2024 NFL Season thread

[Amazin69]

I'm all in favor of Dallas hiring Deion, and not only because we're currently down to 3 black coaches (Tomlin, DaMeco, Raheem Morris) in a 53% black League. Whatever else you can say about Coach Prime, he won't be intimidated by Jerry Jones, which has to be half the battle in that circus. JMO.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I think w/Andy Reid you have to look @ McNabb, Vick, Alex Smith as well as Mahomes & conclude he knows how to gameplan. Give him a decent Qb he'll get you in the playoffs. Give him a great one he'll get you to the SB. I think the Seans McVay & Peyton are pretty good too. Shanahan & Mike McDaniel I need to see in more scenarios before I can pass a verdict.

Agreed. I do question Peyton. I've seen him do McCarthy like head scratchers on multiple occasions.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

I'm all in favor of Dallas hiring Deion, and not only because we're currently down to 3 black coaches (Tomlin, DaMeco, Raheem Morris) in a 53% black League. Whatever else you can say about Coach Prime, he won't be intimidated by Jerry Jones, which has to be half the battle in that circus. JMO.

Jimmy Johnson wasn't intimidated by Jerry Jones. For all the good it did him. The only reason Deion would take this job would be for the prestige being the Cowboys head coach would bring. For Jerry the hype it would bring. But if Deion wants to win a championship, Dallas isn't the place. That's not going to happen with Jerry as GM and their SOP. No coach can win here now.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

I'm all in favor of Dallas hiring Deion, and not only because we're currently down to 3 black coaches (Tomlin, DaMeco, Raheem Morris) in a 53% black League. Whatever else you can say about Coach Prime, he won't be intimidated by Jerry Jones, which has to be half the battle in that circus. JMO.

JJ wasn't intimidated. Parcells wasn't intimidated. The problem isn't Jones being a bully. The problem is he pays the bills that give him the right to do what he wants. That's not being a bully to me. That is exercising his prerogative as an owner. No one should become Cowboys HC w/the idea of being in any way, shape or form "in charge". You take the job for the paycheck & the bull's eye.

[Amazin69]

Every owner pays the bills; that's rather the definition of the postion.

The difference is that most owners let football people handle the football end of things. Jerry World has always had more Jerry than it needed, IMO. Johnson pushed back and won. Parcells pushed back and did better than the talent he inherited merited.

On the other hand, Mike McCarthy got pushed around and around…perhaps all the way to Chicago. I have hopes ("hopes for high performance", that is; it's not as if I actually want the Cowboys to win games, of course) that Deion would be more in the former group than the latter.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

I'm all in favor of Dallas hiring Deion, and not only because we're currently down to 3 black coaches (Tomlin, DaMeco, Raheem Morris) in a 53% black League. Whatever else you can say about Coach Prime, he won't be intimidated by Jerry Jones, which has to be half the battle in that circus. JMO.

I am not a big fan of Deion the person. The braggadocio, the flash, the fourteen nicknames.

He HAS had some success in motivating players to play above their talent. This is a positive.

But...the rah rah bull stuff isn't going to work with an NFL veteran, that knows his job. I just do not see him able to bring his shiny clown shoes into a professional locker room and be successful. YMMV, IMHO, and all that.

[pilight]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

I'm all in favor of Dallas hiring Deion, and not only because we're currently down to 3 black coaches (Tomlin, DaMeco, Raheem Morris) in a 53% black League. Whatever else you can say about Coach Prime, he won't be intimidated by Jerry Jones, which has to be half the battle in that circus. JMO.

Jerry Jones isn't going to hire a black coach. He's had eight head coaches in his time in Dallas, all lily-white.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

Every owner pays the bills; that's rather the definition of the postion.

The difference is that most owners let football people handle the football end of things. Jerry World has always had more Jerry than it needed, IMO. Johnson pushed back and won. Parcells pushed back and did better than the talent he inherited merited.

On the other hand, Mike McCarthy got pushed around and around…perhaps all the way to Chicago. I have hopes ("hopes for high performance", that is; it's not as if I actually want the Cowboys to win games, of course) that Deion would be more in the former group than the latter.

Agreed. But think about the irony of us being on a forum for a game that allows the buyer @ $50 to take over an entire sport & micromanage it to our hearts content for more than a century and we are criticizing a man for being hands on for one franchise he paid hundreds of millions for.

Yeah I think Jerry Jones is the Cowboys biggest problem. But if anyone could understand why he continues to do what he does, it should be us.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

Every owner pays the bills; that's rather the definition of the postion.

The difference is that most owners let football people handle the football end of things. Jerry World has always had more Jerry than it needed, IMO. Johnson pushed back and won. Parcells pushed back and did better than the talent he inherited merited.

On the other hand, Mike McCarthy got pushed around and around…perhaps all the way to Chicago. I have hopes ("hopes for high performance", that is; it's not as if I actually want the Cowboys to win games, of course) that Deion would be more in the former group than the latter.

