14)
3.28 Christy Mathewson, NYG (14-17)
3.29 Bill Daley, BSN (16-20)
3.42 Doc White, PHI (24-10)
3.47 Jack Chesbro, PIT (20-14)

WINS
24 Doc White, PHI
21 Joe Corbett, STL (21-11, 3.71)
21 Rube Waddell, PIT (21-13, 4.43)
20 Bill Vinton, PHI (20-12, 3.57)
20 Jack Chesbro, PIT
20 Tom Hughes, CHC
20 Jack Powell, STL (20-11, 4.14)

STRIKEOUTS
283 Rube Waddell, PIT
279 Bill Daley, BSN (16-20, 3.29)
270 Joe Corbett, STL
248 Tom Hughes, CHC
243 Doc White, PHI
242 Christy Mathewson, NYG

POY: Doc White, PHI, 24-10, 3.42 ERA, 59 BB, 243 K, .257 OAVG, 1.17 WHIP
BOY: CF Ed Delahanty, PHI, .360, 11 HR, 113 RBI, 33 SB, 1.053 OPS
ROY: Doc White, PHI, 24-10, 3.42 ERA, 59 BB, 243 K, .257 OAVG, 1.17 WHIP

Matt from TN · 11-15-2005, 04:15 PM

1901 American League

Code:

Team                        W   L   %  GB
Detroit Tigers             77  63 .550 -
Chicago White Sox          76  64 .543 1
Philadelphia Athletics     72  68 .514 5
Cleveland Blues            71  69 .507 6
Milwaukee Brewers          71  69 .507 6
Baltimore Orioles          68  72 .486 9
Boston Americans           65  75 .464 12
Washington Senators        60  80 .429 17

League AVG: .255
League ERA: 3.33

Detroit Tigers

In the AL's first season, Detroit came out on top. On October 5th, the Tigers had a 1.5-game lead on Chicago. The White Sox's only hope was to win their final two games and hope Detroit would lose their last game. However, the A's beat Chicago 6-3 on this day while Detroit beat Baltimore 7-5.

On the field, the Tigers were a tale of two sides. First, their offense led the league. After 13 seasons with the Beaneaters and becoming a backup last year, LF Tommy McCarthy jumped to the Tigers and hit .302 with 94 runs scored. SS Kid Elberfeld hit .297 with 93 RBI. CF Roy Thomas hit .358, leading the league and making the Phillies sad they ever lost him. However, Detroit's pitching finished last in the league and was the main reason the team could never pull away. Alex Jones won Top Pitcher honors by going 25-13 with a 3.13 ERA. Rookie Frank Owen went 22-15, 3.32 and was named Top Rookie.

Chicago White Sox

Chicago came up just short in their first season, but their pitching gives them hope for next year. They led the AL with a 3.12 team ERA. Sam Leever went 25-13 with s 3.07 ERA. Roy Patterson went 19-16 with a 3.18 ERA. Despite only throwing 172.1 innings, rookie Wee Willie Sudhoff (7-11) finished 2nd in the league with a 2.61 ERA. On offense, RF Tommy Dowd led the team with a .309 average, and 1B Harry Davis' 69 RBI were a team high. Dowd also stole 50 bases, but LF George Flynn led the team with 69 swipes.

Philadelphia Athletics

The A's offense scored the 2nd most runs per game in the league. Rookie RF Socks Seybold hit .302 with 11 HR and 78 RBI and was named Top Batter in his first season. 3B Charlie Reilly hit .324 with 78 RBI, while rookie LF Matty McIntyre led the team with a .337 average. Rookie 2B Pete Childs hit 9 HR with just a .205 average. The team's pitching was around the middle of the league. Frank Kitson starred with a 22-15 record and a 2.90 ERA. Rookie Eddie Plank went 19-16, 3.70.

Cleveland Blues

Cleveland was mediocre at bat and on the mound. 1B Klondike Douglass led the team with a .303 average. 2B Sam Mertes hit .296 with 8 HR and 93 RBI. After winning 24 games as a rookie with Pittsburgh in 1898, Tom Colcolough went 7-14, 5.97 the next season and couldn't make the Pittsburgh roster in 1900. This year, he was on top again, going 20-16 with a 2.80 ERA in Cleveland.

Milwaukee Brewers

LF Tom O'Brien (.336, 78 RBI) and rookie RF Irv Waldron (.326, 59 RBI) were a powerful duo. 1B Candy LaChance hit .303 with 73 RBI. 32-year-old Hal Mauck (21-18, 2.86) made the most of his first chance to start regularly. Silver King (20-19, 3.15) had a good season as well. 38-year-old Charlie Sweeney also took advantage of another shot at starting. After starting 39 games for Brooklyn in 1899, he started just 8 last season. This year, the Brewers limited the veteran's arm to 24 starts but he was able to go 12-10 with a 3.63 ERA. He won his first three starts of the season, and that 3rd win on May 23rd against the Senators gave him 300 for his career.

Baltimore Orioles

28-year-old rookie CF Cy Seymour led a respectable offense with a .334 average. RF Jimmy Bannon (.280) and SS Tommy Corcoran (.289) led the team with 67 RBI. The pitching staff allowed the 2nd most runs per game in the league even though Wiley Piatt (22-12) led the league with a 2.60 ERA. Ed Stein (18-17, 2.90) had a great season too.

Boston Americans

Rookie pitcher George Prentiss helped lead one of the best rotations in the league. He went 17-14, 2.93. Buttons Briggs posted a 3.07 ERA but went just 16-23. Jake Volz (15-18, 3.46) had a respectable season. Rookie SS Freddie Parent led the team with a .312 average. RF Shad Barry's 61 RBI was a team high, but he hit just .224. Rookies Ossee Schreckengost (.236, 9 HR) and Ace Stewart (.225, 7 HR) provided power with low average.

Washington Senators

The Senators finished last despite the top pitching staff in the league. Davey Dunkle (17-14, 2.64) and Tom Smith (17-18, 2.85) led the way. The offense, however, was dead last in the AL. Two regulars hit below .200, and no one hit above LF Jimmy Slagle's .283. Slagle also led the team with 52 steals.

Batting AVG
.358 Roy Thomas, DET
.337 Matty McIntyre, PHA
.336 Tom O'Brien, MLA
.334 Cy Seymour, BLA
.326 Irv Waldron, MLA

HOMERUNS
11 Socks Seybold, PHA
9 Pete Childs, PHA
9 Ossee Schreckengost, BOS
8 Sam Mertes, CLE

RBI
93 Sam Mertes, CLE
93 Kid Elberfeld, DET
78 Charlie Reilly, PHA
78 Tom O'Brien, MLA
78 Socks Seybold, PHA
73 Candy LaChance, MLA

OPS
.904 Roy Thomas, DET
.857 Socks Seybold, PHA
.857 Sam Mertes, CLE
.848 Tom O'Brien, MLA
.838 Matty McIntyre, PHA

STEALS
69 George Flynn, CHW (69-33, 67.65%)
67 Dave Fultz, PHA (67-26, 72.04%)
59 Tommy McCarthy, DET (59-14, 80.82%)
52 Jimmy Slagel, WSH (52-17, 75.36%)

ERA
2.60 Wiley Piatt, BLA (22-12)
2.61 Willie Sudhoff, CHW (7-11)
2.64 Davey Dunkle, WSH (17-14)
2.80 Tom Colcolough, CLE (20-16)
2.85 Tom Smith, WSH (17-18)
2.84 Hal Mauck, MLA (21-18)

