WC 2006 Official Thread - Page 269

redmarkYankees · 06-19-2006, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

The commentators are just mentioning Togo that they may not turn up tomorrow against Switzerland because of money, simply put imo they should be thrown out of the World Cup and all their players banned from ever competing in another World Cup. When you represent your country you should do it for free, were would we be if all the soldiers who have ever fought for our freedom had turned round and said were not fighting anymore unless we get paid more. Far as I'm concerned I hope Togo turn up and Switzerland slaughter them about 7-0 and France do the same when they play them, Togo = greedy scum.

Wow. Easy for you to say, of course, not actually being from Togo, one of the poorest countries on earth. Presumably the Togo football authorities have got a fair amount of money from World Cup qualification - who's to say the players - who got them there - shouldn't get a big pay day, rather than officials pocketing it? BTW, apart from being utterly irrelevant, soldiers have frequently mutinied or deserted over pay and conditions throughout history.

Muppetus Galacticus · 06-19-2006, 06:50 AM

How many players wouldn't be at the WC if they weren't getting paid? Lets be honest, there would be some and that's really sad.

Treches · 06-19-2006, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Muppetus Galacticus

How many players wouldn't be at the WC if they weren't getting paid? Lets be honest, there would be some and that's really sad.

I doubt there's even one. Have in mind that the WC is tops, meaning that a good performance here equals to big money (contract, transfer and whatnot). And money is tops for those fellas. I'd say that most of them would even pay just to be there... and cash in later on.

redmarkYankees · 06-19-2006, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Treches

I doubt there's even one. Have in mind that the WC is tops, meaning that a good performance here equals to big money (contract, transfer and whatnot). And money is tops for those fellas. I'd say that most of them would even pay just to be there... and cash in later on.

You'd think, but there's plenty of history of players arguing over World Cup or other tournament bonuses. The Dutch used to have a dispute every time, Australia threatended to boycott the 97 Confederations Cup, etc. England players don't remotely need the money and will always say "we'd play for nothing". They never actually do though. It would be easy and painless for the England team to declare it was giving it's appearance money to charity; it's a drop in the ocean compared to their club and sponsorship deals (though still £300k per player bonus if they win, on top of standard payments).

Eumel · 06-19-2006, 07:58 AM

FWIW, the sum of 50000 Euros per player has finally been paid, less than half of what the federation promised to pay for qualifying. The strike seems to have ended.

I can understand the players to some degree, as most of the money (talking millions here) that the Togloese federation received is probably in the pockets of the Federation president Rock Gnassingbe (brother of the country's dictator) or the seemingly disinterested general secretary Assogbavi. That guy seemed even unwilling to negotiate on the issue, leading to the first strike before the world cup -- on top of that he also called the coach Pfister a drunkard. Seems like a power struggle is taking place in the federation with the player caught inbetween. Gnassinbe likes the coach, Assogbavi hates him -- not the best basis for a good tournament.

In the light of that, this seems the only chance for the player to even see a penny is at the World Cup -- or at least drag the corrupt administration in Togloese football out in the open. If they hadn't received their bonuses during the World Cup, then they probably would never have seen a penny. Also, don't forget that apart from Adebayor and a few others, most of these guys are actually amateurs. 50000 is a measly sum in pro sports, but not for them.

Another tidbit of administration incompetence:
Togolese player Karim Guede who was suffering from back problems proclaimed a few days ago that he's recovered and ready to play for Togo. Only then he was told that he had not been nominated for the 23-man squad. As it looked like he might not recover in time, they choose another player to replace him. Only that no one ever told Guede....

redmarkYankees · 06-19-2006, 07:59 AM

dola

I don't think it's really sad, though. It's a short career, etc etc, and I don't regard football money as "real" money. I don't really care what they get paid (I think they should get taxed more of it in the UK, but that's a general political point). To call relatively poor lower-division Togoese players "greedy scum" for demanding significant bonuses is ridiculous, though.

canadiancreed · 06-19-2006, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Your dad is right.

