Competitive balance discussion - Page 28

ASURay · 12-10-2018, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Asov

You cant prevent inflation when everyone can "print" points without adding more offer (buying packs). In this game the only porpouse of auction fee is removing points from people.

I know, right? I love it when people try to apply economic principles to a game that uses shadow currency with no intrinsic value or global economic controls.

BusterKing · 12-10-2018, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

They don't. The seller pays the tax, and he might not have bought any points at all, and he does not have to buy any PP to sell cards.

LOL, this doesn't make any sense, how do you think he got his cards in the first place. Please stop trying to rationalize this, the points are taken away for no reason whatsoever.

zrog2000 · 12-10-2018, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterKing

LOL, this doesn't make any sense, how do you think he got his cards in the first place. Please stop trying to rationalize this, the points are taken away for no reason whatsoever.

By opening packs that he got with achievements? Like literally every player who doesn't spend money? Like every single card that I own or have owned?

Westheim · 12-10-2018, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterKing

LOL, this doesn't make any sense, how do you think he got his cards in the first place. Please stop trying to rationalize this, the points are taken away for no reason whatsoever.

Are you even actually playing the game or do you only come here to post garbage? Because:

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Originally Posted by zrog2000

By opening packs that he got with achievements? Like literally every player who doesn't spend money? Like every single card that I own or have owned?

Huh! Quite the surprise that they give you PP for just playing the game!

I would add that you can also sell the cards from your starter packs. Which are, you know, free.

You should probably stop here before you make even more of a joke out of yourself.

Orcin · 12-10-2018, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Asov

You cant prevent inflation when everyone can "print" points without adding more offer (buying packs). In this game the only porpouse of auction fee is removing points from people.

Yes, now you are finally getting it. Congrats!

Asov · 12-10-2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

Yes, now you are finally getting it. Congrats!

Seems like you missed my point, im saying that buying players with money, directly, without opening packs, generates inflation. Ive said this multiple times since the beta.

Search "fifa inflation coinsellers" on google and read. Example.

And please, don't patronize me, this is the second time you do it.

max venerabel · 12-10-2018, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

If you mean the auction fee, it is designed to remove points from the economy to prevent inflation and encourage more spending.

My interpretation of the auction fee is to encourage more value in keeping players. If you have to beat your purchase price +10% when reselling a card at auction, it makes you think twice about purchasing that card in the first place, and encourages careful planning and buying for need rather than an economy of speculation and flipping.

zrog2000 · 12-10-2018, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Asov

Seems like you missed my point, im saying that buying players with money, directly, without opening packs, generates inflation. Ive said this multiple times since the beta.

Search "fifa inflation coinsellers" on google and read. Example.

And please, don't patronize me, this is the second time you do it.

Well, I'm now reading about coinsellers causing inflation, which cannot be done in PT.

Also, what cards are we talking about that is going to have their values inflated? Because the prices of everything but the rarest historical perfects and diamonds are going down. Is it a goal that everyone should be able to grind for a team of perfect Babe Ruth/Barry Bonds/etc?

whobob · 12-10-2018, 02:41 PM

It seems to me that buying packs takes PP out of the marketplace. You can spend 1,000-ish to get a gold card in the AH, or you can buy a pack. Most of the time that I buy a pack, those 1,000 PP are just gone-- vaporized into 50 PP that I'd get from quick selling whatever worthless cards I just got.

Asov · 12-10-2018, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by zrog2000

Well, I'm now reading about coinsellers causing inflation, which cannot be done in PT.

Also, what cards are we talking about that is going to have their values inflated? Because the prices of everything but the rarest historical perfects and diamonds are going down. Is it a goal that everyone should be able to grind for a team of perfect Babe Ruth/Barry Bonds/etc?

Theres only one currency on PT, coinselling is legal here.

Top cards. Prices are down because people dont have coins and inflation will only afect top rare cards mainly.

Yes, you can play without the best cards, this only accentuates the ptw aspect of the game.

Kushiel · 12-10-2018, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by zrog2000

Well, I'm now reading about coinsellers causing inflation, which cannot be done in PT.

Also, what cards are we talking about that is going to have their values inflated? Because the prices of everything but the rarest historical perfects and diamonds are going down. Is it a goal that everyone should be able to grind for a team of perfect Babe Ruth/Barry Bonds/etc?

Regretfully, you cannot use logic in these conversations. Some people are chronic complainers about one thing or another. You will never convince them that prices are falling because they never actually look and pay attention. They just look at a better team than they have and instead of finding some way to improve their team, they just start screaming.

No malice intended. I am just stating what I see. I use the AH every single day, then use my profit to buy more cards. Try it you'll like it

What does the 10% matter anyway. OOTP is a business, not a charity. They have taxes, employees the whole 9 yards.