WINS
25 Alex Jones, DET (25-13, 3.13)
25 Sam Leever, CHW (25-13, 3.07)
22 Frank Owen, DET (22-15, 3.32)
22 Wiley Piatt, BLA
22 Frank Kitson, PHA (22-15, 2.90)
21 Hal Mauck, MLA

STRIKEOUTS
239 Frank Owen, DET
236 George Prentiss, BOS (17-14, 2.93)
230 Davey Dunkle, WSH
208 Jake Volz, BOS (15-18, 3.46)
204 Sam Leever, CHW

POY: Alex Jones, DET, 25-13, 3.13 ERA, 74 BB, 200 K, .235 OAVG, 1.12 WHIP
BOY: RF Socks Seybold, PHA, .302, 11 HR, 78 RBI, .857 OPS
ROY: Frank Owen, DET, 22-15, 3.32 ERA, 98 BB, 239 K, .227 OAVG, 1.16 WHIP

Matt from TN · 11-15-2005, 04:33 PM

1901 World Series

Few people believed any AL team could hold its own against a team from the NL. So almost no one gave Detroit any chance against the Phillies in this first league championship. However, the Tigers took a 3-1 lead on Doc White and the Phillies in the 3rd inning. The lead was short lived though as the Phillies scored 4 runs off Alex Jones in the 4th. Jones only lasted 2 more innings, allowing 7 runs off 10 hits and 4 walks in 6 innings as Detroit lost to Philly 12-5.

In Game 2, Bill Vinton gave up just 2 runs off 9 hits while the Philly offense tagged Roscoe Miller and the Tigers for 10 runs. In Detroit, the Phillies won 8-3 and neared a sweep.

The Tigers led Game 4 4-1 after 5 innings. The Phillies then scored a run in the 6th and 2 more in the 8th to tie the game. But in the bottom of the 8th, catcher Al Shaw hit an RBI single to put Detroit back on top 5-4. 3B Doc Casey missed a squeeze bunt and Tommy McCarthy was tagged out at home. Then the Tigers next two batters struck out. But that last run was enough as Detroit managed their first win.

Game 5 was ugly for Tigers fans though, as the Phillies scored in each of the first 7 innings ans won 10-5. All in all, the Phillies outscored the Tigers 44-20.

Winner, 4-1: Philadelphia Phillies, 1st Championship

tward13 · 11-15-2005, 04:48 PM

Matt, are you starting to get guys finishing more or less complete careers? Will you be noting key retirees each season with some career totals?

Matt from TN · 11-15-2005, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tward13

Matt, are you starting to get guys finishing more or less complete careers? Will you be noting key retirees each season with some career totals?

Yes, I've been getting them for a while now. I haven't decided what to do with them. Is it something you would like to see?

Anything else you or anyone would like? For example, starting rotations & lineups at the beginning of the season so you know who the top players are for each team?

Anyone have an opinion on the logos?