Gyan and Muntari are suspended for the USA game for picking up two yellow cards.

Gotta hate when the old man is right

canadiancreed · 06-19-2006, 08:27 AM

man that Togo team is a mess. Probably wont' help their chances at all.

Sdpm100 · 06-19-2006, 08:37 AM

redmarkYankees and Eumel have hit the nail on the head.

The majority of the African continent is full of corruption at the highest level, and as seen by the Zimbabwean cricket debacle and now this Togo dispute, until that corruption is tackled, African sport will never be able to move forward.
How can they when most of the money they gain isn't put back into the sport, but is being taken away to line the pockets of the powerful people at the top?

Chisanga · 06-19-2006, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

redmarkYankees and Eumel have hit the nail on the head.

The majority of the African continent is full of corruption at the highest level, and as seen by the Zimbabwean cricket debacle and now this Togo dispute, until that corruption is tackled, African sport will never be able to move forward.
How can they when most of the money they gain isn't put back into the sport, but is being taken away to line the pockets of the powerful people at the top?

I think the same can be said for most aspects of African society.

P.S. FREEEDDOOMMM!!!!

Sdpm100 · 06-19-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chisanga

I think the same can be said for most aspects of African society.

That's what I meant in the first line - but yet again I didn't make it clear enough for anybody to know. I should keep my mouth shut next time...

Can I just say if you want to laugh at me even more, I'm not particularly happy today as the damn DVD recorder decided it would screw-up and not record Sunday Night Baseball last night.

Chisanga · 06-19-2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

That's what I meant in the first line - but yet again I didn't make it clear enough for anybody to know. I should keep my mouth shut next time...

Can I just say if you want to laugh at me even more, I'm not particularly happy today as the damn DVD recorder decided it would screw-up and not record Sunday Night Baseball last night.

Chill dude

Sucks that the baseball didn't record. Maybe you could invest in MLB.tv?

Sdpm100 · 06-19-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chisanga

Chill dude

Sucks that the baseball didn't record. Maybe you could invest in MLB.tv?

I see enough games with NASN and Five, and with all the other sports that I watch, I just wouldn't get enough time to watch enough to justify it.

And I don't support any team to justify it either - although I guess what that also means is that I don't really have any right to talk about the sport either.

Chisanga · 06-19-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

And I don't support any team to justify it either - although I guess what that also means is that I don't really have any right to talk about the sport either.

You don't need to support a team to enjoy a sport. Probably gives you a better perspective to comment on some issues when you don't have a bias towards or against certain teams.

Sdpm100 · 06-19-2006, 09:45 AM

Looks like for the first time at this World Cup we are going to have a wet weather encounter to open up proceedings today.

Game 30: Group G, Togo (0-1-0, 1-2, 0 pts.) vs. Switzerland (0-0-1, 0-0, 1 pt.) (Signal Iduna Park, Dortmund)
Togo

* 16 K Agassa
* 02 D Nibombe
* 05 M Tchangai
* 23 A Toure
* 08 K Agboh
* 09 T Dossevi
* 10 M Cherif-Toure
* 15 A Romao
* 13 R Forson
* 04 E Adebayor
* 17 K Mohamed

Switzerland

* 01 P Zuberbuhler
* 20 P Muller
* 23 P Degen
* 04 P Senderos
* 03 L Magnin
* 16 T Barnetta
* 06 J Vogel
* 08 R Wicky
* 07 R Cabanas
* 09 A Frei
* 10 D Gygax

Ref: Carlos Amarilla

Chisanga · 06-19-2006, 09:46 AM

Switzerland to win by 1

Sdpm100 · 06-19-2006, 10:01 AM

I don't think theasfl will be around for this one.

bababui · 06-19-2006, 10:03 AM

Switzerland TOGO to next round today

bababui · 06-19-2006, 10:16 AM

I wish you guys wouldnt be so chatty

Chisanga · 06-19-2006, 10:16 AM

Goooalll!