Its just a game. you can spend or not spend. Have fun!

Kushiel · 12-10-2018, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Asov

Theres only one currency on PT, coinselling is legal here.

Top cards. Prices are down because people dont have coins and inflation will only afect top rare cards mainly.

Yes, you can play without the best cards, this only accentuates the ptw aspect of the game.

There are many teams doing quite well without spending any money.

zrog2000 · 12-10-2018, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Asov

Theres only one currency on PT, coinselling is legal here.

Top cards. Prices are down because people dont have coins and inflation will only afect top rare cards mainly.

Yes, you can play without the best cards, this only accentuates the ptw aspect of the game.

I don't see a problem. There's always going to be pay to win when you can pay to win. I don't rage quit because I can't have a Babe Ruth without spending $200 on points. I just am silly to dream on drawing him from packs and that's fun for me. Those cards that sell for 30k or more points just are not obtainable for me so I couldn't care less if they're 30k or 3 million. It's not that I can't spend money, it's that I choose not to. (because I'm afraid that if I start I won't stop)

Also, if the cards get too expensive, then it's cheaper to buy packs and hope for RNG. There is nothing that says that everyone should be able to obtain every card. That would be a dumb uninteresting game.

Asov · 12-10-2018, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kushiel

Regretfully, you cannot use logic in these conversations. Some people are chronic complainers about one thing or another. You will never convince them that prices are falling because they never actually look and pay attention. They just look at a better team than they have and instead of finding some way to improve their team, they just start screaming.

No malice intended. I am just stating what I see. I use the AH every single day, then use my profit to buy more cards. Try it you'll like it

What does the 10% matter anyway. OOTP is a business, not a charity. They have taxes, employees the whole 9 yards.

Its just a game. you can spend or not spend. Have fun!

Yes, im doing the same, ive made like 10k on 3 days.

But it doesnt mean im right or wrong, im all ears, show me the logic im missing.

Kushiel · 12-10-2018, 03:04 PM

There is no right or wrong as long as you play by the rules as intended. That is the bottom line logic that you are missing.

sharknut · 12-10-2018, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by zrog2000

I don't see a problem. There's always going to be pay to win when you can pay to win. I don't rage quit because I can't have a Babe Ruth without spending $200 on points. I just am silly to dream on drawing him from packs and that's fun for me. Those cards that sell for 30k or more points just are not obtainable for me so I couldn't care less if they're 30k or 3 million. It's not that I can't spend money, it's that I choose not to. (because I'm afraid that if I start I won't stop)

Also, if the cards get too expensive, then it's cheaper to buy packs and hope for RNG. There is nothing that says that everyone should be able to obtain every card. That would be a dumb uninteresting game.

Actually, it would make it PERFECT. A true representation of how good a manager you are. All this does now if show how much money you spend. Anyone can do that.

Asov · 12-10-2018, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kushiel

There is no right or wrong as long as you play by the rules as intended. That is the bottom line logic that you are missing.

So no one should complain about PTW games.

Kushiel · 12-10-2018, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sharknut

Actually, it would make it PERFECT. A true representation of how good a manager you are. All this does now if show how much money you spend. Anyone can do that.

I hate to break it to you but every good team you see is not breaking the bank. Many actually are managing their roster, getting packs with achievements, and selling cards that they do not want to have PP to buy more cards and do it all over again. My second team has zero money spent and made it to the conference finals losing 4 games to two then. So close to the WS and totally free to play. Of course I play with a my cup is half full attitude

sharknut · 12-10-2018, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kushiel

I hate to break it to you but every good team you see is not breaking the bank. Many actually are managing their roster, getting packs with achievements, and selling cards that they do not want to have PP to buy more cards and do it all over again. My second team has zero money spent and made it to the conference finals losing 4 games to two then. So close to the WS and totally free to play. Of course I play with a my cup is half full attitude

I spent nothing and was able to beat the stacked team twice in the playoffs, which was more than any of the other stacked teams could do.

Dude has 8 golds, 15 diamonds and the rest are perfect. He's 7-0 and 1st in EVERY category in the league.

That's not fun.

Kushiel · 12-10-2018, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Asov

So no one should complain about PTW games.

Complain all you want

It does not offend me. I just have a different opinion that I do not mind sharing. When I agree with what you say I will post that too as I have many times with different folks.

My dear ol' deceased Pappy always taught me that " When two people agree on everything, one of them is lying."

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12-10-2018, 02:41 PM	#549
whobob Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 85	It seems to me that buying packs takes PP out of the marketplace. You can spend 1,000-ish to get a gold card in the AH, or you can buy a pack. Most of the time that I buy a pack, those 1,000 PP are just gone-- vaporized into 50 PP that I'd get from quick selling whatever worthless cards I just got.