11-03-2005, 11:14 AM	#42
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11-04-2005, 03:30 PM	#44
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	1899 Code: Team W L % GB Philadelphia Phillies 92 58 .613 - Pittsburgh Pirates 87 63 .580 5 Chicago Orphans 78 72 .520 14 Cleveland Spiders 77 73 .513 15 Baltimore Orioles 75 75 .500 17 Boston Beaneaters 72 78 .480 20 Louisville Colonels 72 78 .480 20 Cincinnati Reds 71 79 .473 21 Brooklyn Superbas 68 82 .453 24 New York Giants 58 92 .387 34 Philadelphia Phillies The Pirates led the way for most of the season but the Phillies hung tough the whole way and pulled out the pennant. With 6 days left in the season, Philly and Pittsburgh were tied for the league lead. On Sept 7, Pittsburgh lost 7-5 to Brooklyn while the Phillies beat Boston 11-8. The Phillies finished the season on a 9-game winning streak (including two wins over Pittsburgh) while the Pirates dropped their final 5 games. This was just the Phillies 2nd pennant, and their first since 1887. Big Ed Delahanty was named the league's Top Batter. He hit .347 with 95 RBI, both team highs. Nap Lajoie hit just .298 but drilled 11 HRs with 90 RBI. Sliding Billy Hamilton hit .328 and stole 49 bases. 1B Mike Grady hit .288 with 93 RBI. The rest of the lineup had no slackers: Cupid Childs (.309, 74 RBI), Lave Cross (.288, 61 RBI), Elmer Flick (.280, 87 RBI), Jack Clements (.317, 66 RBI). The pitching staff was one of the league's best. Rookie Ned Garvin went 25-12 with a 2.89 ERA. He nearly won Top Rookie honors and he was even in the Top Pitcher running. Bill Vinton went 23-12, 3.25 and rookie Bill Bernhard went 15-12, 3.32. Pittsburgh Pirates The Pirates were stunned by their pennant collapse after leading the league or being among the top teams all season long. They point to their pitching staff as the cause of most of their woes. Brownie Foreman went 12-4 with a 2.97 ERA, but he started just 16 games. Among the regular starters, Bill Phillips 3.59 ERA was the best, and he managed a 22-17 record. Rookie Sam Leever went 23-15 with a 3.67 ERA, and Red Ehret went 17-11, 3.72. After winning 24 games last season, Tom Colcolough went 7-14, 5.97 and was pulled out of the rotation by the beginning of July. The offense had no concerns as every regular starter hit over .300. The team hit .301. SS Fred Shugart led the team with a .359 average. Rookie 2B Jimmy Williams hit .322 and led the league with both his 15 HRs and 107 RBI. CF Jake Stenzel hit .304 with 91 RBI. 1B Jake Beckley hit .307 with 84 RBI. Rookie Ginger Beaumont was among the league leaders all season and hit .352. Elmer Smith hit .323. Chicago Orphans After a .500 season in 1898, the newly named Orphans returned to their winning ways, although they were unhappy with just a 78-72 record. 1B Bill Everitt led the team with a .336 average, but LF Jimmy Ryan and his 81 RBI were right behind with a .330 average. Rookie Frank Chance hit .307 with 87 RBI. SS Bill Dahlen hit .310 with 77 RBI, and RF Sam Dungan hit .315 wth 88 RBI. 2B Pete O'Brien hit just .293 but led the team with his 8 HRs and 104 RBI. Pitching was once again this team's downfall. Jocko Flynn (22-16, 3.76) and Clark Griffith (16-10, 3.36) were dependable, but the rest of the staff provided little. Cleveland Spiders In contrast to the three teams ahead of them, the resurgant Spiders did not have a dominant offense. 1B Jake Virtue (.350, 10 HR, 100 RBI) was their best hitter, and catcher Dirty Jack Doyle (.305, 15 HR, 77 RBI) provided some extra power. RF Vince Dailey hit .326, but overall the team struggled to score runs consistently. Their pitching improved from recent seasons, but it was not enough to get them more than 4 games above .500. In his 3rd season, Jack Powell (22-13, 3.16) is becoming the ace of the staff. Some thought Lady Baldwin was washed up at age 40, but he went 15-13 with a 3.78 ERA. That gave him 304 career wins despite not debuting in the majors until age 26. Cy Young continues to baffle team management. He went 17-18 with a 4.42 ERA. Baltimore Orioles The Orioles nearly had their first winning season, but a win in their final game gave them a 75-75 record.RF Jack McGeachy was a pleasant surprise, hitting .338 with 94 RBI. 26-year-old John McGraw (.299, 54 RBI) saw his production dip slightly in his first year as a full-time shortstop. Playing regularly at 3B, Bert Myers hit .305 with 62 RBI. And rookie 2B Bill Keister hit .317 with 74 RBI. The secret to the team's season was pitching. In his 3rd season, Joe Corbett went 24-10 with a 2.69 ERA and was named Top Pitcher. He is only 23 but he looks like the cornerstone of this team for years to come. Arlie Pond had a very good season going 17-14, 2.92. Rookie Joe McGinnity (15-12, 3.99) had a respectable start to his career, but Pink Hawley (12-20, 4.43) was a big disappointment. Boston Beaneaters Boston did not have a truly dominant pitcher, but all four of their starters had ERA's of 3.62 or better. Kid Nichols (18-16, 3.07), Bill Daley (20-18, 3.62), Vic Willis (17-19, 3.22) and Bill Stemmeyer (10-12, 3.46) kept this team afloat. The offense complimented the pitching and many are unsure why this team did not win more games. 3B Billy Nash hit .324. RF Chick Stahl hit .336. 1B Fred Tenney hit .332. CF Joe Kelley hit .308 with 10 HR and 69 RBI. 2B Jimmy Collins hit just .266 but drove in 84 RBI. Louisville Colonels This team's offense is not great, but they do have some star players. Honus Wagner was stunning in his first full season. He ht .350 with 11 HR and 93 RBI. Forced to move to an unfamiliar second base, Hughie Jennings still hit .329. RF Tom McCreery hit .346 with 84 RBI.LF Fred Clarke hit .294 with 78 RBI. Phil Knell (20-17, 2.89) had a great season on the mound, but the rest of the staff posted ERA's between 4.12 and 4.60. Cincinnati Reds This season was highlighted by the debut of Noodles Hahn. The 20-year-old Tennessean went 23-16 with a 2.62 league-leading ERA and was named Top Rookie. Amos Rusie (15-17, 3.64) had a solid season, but Elton Chamberlain (17-20, 4.16) and Jesse Tannehill (10-17, 4.90) were big disappointments. LF Willie Murphy led the team with a .325 average. 1B Otto Schomberg hit .300 and led the Reds with 84 RBI. Catcher Jocko Halligan hit .311 with 73 RBI, and RF Dusty Miller hit .322. Brooklyn Superbas After winning the 1898 pennant, Brooklyn and their new name, the Superbas, fell flat. Last season's Top Batter Michael Griffin saw his production plummet from .366, 96 RBI, .934 OPS to .294, 72 RBI, .799 OPS this season. Fielder Jones hit .339 and LF Jimmy Sheckard hit .333 and led the team with 79 RBI in his first season as a regular starter. 1B John Anderson hit .299 with 77 RBI. Rookie Harry Howell went 20-14 with a 2.93 ERA and could be a star in the making. The rest of the rotation is looking old however. New York Giants 3B John Rainey, at age 35, led the batting race for most of the season. He was hitting over .400 until the last day of July. He wound up with a .380 average which was still good enough for a batting title. CF Mike Tiernan hit .314 with 12 HRs and 88 RBI. RF Willie Keeler hit .349 with 102 RBI. And LF Jesse Burkett wrapped up the monster outfield with a .332 average and 71 RBI. Ed Doheny managed 18 wins with his 4.08 ERA. The top ERA on the team belonged to Bill George (12-21, 3.98) but he still lost 21 games. That was not the worst though as John Ewing went 10-24 with a 4.93 ERA, likely signaling the end of his career at age 36. After winning pennants in 1890 and 1895, this team has quickly become a laughing stock. Batting AVG .380 John Rainey, NYG .359 Fred Shugart, PIT .352 Ginger Beaumont, PIT .350 Jake Virtue, CLS .350 Honus Wagner, LVC .349 Willie Keeler, NYG .347 Ed Delahanty, PHI HOMERUNS 15 Jimmy Williams, PIT 15 Jack Doyle, CLS 12 Mike Tiernan, NYG 11 Honus Wagner, LVC 11 Nap Lajoie, PHI RBI 107 Jimmy Williams, PIT 104 Peter O'Brien, CHC 102 Willie Keeler, NYG 100 Jake Virtue, CLS 95 Ed Delahanty, PHI OPS .917 Ed Delahanty, PHI .905 Honus Wagner, LVC .884 John Rainey, NYG .873 Jimmy Sheckard, BRO .867 Jake Virtue, CLS STEALS 65 John McGraw, BLO (65-33, 66.33%) 64 Hughie Jennings, LVC (64-23, 73.26%) 64 Vince Dailey, CLS (64-15, 81.01%) 62 Bill Lange, CHC (62-21, 74.70%) 59 Honus Wagner, LVC (59-19, 75.64%) ERA 2.62 Noodles Hahn, CIN (23-16) 2.69 Joe Corbett, BLO (24-10) 2.89 Ned Garvin, PHI (25-12) 2.89 Phil Knell, LVC (20-17) 2.92 Arlie Pond, BLO (17-14) WINS 25 Ned Garvin, PHI 24 Joe Corbett, BLO 23 Noodles Hahn, CIN 23 Sam Leever, PIT (3.67, 23.15) 23 Bill Vinton, PHI (23-12, 3.25) STRIKEOUTS 289 Bill Daley, BSN (20-18, 3.62) 264 Joe Corbett, BLO 255 Doc McJames, LVC (19-18, 4.12) 236 Willard Mains, CHC (16-20, 4.58) 233 George Keefe, BRO (16-19, 3.71) 218 Noodles Hahn, CIN POY: Joe Corbett, BLO, 24-10, 2.69 ERA, 62 BB, 264 K, .242 OAVG, 1.10 WHIP BOY: CF Ed Delahanty, PHI, .347, 95 RBI, 40 SB, .917 OPS ROY: Noodles Hahn, CIN, 23-16, 2.62 ERA, 56 BB, 218 K, .239 OAVG, 1.07 WHIP __________________ Set in Stone... 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11-04-2005, 04:53 PM	#45
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	1900 provides us with an interesting quandry. Louisville and Baltimore disband so all their players need new teams. I expect players to go where they really played in 1900, so Wagner will be with Pittsburgh for example. The rest though, I have to decide if either their careers are over of if I just place them on a random team. Plus in 1901, the AL begins and I can't help but wonder what those rosters will look like, since many of their initial players came from the NL. It should be interesting, but I would think the NL might dominate the first few World Series. And btw, the Spiders become the Cardinals in 1900. __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

