Seattle sports thread

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

Good answer and I hope you are right. This pitching staff has already proven that they can carry this team but how long can they carry this hitless burden.

A 2-1 win is just as good as a 7-6 win.

[Mariner and Giants Fan]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

A 2-1 win is just as good as a 7-6 win.

True but it is also true that high leverage pitching burns your rotation out. Also run differential is a tell of how the team is performing and will perform.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

True but it is also true that high leverage pitching burns your rotation out. Also run differential is a tell of how the team is performing and will perform.

Well, there is only a +3 difference between the M's and the "high offense" Rangers.

[Mariner and Giants Fan]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Well, there is only a +3 difference between the M's and the "high offense" Rangers.

There you go shooting for mediocre, 😂. How about we shoot for the Dodgers, Braves, Yankees? The Orioles did that and look where they are. Three years ago the Mariners were ahead of them but due to poor leadership and cheap owners this team aimed for the fence post while the Orioles looked up at the Moon! Sugar coat that!

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

There you go shooting for mediocre, 😂. How about we shoot for the Dodgers, Braves, Yankees? The Orioles did that and look where they are. Three years ago the Mariners were ahead of them but due to poor leadership and cheap owners this team aimed for the fence post while the Orioles looked up at the Moon! Sugar coat that!

The Orioles haven't won a series either.

[Mariner and Giants Fan]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

The Orioles haven't won a series either.

They have won multiple World Series in my lifetime. So that is not true. They also made the playoffs and won their division last year so much better than what the Mariners have accomplished.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

They have won multiple World Series in my lifetime. So that is not true. They also made the playoffs and won their division last year so much better than what the Mariners have accomplished.

Obviously the orioles have a better overall history than the mariners but the current incarnation has not won the World Series.

[Mariner and Giants Fan]

[QUOTE=monkeyman576;5104535]Obviously the orioles have a better overall history than the mariners but the current incarnation has not won the World Series.

You can say that about allot of teams, so what is your point? Should the Mariners continue to aspire to be middle of the pack, mediocre? They are the only team to never have been to a World Series which reflects their poor leadership at all levels. One of the worst franchises in sports in the past 25 years.

[monkeyman576]

[QUOTE=Mariner and Giants Fan;5104536]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Obviously the orioles have a better overall history than the mariners but the current incarnation has not won the World Series.

You can say that about allot of teams, so what is your point? Should the Mariners continue to aspire to be middle of the pack, mediocre? They are the only team to never have been to a World Series which reflects their poor leadership at all levels. One of the worst franchises in sports in the past 25 years.

The Mariners didn't tank like the orioles did. *shrug* So the orioles get the rewards of that. Not saying M's ownership hasn't been bad. Sometimes not tanking is the poorer outcome.

[Mariner and Giants Fan]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

The Mariners didn't tank like the orioles did. *shrug* So the orioles get the rewards of that.

Don't you get tired of that excuse? I know I get tired of hearing it. How about you just admit that this franchise, this century, is 30th among 30 teams in MLB and hopefully will be sold to local buyers who want to win at any cost?
I am hopeful every Spring until May and then reality dawns upon me. Can this team compete? Sure, but can they make the playoffs and be a viable World Series contender? Anyone who says yes is lying or a homer (a blind optimist). I have watched them allot this year and never witnessed such awful hitting and the defense is also suspect. You cannot win on pitching alone and that is all they currently have. I would rather they have "tanked" in 2019-2021 and be the Orioles than this mess. Leadership outright lied to the fans about going for it all with their 5-year plan. That became apparent in 2022 after making the playoffs and not following up with adding hitting that they so desperately needed. Then the foolish Dipoto comment regarding 54% showed the real mediocrity of this leadership. Even OOTP25 shows that the current Mariners as constructed will be mediocre through the multiple tries, I have attempted. I do not manage them to remain unbiased and they tank into May and the rest of the year.
I hope I am wrong and that they go onto stay competitive into late July and then add two hitters and some defense. That Brash and Santos get healthy and that they do not burn out their amazing starting pitchers. But what are the chances of that?