What did Johnson win? He got canned. Jerry was different back then anyway. When he bought the team he had an agreement with Johnson. Johnson would handle all things football related, and Jerry would handle the financials. Pretty much the same situation Tom Landry had with whoever the owner of the Cowboys was back then. Then they got into a media pissing match and Jimmy lost.

Jerry also gave some control to Bill Parcells over player acquisition. Jerry does it all himself now. Even though Parcells was gone, that 2007 team was the team he built, not Jerry. Everything went downhill from there. In 2013 they installed their new team building philosophy. It remains in place.

[Ragnar]

I think Deion is going to pull an Eli manning/John Elway with his son. I doubt he lets him play for Tennessee or Cleveland. Probably push him to the Giants. Then possibly take that head coaching job when they fire Daboll next year.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by pilight

Jerry Jones isn't going to hire a black coach. He's had eight head coaches in his time in Dallas, all lily-white.

Agreed. But Deion isn't just any black coach. He would bring to the Cowboys what Jerry desires most. All eyes on the Cowboys. I'm just not sure Deion would want to coach the Cowboys if Jerry is pulling all of the strings.

[Cobra Mgr]

I really don't see Deion leaving for the NFL. What he brings to the table I don't think translates to adult professionals.

Right now has never been a more perfect time & Boulder has never been a more perfect situation for a Deion Sanders to become the first black coaching giant in football.

1. His documentaries & talk show means exposure for his program & his players. Which means NIL dollars for his superstars. (How much is it worth Beats by Dre to have their headsets on every noggin when the camera gets some locker room shots? How much is it worth to a car company to have the team star drive into the facility in their latest model?)

2. Colorado @ Boulder does not have the sense of entitlement other programs have. They are just happy someone notices them.

3. The closest big programs he has to fight for recruits are west in Cali, north in Boise & the south in Texas. There is a lot of overlooked talent in those states for whom Colorado will be their biggest offer.

4. There is no alpha in the Big 12ish. No Ohio State to overcome. No Bama or Georgia to compete with. No Clemson to overthrow. He doesn't have a lot of deep pocket programs he has to catch up with.

5. His persona as a black man who fights back against his detractors (whether justified or closeted racism) is tailor made for young teens of color looking for a strong father figure they can emulate. His smiling "me against the world" attitude s infectious.

6. Mark Schlereth yesterday on the radio gave Deion the best compliment I think he could ever receive. He said he wanted Deion to stay in college cause he was the type of coach he wanted his sons to play for. Someone who makes his kids go to class, discipline in routine & habits & teaches what the pros are about. That is a football lifer saying he wanted Deion in charge of his boys. That says tons about how he is viewed in football circles.

If Sanders can show he can win 9 games w/o his son & Hunter, he will prove his chops as a coach. And from that point.........? Like he said, get him now.

[CONN CHRIS]

Great points about the situation he has in Boulder. I agree though I do wish I could see him in Dallas.

For those whom Sanders rubs the wrong way, go read one of the legions of stories out there about what he has meant in speaking into the lives of some of these young men who play for him.

[dsvitak]

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[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

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Great post!!

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Great post!!

It was gonna get me in trouble. Heh heh.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

It was gonna get me in trouble. Heh heh.

I figured. You weren't going to say something bad about Jerry Jones, were you? His Cowboys now own the longest drought on getting back to the NFC championship game.

Any coach going to the Cowboys has to know the commitment to roster building does not justify the unrealistic expectations. With dumb comments like, we have to do more with less. That's something you tell your store manager after cutting employees, not your head coach.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I figured. You weren't going to say something bad about Jerry Jones, were you? His Cowboys now own the longest drought on getting back to the NFC championship game.

Any coach going to the Cowboys has to know the commitment to roster building does not justify the unrealistic expectations. With dumb comments like, we have to do more with less. That's something you tell your store manager after cutting employees, not your head coach.

I think we have all worked with bad bosses before. All you can do is to keep your head down, and do the best you can.

It was difficult for me, being in the military for 20+ years. Bad bosses were everywhere, and there wasn't f*ck all you could do about it.

[Ragnar]

Did anyone catch what Fox did at the end of the game between Washington and Detroit?

They showed the last time Washington was in the NFC championship game. It happened to be against Detroit back in the 1991 season. They put the score up too. Except they used the Commanders logo.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

I think we have all worked with bad bosses before. All you can do is to keep your head down, and do the best you can.

It was difficult for me, being in the military for 20+ years. Bad bosses were everywhere, and there wasn't f*ck all you could do about it.

The worst bosses are the ones that think they are the smartest person in the room when they clearly are not. But I was lucky, I could just transfer.

NFL coaches also have a choice. A young coordinator looking to make a name for himself should not go to the Cowboys. He won't succeed, and he may never get another opportunity. The Cowboys coaching job is built for a retread like McCarthy. He had nothing to lose.