11-05-2005, 10:21 AM	#47
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	1900 Player Distribution Here is a list of key players from Baltimore and Louisville and where they will play in 1900. Boston 1B/CF Buck Freeman, Age 28 7/10/10/5/7 over 9/10/10/4/6 1899: .256, 9 HR, 90 RBI, .710 OPS C/1B Boileryard Clark, Age 31 6/7/7/4/6 over 6/6/6/4/5 1899: .289, 41 RBI, .676 OPS in 370 AB CF Billy Lush, Age 26 6/6/7/10/5 over 7/7/6/10/6 1899: AAA Brooklyn P Doc McJames, Age 26 10/5/7 over 10/6/8 1899: 19-18, 4.12 ERA, 1.39 WHIP 1898: 19-22, 2.90 ERA, 1.14 WHIP P Joe McGinnity, Age 28 5/7/8 over 8/7/8 1899: 15-12, 3.99 ERA, 1.40 WHIP SS Hughie Jennings, Age 30 8/8/5/3/9 over 8/8/4/3/8 1899: .329, 54 RBI, 107 R, 64 SB, .798 OPS Chicago P Arlie Pond, Age 28 7/7/7 over 6/8/7 1899: 17-14, 2.92 ERA, 1.24 WHIP P Scott Stratton, Age 30 3/9/9 over 4/10/9 1899: AAA 1898: AAA 1897: 19-14, 4.04 ERA, 1.44 WHIP RF Tommy Dowd, Age 31 6/5/8/7/6 over 7/5/9/8/6 1899: .256, .643 OPS in 129 AB 1898: .299, 41 RBI, .771 OPS in 311 AB Cincinnati LF Kip Selbach, Age 27 7/8/8/9/7 over 8/9/9/9/6 1899: .327, 18 RBI, .844 OPS in 162 AB CF Ollie Pickering, Age 29 6/6/6/6/6 over 7/7/6/7/6 1899: .196, .418 OPS in 51 AB New York RF Tom McCreery, Age 25 8/9/8/6/4 over 8/9/7/6/3 1899: .346, 84 RBI, 100 R, 28 SB, .850 OPS P Pink Hawley, Age 27 7/9/6 over 8/9/5 1899: 12-20, 4.43 ERA, .141 WHIP LF Ducky Holmes, Age 31 6/8/6/5/6 over 5/9/6/5/5 1899: .174, .548 OPS in 23 AB CF Charlie Abbey, Age 33 6/7/7/6/5 over 6/7/7/6/6 1899: .305, 50 RBI, .755 OPS in 413 AB Philadelphia 1B Klondike Douglass, Age 27 6/6/8/6/6 over 7/7/7/6/6 1899: .260, 51 RBI, .671 OPS in 362 AB 3B Bert Myers, Age 25 6/5/4/5/6 over 6/5/4/6/6 1899: .305, 62 RBI, .695 OPS in 485 AB Pittsburgh SS Honus Wagner, Age 26 10/10/9/6/6 over 10/10/9/7/6 1899: .350, 11 HR, 93 RBI, 59 SB, .905 OPS P Phil Knell, Age 34 8/4/8 over 8/5/9 1899: 20-17, 2.89 ERA, 1.22 WHIP LF Fred Clarke, Age 27 9/9/7/7/5 over 9/9/7/8/6 1899: .294, 78 RBI, 36 SB, .758 OPS 1B Tom O'Brien, Age 27 7/7/8/6/6 over 7/7/8/6/6 1899: .254, 51 RBI, .639 OPS 2B Lou Bierbauer, Age 34 6/6/7/4/8 over 6/6/7/4/9 1899: .333, .933 OPS in 30 AB 3B Tommy Leach, Age 22 6/5/7/6/5 over 5/8/8/5/4 1899: AAA P Deacon Phillippe, Age 27 8/8/3 over 8/9/3 1899: AAA Somehow I managed to leave him in AAA St. Louis (formerly Cleveland) CF Mike Donlin, Age 21 6/7/10/6/6 over 10/9/9/6/6 1899: .288, 15 RBI, .708 OPS in 111 AB P Joe Corbett, Age 24 10/6/7 over 10/7/6 1899: 24-10, 2.69 ERA, 1.10 WHIP - Top Pitcher Award LF Frank Huelsman, Age 25 6/9/5/7/6 over 7/10/6/7/6 1899: AA 3B/SS John McGraw, Age 26 8/5/7/7/8 over 8/5/6/8/7 1899: .299, 54 RBI, 94 R, .711 OPS C Wilbert Robinson, Age 36 6/7/3/3/5 over 6/8/3/4/5 1899: .351, 21 RBI, .820 OPS in 205 AB 1898: .296, 45 RBI, .684 OPS in 473 AB 2B Bill Keister, Age 25 8/9/7/2/6 over 7/9/8/2/6 1899: .317, 74 RBI, .767 OPS as rookie in 439 AB 1B/OF Duff Cooley, Age 26 7/6/7/5/7 over 7/5/7/6/6 1899: .272, 62 RBI, .632 OPS __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

11-07-2005, 11:38 AM	#48
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Key Incoming Rookies for 1900: Chicago 3B Bill Bradley --- Age 22, 9/10/9/3/6 talent --- Patsy Tabeau has been the team's 3B for the past 10 seasons, but he's over the hill. At age 26, Harry Wolverton (6/7/5/5/6) looks to have the job this year but Bradley will almost certainly take over in 1901. The question this year is whether or not Bradley will be in AAA. CF Zaza Harvey --- Age 21, 9/7/6/4/6 talent --- An exciting hitter but several seasons from being developed. Will be in low A this year. Cincinnati CF Jimmy Barrett --- Age 24, 7/5/6/10/6 talent RF "Wahoo Sam" Crawford --- Age 19, 9/10/9/5/7 talent New York P Pete Dowling --- Age 24, 8/5/6 talent Pittsburgh P Rube Waddell --- Age 23, 10/6/3 talent 1B John Ganzel --- Age 25, 6/8/7/4/6 talent __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

11-03-2005, 10:14 AM	#41
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Another exciting rookie class. Turkey Mike! Some good pitching, Leever, Chesbro, McGinnity, Phillipe, Hahn. Beaumont's a lesser known, but excellent player.

11-04-2005, 09:02 PM	#46
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	You may need to put those spare players on AL teams if you can find any justification at all. Mainly becuase the AL teams stocked their rosters by raiding NL teams.