06-19-2006, 07:58 AM	#5365
Eumel Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 499	FWIW, the sum of 50000 Euros per player has finally been paid, less than half of what the federation promised to pay for qualifying. The strike seems to have ended. I can understand the players to some degree, as most of the money (talking millions here) that the Togloese federation received is probably in the pockets of the Federation president Rock Gnassingbe (brother of the country's dictator) or the seemingly disinterested general secretary Assogbavi. That guy seemed even unwilling to negotiate on the issue, leading to the first strike before the world cup -- on top of that he also called the coach Pfister a drunkard. Seems like a power struggle is taking place in the federation with the player caught inbetween. Gnassinbe likes the coach, Assogbavi hates him -- not the best basis for a good tournament. In the light of that, this seems the only chance for the player to even see a penny is at the World Cup -- or at least drag the corrupt administration in Togloese football out in the open. If they hadn't received their bonuses during the World Cup, then they probably would never have seen a penny. Also, don't forget that apart from Adebayor and a few others, most of these guys are actually amateurs. 50000 is a measly sum in pro sports, but not for them. Another tidbit of administration incompetence: Togolese player Karim Guede who was suffering from back problems proclaimed a few days ago that he's recovered and ready to play for Togo. Only then he was told that he had not been nominated for the 23-man squad. As it looked like he might not recover in time, they choose another player to replace him. Only that no one ever told Guede.... Last edited by Eumel; 06-19-2006 at 08:01 AM.

06-19-2006, 07:59 AM	#5366
redmarkYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,283	dola I don't think it's really sad, though. It's a short career, etc etc, and I don't regard football money as "real" money. I don't really care what they get paid (I think they should get taxed more of it in the UK, but that's a general political point). To call relatively poor lower-division Togoese players "greedy scum" for demanding significant bonuses is ridiculous, though. __________________ In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. George Orwell

06-19-2006, 08:27 AM	#5368
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	man that Togo team is a mess. Probably wont' help their chances at all. __________________ PT21 PT22

06-19-2006, 08:37 AM	#5369
Sdpm100 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheltenham, England Posts: 7,644	redmarkYankees and Eumel have hit the nail on the head. The majority of the African continent is full of corruption at the highest level, and as seen by the Zimbabwean cricket debacle and now this Togo dispute, until that corruption is tackled, African sport will never be able to move forward. How can they when most of the money they gain isn't put back into the sport, but is being taken away to line the pockets of the powerful people at the top? Last edited by Sdpm100; 06-19-2006 at 08:42 AM.

06-19-2006, 09:46 AM	#5376
Chisanga Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 2,404	Switzerland to win by 1 __________________ "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."

06-19-2006, 09:45 AM	#5375
Sdpm100 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheltenham, England Posts: 7,644	Looks like for the first time at this World Cup we are going to have a wet weather encounter to open up proceedings today. Game 30: Group G, Togo (0-1-0, 1-2, 0 pts.) vs. Switzerland (0-0-1, 0-0, 1 pt.) (Signal Iduna Park, Dortmund) Togo * 16 K Agassa * 02 D Nibombe * 05 M Tchangai * 23 A Toure * 08 K Agboh * 09 T Dossevi * 10 M Cherif-Toure * 15 A Romao * 13 R Forson * 04 E Adebayor * 17 K Mohamed Switzerland * 01 P Zuberbuhler * 20 P Muller * 23 P Degen * 04 P Senderos * 03 L Magnin * 16 T Barnetta * 06 J Vogel * 08 R Wicky * 07 R Cabanas * 09 A Frei * 10 D Gygax Ref: Carlos Amarilla

06-19-2006, 10:01 AM	#5377
Sdpm100 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheltenham, England Posts: 7,644	I don't think theasfl will be around for this one. Last edited by Sdpm100; 06-19-2006 at 10:06 AM.

06-19-2006, 10:03 AM	#5378
bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Switzerland TOGO to next round today

06-19-2006, 10:16 AM	#5379
bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I wish you guys wouldnt be so chatty

06-19-2006, 10:16 AM	#5380
Chisanga Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 2,404	Goooalll! __________________ "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."