[monkeyman576]

[QUOTE=Mariner and Giants Fan;5104549]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Don't you get tired of that excuse? I know I get tired of hearing it. How about you just admit that this franchise, this century, is 30th among 30 teams in MLB and hopefully will be sold to local buyers who want to win at any cost?
I am hopeful every Spring until May and then reality dawns upon me. Can this team compete? Sure, but can they make the playoffs and be a viable World Series contender? Anyone who says yes is lying or a homer (a blind optimist). I have watched them allot this year and never witnessed such awful hitting and the defense is also suspect. You cannot win on pitching alone and that is all they currently have. I would rather they have "tanked" in 2019-2021 and be the Orioles than this mess. Leadership outright lied to the fans about going for it all with their 5-year plan. That became apparent in 2022 after making the playoffs and not following up with adding hitting that they so desperately needed. Then the foolish Dipoto comment regarding 54% showed the real mediocrity of this leadership. Even OOTP25 shows that the current Mariners as constructed will be mediocre through the multiple tries, I have attempted. I do not manage them to remain unbiased and they tank into May and the rest of the year.
I hope I am wrong and that they go onto stay competitive into late July and then add two hitters and some defense. That Brash and Santos get healthy and that they do not burn out their amazing starting pitchers. But what are the chances of that?

In my experience the more you get into the season the more it rewards pitching over hitting. So I think that benefits the Mariners and I think they finish 96-66 with a 6 game lead over the Rangers. They are a team built for the playoffs because of their starting pitching so I think they have the opportunity to make a run.

[Mariner and Giants Fan]

[QUOTE=monkeyman576;5104550]

Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

In my experience the more you get into the season the more it rewards pitching over hitting. So I think that benefits the Mariners and I think they finish 96-66 with a 6 game lead over the Rangers. They are a team built for the playoffs because of their starting pitching so I think they have the opportunity to make a run.

You are quite the optimist. Would you care to place a wager on that prediction? I will even give you odds. This area, Western Washington would be shocked and you could not find an expert who would even predict 90 wins as of today.

[monkeyman576]

[QUOTE=Mariner and Giants Fan;5104561]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

You are quite the optimist. Would you care to place a wager on that prediction? I will even give you odds. This area, Western Washington would be shocked and you could not find an expert who would even predict 90 wins as of today.

I doubt that. Not with the weak division we have this year.

[Mariner and Giants Fan]

[QUOTE=monkeyman576;5104562]

Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

I doubt that. Not with the weak division we have this year.

Will not matter what with the balanced schedule. They may win the West and they may not but win 96 games, not going to happen. This is not 2001

[monkeyman576]

[QUOTE=Mariner and Giants Fan;5104571]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Will not matter what with the balanced schedule. They may win the West and they may not but win 96 games, not going to happen. This is not 2001

No 2001 was 116 games. 96 is reasonable.

[Mariner and Giants Fan]

[QUOTE=monkeyman576;5104575]

Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

No 2001 was 116 games. 96 is reasonable.

That was sarcasm, you get that right? I look forward to telling you how poorly your opinion aged as they come in at 87 wins. of course then you will respond that it was only 9 games off so what's the point...
Hey FWIW I hope you are right.
Perhaps I will continue to run simulations in OOTP until they win 96

[monkeyman576]

[QUOTE=Mariner and Giants Fan;5104589]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

That was sarcasm, you get that right? I look forward to telling you how poorly your opinion aged as they come in at 87 wins. of course then you will respond that it was only 9 games off so what's the point...
Hey FWIW I hope you are right.
Perhaps I will continue to run simulations in OOTP until they win 96

If the starting 6 stay relatively healthy I think we have a good chance to get there. There are just lots of bad teams in the AL to beat up on.

[Mariner and Giants Fan]

[QUOTE=monkeyman576;5104671]

Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

If the starting 6 stay relatively healthy I think we have a good chance to get there. There are just lots of bad teams in the AL to beat up on.

Isn't Houston supposed to be one of those bad teams

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

True but it is also true that high leverage pitching burns your rotation out. Also run differential is a tell of how the team is performing and will perform.

Billy Martin never had a team that didn't lead the league in complete games by their pitchers.

Billy was also known for ruining a staff through overuse, then moving on to his next victims (team).

[Mariner and Giants Fan]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

Billy Martin never had a team that didn't lead the league in complete games by their pitchers.

Billy was also known for ruining a staff through overuse, then moving on to his next victims (team).

Not certain what Billy Martin's coaching style in an entirely different generation has to do with this but ok, thanks?