11-09-2005, 11:52 PM	#49
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	1900 Code: Team W L % GB Pittsburgh Pirates 93 52 .641 - Philadelphia Phillies 92 53 .634 1.0 St. Louis Cardinals 71 73 .493 21.5 Boston Beaneaters 70 74 .486 22.5 Brooklyn Superbas 69 75 .479 23.5 Cincinnati Reds 62 82 .431 30.5 New York Giants 61 83 .424 31.5 Chicago Orphans 59 85 .410 33.5 Pittsburgh was in first place for most of the first half of the season. But by mid-August the Phillies had taken a 5-game lead. Then, after winning 9 of their final 10 games that month, the Pirates moved to within a game of the Phillies. With four games left in the season, the Pirates managed to tie Philadelphia. Both teams went 2-1 in their final three games and wound up tied. The pennant-deciding game was a thriller. Both teams tossed out their top pitchers. Bill Vinton (24-14, 3.19) went for the Phillies and rookie sensation Rube Waddell (23-12, 2.50) went for the Pirates. Both pitchers allowed just 2 runs and the game went into extra innings. Waddell pitched a perfect 10th and reliever Jack McFetridge pitched the 10th for Philly. After 2 outs, the Pirates got runners on the corners, but McFetridge struck out Honus Wagner to end the inning. In the 11th, Ed Delahanty hit a 2 out triple off reliever Brownie Foreman and scored on a single by Mike Grady to give Philly a 3-2 lead. Then the Pirates strung together a single, a walk and another single to tied the game. With two on and one out, McFetridge struck out Harry Davis and got pinch hitter Charlie Reilly to ground out. In the 12th, Sam Leever came in and sat the Phillies down 1-2-3. Then McFetridge allowed a leadoff triple to Fred Clarke. After an out and an intentional walk to Wagner, Jimmy Williams stepped to the plate. Before he could take a swing, Wagner took off for 2nd and catcher Jack Clements overthrew 2B Nap Lajoie, allowing Clarke to score the winning run, giving Pittsburgh their first pennant since 1897. Pittsburgh Pirates This entire team was outstanding. LF Fred Clarke hit .337 and highlighted a Top Batter season with an impressive 38-game hitting streak. SS Frank Shugart led the team with a .367 average. SS Honus Wagner hit .314 with 92 RBI, and 2B Jimmy Williams hit .294 with 103 RBI. CF Ginger Beaumont hit .318. On the pitching side, Phil Knell went 29-9 with a 2.27 ERA and won the Top Pitcher award at age 35. The veteran was complimented by Top Rookie Rube Waddell who went 23-12, 2.50. Philadelphia Phillies Losing the pennant was hard enough, but to lose it on a bad throw in the bottom of the 12th of the final game of the season was brutal. The Phillies finished 2nd to Pittsburgh in most pitching categories and team average, although they did score more runs. LF Billy Hamilton hit .321 with 58 steals. CF Ed Delahanty hit .319 with 77 RBI, and 1B Mike Grady hit .318 with 80 RBI. RF Elmer Flick led the team with 94 RBI while hitting .284. Catcher Jack Clements hit .285 with 82 RBI. The 36-year-old has over 1000 career hits and a .290 average but he may forever be remembered for the bad throw that lost the pennant. Bill Bernhard (15-7) led the team with a 2.81 ERA. Outside of him, the Phillies had three 20-game winners: Bill Vinton (24-14, 3.19), Tully Sparks (23-11, 3.12) and Ned Garvin (20-13, 3.72). The 35-year-old Vinton became the 3rd pitcher to pass 300 wins. He also passed Lady Baldwin for 2nd all-time. St. Louis Cardinals Formerly the Cleveland Spiders, the addition of several players from the disbanded Baltimore and Louisville clubs helped push this team back above .500. 2B Bill Keister was the only starter to hit over .300. He hit .312 with 10 HR and 80 RBI. Catcher Jack Doyle led the league with 11 HR's and he also drove in 75 RBI with a .280 average. 3B Bobby Wallace hit .294 and led the team with 83 RBI. Jack Powell was the team's top pitcher, going 20-15 with a 3.40 ERA. Joe Corbett was right behind him with a 19-19 record and a 3.34 ERA. George Davies went 15-11 with a 3.77 ERA. Cy Young (12-16, 4.34) struggled once again, but after being pulled from the rotation in July, he returned in late August and went 3-2 with a 2.12 ERA that month. Boston Beaneaters Billy Herman led the team with a .336 average and 80 RBI. Herman Long hit .331 with 76 RBI and 100 runs. Despite few other standout performances, the team finished with the 3rd best offense. In his first season as a starter, Big Bill Dinneen went 19-9 with a 3.08 ERA. Kid Nichols anchored the rotation and went 19-18, 3.46. Bill Daley had a respectable 3.66 ERA but went just 14-20 after winning 20 games last season. After going 17-19 with a 3.22 ERA last season, Vic Willis struggled with a 4.93 ERA in 1900 and had a 8-17 record. Brooklyn Superbas Catcher "Broadway Aleck" Smith led the team with a .310 average. LF Jimmy Sheckard hit .297 and led the Superbas with 77 RBI. Michael Griffin (.283, 45 RBI, 99 R) and Hughie Jennings (.286, 62 RBI, 85 R) combined for 107 stolen bases. In his first season with the team, Doc McJames went 17-18 but led Brooklyn with a 2.73 ERA. George Keefe went 22-15, 3.42. Cincinnati Reds RF Dusty Miller had the team's top average (.311) and stole 44 bases. Catcher Jocko Halligan's 65 RBI were a team high. Pitching was a bright spot at times. Amos Rusie (15-11, 2.53 ERA) continues to keep his place in the rotation even though locals never expect him to last through a whole season as a starter. Noodles Hahn went 19-15, 3.05. Elton Chamberlain (13-22, 3.98), who has consistently frustrated the team, lost 20 games for the 7th straight season. New York Giants RF Willie Keeler (.350, 63 RBI) and 1B Tom McCreery (.316, 64 RBI) continue to shoulder the load in New York. Four of the team's remaining six starters hit between .256 and .213. Ed Doheny (14-18, 3.66), Jouett Meekin (17-22, 3.53) and Bill George (12-11, 3.54) had decent seasons but not good enough to get this team near .500. Chicago Orphans It took 25 years, but Chicago finally suffered their first losing season. Not only did they lose, but they lost often. They finished dead last with a 59-85 (.410) record. LF Jimmy Ryan's .296 average was a team high. At age 37, "Pony" has 2602 hits and a .325 career average. Double play combo Peter O'Brien (.271, 10 HR, 77 RBI) and Bill Dahlen (.262, 9 HR, 75 RBI) had low averages but provided the team's power. Clark Griffith's 3.30 ERA was a team best. His 13-13 record put him one win behind team leader Arlie Pond (14-20, 4.29). Pond was a huge disappointment after going 17-14, 2.92 last season with Baltimore. Late in the season, Pop Williams (6-11, 3.58) assumed a bigger role and should be in next year's rotation. Batting AVG .367 Frank Shugart, PIT .350 Willie Keeler, NYG .337 Fred Clarke, PIT .336 Billy Nash, BSN .331 Herman Long, BSN HOMERUNS 11 Jack Doyle, STL 10 Peter O'Brien, CHC 10 Bill Keister, STL 9 Jocko Halligan, CIN 9 Fred Clarke, PIT 9 Bill Dahlen, CHC RBI 103 Jimmy Williams, PIT 94 Elmer Flick, PHI 92 Honus Wagner, PIT 83 Bobby Wallace, STL 82 Jack Clements, PHI 81 Nap Lajoie, PHI OPS .892 Mike Grady, PHI .876 Ed Delahanty, PHI .864 Frank Shugart, PIT .860 Fred Clarke, PIT .839 Honus Wagner, PIT .832 Bill Keister, STL .814 Willie Keeler, NYG .802 Herman Long, BSN .796 Elmer Flick, PHI STEALS 61 Bill Lange, CHC (61-18, 77.22%) 58 Billy Hamilton, PHI (58-29, 67.44%) 57 Vince Dailey, STL (57-13, 81.43%) 57 John McGraw, STL (57-28, 66.67%) 54 Frank Chance, CHC (54-18, 75.00%) 54 Michael Griffin, BRO (54-16, 77.14%) 53 Hughie Jennings, BRO (53-23, 69.74%) ERA 2.27 Phil Knell, PIT (29-9) 2.50 Rube Waddell, PIT (23-12) 2.53 Amos Rusie, CIN (15-11) 2.73 Doc McJames, BRO (17-18) 2.81 Bill Bernhard, PHI (15-7) 3.05 Noodles Hahn, CIN (19-15) 3.08 Bill Dinneen, BSN (19-9) WINS 29 Phil Knell, PIT 24 Bill Vinton, PHI (24-14, 3.19) 23 Tully Sparks, PHI (23-11, 3.12) 23 Rube Waddell, PIT 22 George Keefe, BRO (22-15, 3.42) 20 Ned Garvin, PHI (20-13, 3.72) 20 Jack Powell, STL (20-15, 3.40) STRIKEOUTS 261 Rube Waddell, PIT 234 Bill Daley, BSN (14-20, 3.66) 229 Joe Corbett, STL (19-19, 3.34) 193 Noodles Hahn, CIN 190 Doc McJames, BRO 190 Jack Powell, STL POY: Phil Knell, PIT, 29-9, 2.27 ERA, 82 BB, 149 K, .263 OAVG, 1.24 WHIP BOY: LF Fred Clarke, PIT, .337, 9 HR, 68 RBI, 48 SB, .860 OPS ROY: Rube Waddell, PIT, 23-12, 2.50 ERA, 74 BB, 261 K, .197 OAVG, 0.91 WHIP __________________ Set in Stone... 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11-10-2005, 08:41 AM	#50
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Pittsburgh's going to be just plain nasty for a long time. Loads of hitting and now they get Waddell on the mound too! Plus, since this is a game, Rube won't be displaying his various idiosyncracies that got him bounced from a couple of teams.

11-10-2005, 11:26 AM	#51
TwinsFan86 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Auburn Hills, MI Posts: 276	The Pirates are scary. That's all I got to say.

11-10-2005, 11:51 AM	#52
Sir Lurksalot All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,044	This just keeps getting better and better! Now that there are some of the more "name" players it's getting very interesting. I am surprised that Young is so meh. I like seeing some of the players who "could have been" playing so well. Lange, Beaumont etc. Awesome dynasty!!

11-11-2005, 11:06 AM	#53
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Now if I can just get enough space to upload catobase. I assume you guys would enjoy looking thru that? __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

11-14-2005, 11:42 PM	#54
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Key Incoming Rookies for 1901: NATIONAL LEAGUE Boston RF Cozy Dolan --- Age 28, 6/5/7/5/6 talent Brooklyn P "Wild Bill" Donovan --- Age 24, 10/5/5 talent Chicago P Tom Hughes, "Long Tom" --- Age 22, 10/6/3 talent C Johnny Kling, "Noisy" --- Age 26, 7/10/7/3/6 talent 3B Sammy Strang, "Dixie Thrush" --- Age 24, 6/7/6/10/6 talent Cincinnati P Charlie Case --- Age 21, 7/6/4 talent LF Topsy Hartsel --- Age 26, 7/8/8/10/6 talent CF John Dobbs --- Age 25, 6/7/5/5/6 talent CF Harry Bay, "Deer Foot" --- Age 23, 7/5/6/5/6 talent New York P Christy Mathewson, "Big Six" --- Age 20, 10/8/3 talent P Dummy Taylor --- Age 26, 9/6/3 talent Philadelphia P Happy Townsend --- Age 21, 10/5/3 talent P Doc White --- Age 21, 10/7/3 talent Pittsburgh 1B Kitty Bransfield --- Age 26, 8/9/6/3/6 talent St. Louis P Jack Harper --- Age 22, 9/5/3 talent SS Otto Krueger, "Oom Paul" --- Age 24, 5/6/6/7/6 talent AMERICAN LEAGUE -Since no AL team imported with a full roster (some with as few as 4 players), I will release several players from the NL teams to fill out the AL rosters. I am mostly releasing minor leaguers and major league backups. I will also release some quality players who have been kept from starting by better players. Baltimore P Stan Yerkes --- Age 26, 5/6/8 talent C Roger Bresnahan --- Age 21, 8/10/7/10/6 talent CF Cy Seymour --- Age 28, 9/9/9/5/6 talent Boston P Win Kellum --- Age 24, 8/7/3 talent P George Winter, "Sassafrass" --- Age 22, 7/6/3 talent C Ossee Schreckengost --- Age 25, 8/9/5/2/6 talent 2B Hobe Ferris --- Age 23, 7/9/6/2/6 talent SS Freddy Parent --- Age 25, 7/8/7/3/6 talent CF Charlie Hemphill --- Age 24, 8/6/7/7/6 talent Chicago P Roy Patterson --- Age 24, 8/7/3 talent Cleveland P Earl Moore, "Crossfire" --- Age 21, 10/4/3 talent SS Danny Shay --- Age 24, 5/6/5/9/6 talent Detroit P Jack Cronin --- Age 26, 8/6/3 talent P Frank Owen, "Yip" --- Age 21, 8/8/4 talent P Ed Siever --- Age 23, 9/8/3 talent 1B Davey Crockett --- Age 25, 6/5/4/4/6 talent 3B Doc Casey --- Age 30, 6/6/5/3/6 talent SS Kid Elberfeld, "Tabasco Kid" --- Age 25, 7/8/6/7/6 talent Milwaukee 2B Bill Friel --- Age 24, 5/6/6/4/6 talent 3B Wid Conroy --- Age 23, 5/7/6/5/6 talent SS Billy Gilbert --- Age 24, 6/5/4/8/6 talent CF Billy Maloney --- Age 22, 6/7/6/5/6 talent RF Bill Hallman --- Age 24, 5/7/4/8/6 talent RF Irv Waldron --- Age 25, 7/6/4/5/6 talent Philadelphia P Eddie Plank, "Gettysburg Eddie" --- Age 25, 10/7/5 talent C Harry Smith --- Age 26, 5/5/9/6/7 ratings LF Matty McIntyre --- Age 20, 8/8/5/9/6 talent CF Dave Fultz --- Age 25, 7/7/5/10/6 talent RF Socks Seybold --- Age 30, 8/10/10/6/6 talent Washington P Case Patten --- Age 24, 10/6/3 talent 2B John Farrell --- Age 24, 6/9/5/7/6 talent 3B Bill Coughlin, "Scranton Bill" --- Age 22, 6/7/6/4/6 talent RF Watty Lee --- Age 21, 5/8/6/6/6 talent __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

11-15-2005, 12:07 AM	#55
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Wow. Some great names like Mathewson, Plank and Bresnahan. Plus LOTS of really good, but lesser known players: Kling and Schreckengost, White, Bransfeld, Seymour, Seybold, Elberfeld. Nice deep class.

11-15-2005, 02:38 PM	#56
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	1901 National League Note: The lower level of talent in the AL skewed the league totals a bit, so the batting avg and ERA in the AL are a bit too low and in the NL they are a bit too high. That should level out in time. Code: Team W L % GB Philadelphia Phillies 84 56 .600 - St. Louis Cardinals 81 59 .579 3 Pittsburgh Pirates 76 64 .543 8 New York Giants 70 70 .500 14 Boston Beaneaters 68 72 .486 16 Cincinnati Reds 64 76 .457 20 Chicago Orphans 60 80 .429 24 Brooklyn Superbas 57 83 .407 27 League AVG: .278 League ERA: 4.00 Philadelphia Phillies Despite a 4-game losing streak from September 23-26 and a 2-5 record in their final 7 games, the Phillies still managed to clinch the pennant. On Sept 26, the Cardinals lost 10-6 to the Giants, eliminating them from the race. 2B Nap Lajoie and CF Ed Delahanty led one of the best offenses in the league. Lajoie hit .337 with 15 HR and 102 RBI while Delahanty hit .360 with 11 HR and 113 RBI. LF Billy Hamilton hit .303 and stole 57 bases. RF Elmer Flick hit .304 with 88 RBI. 1B Mike Grady hit .287 with 8 HR and 85 RBI. 37-year-old catcher Jack Clements hit 9 HR with 87 RBI despite a .240 average. SS Cupid Childs hit .296. Rookie Doc White went 24-10 with a 3.42 ERA, earning Top Pitcher honors. 36-year-old Bill Vinton went 20-12, 3.57 and advanced his career record to 338-236. That pushed him past Laurie Reis for most wins all-time. Bill Bernhard went 19-6, 3.64. St. Louis Cardinals Once the most dominant franchise in the AL, winning 6 pennants in 8 seasons while calling Detroit and Cleveland home, the Cardinals came closest to winning a pennant since a 3rd place finish in 1894. In his first season as a starter, LF Mike Donlin hit .335 with 9 HR and 88 RBI. 3B Bobby Wallace hit .286 with 87 RBI. 1B Duff Cooley rebounded to hit .300 with 61 RBI after hitting .270 in 141 AB last year. 2B Bill Keister hit .293 with 79 RBI. SS John McGraw hit .302, and CF Emmet Heidrick hit .320 in 341 AB. Joe Corbett went 21-11 with a 3.71 ERA. Jack Powell went 20-11 with a 4.14 ERA. Cy Young had his best season in years, going 16-11, 3.54. Charlie Hastings went 16-11, 3.80. Pittsburgh Pirates The Pirates had the best offense in the league, but it was not enough to defend their NL title. SS Honus Wagner hit .320 with 12 HR and 97 RBI. LF Fred Clarke hit .349, and 2B Jimmy Williams hit .279 with 10 HR and 122 RBI (a new NL record). 3B Frank Shugart won the batting title with a .366 average, and CF Ginger Beaumont hit .341. In his first season as a starter, Jack Chesbro went 20-14, 3.47. Rube Waddell went 21-13, but his ERA slipped to 4.43. Brownie Foreman returned to the rotation and went 18-14 with a 4.13 ERA. New York Giants The Giants nearly had their 3rd winning season in the past decade, but they lost 2 of their last 3 games all to Boston. CF Mike Tiernan hit .311 with 9 HR and 90 RBI. 1B Tom McCreery hit .340 with 60 RBI, and RF Willie Keeler hit .314 with 67 RBI. LF Jesse Burkett has seen his AB total slip from 506 in 1899 to 409 in 1900 and now to 383 this season. However, he improved from last season, raising his OPS from .689 to .799. Their pitching staff led the league but only one of their regular starters had a winning record. Ed Doheny went 17-16, 3.48. Pink Hawley went 18-19, 3.64, and rookie Christy Mathewson went 14-17 with a 3.28 ERA that was 2nd in the league. Boston Beaneaters 3B Billy Nash led the team with a .341 average and 86 RBI. 1B Fred Tenney hit .332, and RF Chich Stahl hit .320. The team's strength was pitching though. Bill Daley (16-20, 3.29 ERA) was their best pitcher despite 20 losses. The rest of their starters had good ERA's too (Bill Dinneen 18-18, 3.65; Jack Stivetts 17-17, 3.86; Kid Nichols 10-8, 3.86). Cincinnati Reds RF Dusty Miller (.332, 77 RBI), catcher Jocko Halligan (.317) and rookie outfielders Topsy Hartsel (.303, 64 RBI) and Sam Crawford (.287, 77 RBI) were about the only offensive positives. The pitching staff struggles, and no starters had ERA's below the league average. Noodles Hahn (17-18, 4.02) and Amos Rusie (12-16, 4.17) were the top starters. Elton Chamberlain (15-19, 4.49) and Jesse Tannehill (11-15, 4.93) continued to disappoint fans. Chicago Orphans Chicago's offense was one of the best in the league. No one player had a standout year, but together they scored plenty of runs. 2B Pete O'Brien hit .301 and led the team with 91 RBI. SS Bill Dahlen hit .307 with 77 RBI. CF Bill Lange hit .302. 1B Bill Everitt (.312, 391 AB) and RF Danny Green (.328, 7 HR, 345 AB) hit well with little playing time. Rookie Long Tom Hughes had a superb season, going 20-14 with a league-leading 3.21 ERA. The rest of the staff had terrible seasons. Brooklyn Superbas SS Hughie Jennings hit .308 with 73 RBI. CF Fielder Jones hit .307. LF Jimmy Sheckard hit .291 with 71 RBI. 1B John Anderson hit .277 and drove in 75 RBI in just 397 AB. George Keefe (14-19, 3.96 ERA) and rookie Wild Bill Donovan (14-21, 3.60) kept this team from a much worse fate. After going 17-18, 2.73 in his first season with Brooklyn last year, Doc McJames struggled to go 13-20, 4.62. Batting AVG .366 Frank Shugart, PIT .360 Ed Delahanty, PHI .349 Fred Clarke, PIT .341 Ginger Beaumont, PIT .341 Billy Nash, BSN HOMERUNS 15 Nap Lajoie, PHI 12 Honus Wagner, PIT 11 Ed Delahanty, PHI 10 Jimmy Williams, PIT RBI 122 Jimmy Williams, PIT 113 Ed Delahanty, PHI 102 Nap Lajoie, PHI 97 Honus Wagner, PIT 91 Pete O'Brien, CHC OPS 1.053 Ed Delahanty, PHI .946 Honus Wagner, PIT .944 Dusty Miller, CIN .938 Mike Donlin, STL .920 Nap Lajoie, PHI STEALS 83 Bill Lange, CHC (83-32, 72.17%) 57 Michael Griffin, BRO (57-11, 83.82%) 57 Billy Hamilton, PHI (57-19, 75.00%) 55 Willie Keeler, NYG (55-13, 80.88%) 54 Frank Chance, CHC (54-25, 68.35%) 53 John McGraw, STL (53-22, 70.76%) 53 Fred Clarke, PIT (53-8, 86.89%) 52 Honus Wagner, PIT (52-9, 85.25%) 52 Mike Tiernan, NYG (52-19, 73.24%) ERA 3.21 Tom Hughes, CHC (20-14) 3.28 Christy Mathewson, NYG (14-17) 3.29 Bill Daley, BSN (16-20) 3.42 Doc White, PHI (24-10) 3.47 Jack Chesbro, PIT (20-14) WINS 24 Doc White, PHI 21 Joe Corbett, STL (21-11, 3.71) 21 Rube Waddell, PIT (21-13, 4.43) 20 Bill Vinton, PHI (20-12, 3.57) 20 Jack Chesbro, PIT 20 Tom Hughes, CHC 20 Jack Powell, STL (20-11, 4.14) STRIKEOUTS 283 Rube Waddell, PIT 279 Bill Daley, BSN (16-20, 3.29) 270 Joe Corbett, STL 248 Tom Hughes, CHC 243 Doc White, PHI 242 Christy Mathewson, NYG POY: Doc White, PHI, 24-10, 3.42 ERA, 59 BB, 243 K, .257 OAVG, 1.17 WHIP BOY: CF Ed Delahanty, PHI, .360, 11 HR, 113 RBI, 33 SB, 1.053 OPS ROY: Doc White, PHI, 24-10, 3.42 ERA, 59 BB, 243 K, .257 OAVG, 1.17 WHIP __________________ Set in Stone... 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11-15-2005, 04:15 PM	#57
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	1901 American League Code: Team W L % GB Detroit Tigers 77 63 .550 - Chicago White Sox 76 64 .543 1 Philadelphia Athletics 72 68 .514 5 Cleveland Blues 71 69 .507 6 Milwaukee Brewers 71 69 .507 6 Baltimore Orioles 68 72 .486 9 Boston Americans 65 75 .464 12 Washington Senators 60 80 .429 17 League AVG: .255 League ERA: 3.33 Detroit Tigers In the AL's first season, Detroit came out on top. On October 5th, the Tigers had a 1.5-game lead on Chicago. The White Sox's only hope was to win their final two games and hope Detroit would lose their last game. However, the A's beat Chicago 6-3 on this day while Detroit beat Baltimore 7-5. On the field, the Tigers were a tale of two sides. First, their offense led the league. After 13 seasons with the Beaneaters and becoming a backup last year, LF Tommy McCarthy jumped to the Tigers and hit .302 with 94 runs scored. SS Kid Elberfeld hit .297 with 93 RBI. CF Roy Thomas hit .358, leading the league and making the Phillies sad they ever lost him. However, Detroit's pitching finished last in the league and was the main reason the team could never pull away. Alex Jones won Top Pitcher honors by going 25-13 with a 3.13 ERA. Rookie Frank Owen went 22-15, 3.32 and was named Top Rookie. Chicago White Sox Chicago came up just short in their first season, but their pitching gives them hope for next year. They led the AL with a 3.12 team ERA. Sam Leever went 25-13 with s 3.07 ERA. Roy Patterson went 19-16 with a 3.18 ERA. Despite only throwing 172.1 innings, rookie Wee Willie Sudhoff (7-11) finished 2nd in the league with a 2.61 ERA. On offense, RF Tommy Dowd led the team with a .309 average, and 1B Harry Davis' 69 RBI were a team high. Dowd also stole 50 bases, but LF George Flynn led the team with 69 swipes. Philadelphia Athletics The A's offense scored the 2nd most runs per game in the league. Rookie RF Socks Seybold hit .302 with 11 HR and 78 RBI and was named Top Batter in his first season. 3B Charlie Reilly hit .324 with 78 RBI, while rookie LF Matty McIntyre led the team with a .337 average. Rookie 2B Pete Childs hit 9 HR with just a .205 average. The team's pitching was around the middle of the league. Frank Kitson starred with a 22-15 record and a 2.90 ERA. Rookie Eddie Plank went 19-16, 3.70. Cleveland Blues Cleveland was mediocre at bat and on the mound. 1B Klondike Douglass led the team with a .303 average. 2B Sam Mertes hit .296 with 8 HR and 93 RBI. After winning 24 games as a rookie with Pittsburgh in 1898, Tom Colcolough went 7-14, 5.97 the next season and couldn't make the Pittsburgh roster in 1900. This year, he was on top again, going 20-16 with a 2.80 ERA in Cleveland. Milwaukee Brewers LF Tom O'Brien (.336, 78 RBI) and rookie RF Irv Waldron (.326, 59 RBI) were a powerful duo. 1B Candy LaChance hit .303 with 73 RBI. 32-year-old Hal Mauck (21-18, 2.86) made the most of his first chance to start regularly. Silver King (20-19, 3.15) had a good season as well. 38-year-old Charlie Sweeney also took advantage of another shot at starting. After starting 39 games for Brooklyn in 1899, he started just 8 last season. This year, the Brewers limited the veteran's arm to 24 starts but he was able to go 12-10 with a 3.63 ERA. He won his first three starts of the season, and that 3rd win on May 23rd against the Senators gave him 300 for his career. Baltimore Orioles 28-year-old rookie CF Cy Seymour led a respectable offense with a .334 average. RF Jimmy Bannon (.280) and SS Tommy Corcoran (.289) led the team with 67 RBI. The pitching staff allowed the 2nd most runs per game in the league even though Wiley Piatt (22-12) led the league with a 2.60 ERA. Ed Stein (18-17, 2.90) had a great season too. Boston Americans Rookie pitcher George Prentiss helped lead one of the best rotations in the league. He went 17-14, 2.93. Buttons Briggs posted a 3.07 ERA but went just 16-23. Jake Volz (15-18, 3.46) had a respectable season. Rookie SS Freddie Parent led the team with a .312 average. RF Shad Barry's 61 RBI was a team high, but he hit just .224. Rookies Ossee Schreckengost (.236, 9 HR) and Ace Stewart (.225, 7 HR) provided power with low average. Washington Senators The Senators finished last despite the top pitching staff in the league. Davey Dunkle (17-14, 2.64) and Tom Smith (17-18, 2.85) led the way. The offense, however, was dead last in the AL. Two regulars hit below .200, and no one hit above LF Jimmy Slagle's .283. Slagle also led the team with 52 steals. Batting AVG .358 Roy Thomas, DET .337 Matty McIntyre, PHA .336 Tom O'Brien, MLA .334 Cy Seymour, BLA .326 Irv Waldron, MLA HOMERUNS 11 Socks Seybold, PHA 9 Pete Childs, PHA 9 Ossee Schreckengost, BOS 8 Sam Mertes, CLE RBI 93 Sam Mertes, CLE 93 Kid Elberfeld, DET 78 Charlie Reilly, PHA 78 Tom O'Brien, MLA 78 Socks Seybold, PHA 73 Candy LaChance, MLA OPS .904 Roy Thomas, DET .857 Socks Seybold, PHA .857 Sam Mertes, CLE .848 Tom O'Brien, MLA .838 Matty McIntyre, PHA STEALS 69 George Flynn, CHW (69-33, 67.65%) 67 Dave Fultz, PHA (67-26, 72.04%) 59 Tommy McCarthy, DET (59-14, 80.82%) 52 Jimmy Slagel, WSH (52-17, 75.36%) ERA 2.60 Wiley Piatt, BLA (22-12) 2.61 Willie Sudhoff, CHW (7-11) 2.64 Davey Dunkle, WSH (17-14) 2.80 Tom Colcolough, CLE (20-16) 2.85 Tom Smith, WSH (17-18) 2.84 Hal Mauck, MLA (21-18) WINS 25 Alex Jones, DET (25-13, 3.13) 25 Sam Leever, CHW (25-13, 3.07) 22 Frank Owen, DET (22-15, 3.32) 22 Wiley Piatt, BLA 22 Frank Kitson, PHA (22-15, 2.90) 21 Hal Mauck, MLA STRIKEOUTS 239 Frank Owen, DET 236 George Prentiss, BOS (17-14, 2.93) 230 Davey Dunkle, WSH 208 Jake Volz, BOS (15-18, 3.46) 204 Sam Leever, CHW POY: Alex Jones, DET, 25-13, 3.13 ERA, 74 BB, 200 K, .235 OAVG, 1.12 WHIP BOY: RF Socks Seybold, PHA, .302, 11 HR, 78 RBI, .857 OPS ROY: Frank Owen, DET, 22-15, 3.32 ERA, 98 BB, 239 K, .227 OAVG, 1.16 WHIP __________________ Set in Stone... 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11-15-2005, 04:33 PM	#58
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	1901 World Series Few people believed any AL team could hold its own against a team from the NL. So almost no one gave Detroit any chance against the Phillies in this first league championship. However, the Tigers took a 3-1 lead on Doc White and the Phillies in the 3rd inning. The lead was short lived though as the Phillies scored 4 runs off Alex Jones in the 4th. Jones only lasted 2 more innings, allowing 7 runs off 10 hits and 4 walks in 6 innings as Detroit lost to Philly 12-5. In Game 2, Bill Vinton gave up just 2 runs off 9 hits while the Philly offense tagged Roscoe Miller and the Tigers for 10 runs. In Detroit, the Phillies won 8-3 and neared a sweep. The Tigers led Game 4 4-1 after 5 innings. The Phillies then scored a run in the 6th and 2 more in the 8th to tie the game. But in the bottom of the 8th, catcher Al Shaw hit an RBI single to put Detroit back on top 5-4. 3B Doc Casey missed a squeeze bunt and Tommy McCarthy was tagged out at home. Then the Tigers next two batters struck out. But that last run was enough as Detroit managed their first win. Game 5 was ugly for Tigers fans though, as the Phillies scored in each of the first 7 innings ans won 10-5. All in all, the Phillies outscored the Tigers 44-20. Winner, 4-1: Philadelphia Phillies, 1st Championship __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise Last edited by Matt from TN; 11-15-2005 at 07:48 PM.

11-15-2005, 04:48 PM	#59
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Matt, are you starting to get guys finishing more or less complete careers? Will you be noting key retirees each season with some career totals?