Competitive balance discussion - Page 26

JasonC23 · 12-03-2018, 07:11 PM

After reading through this whole fascinating thread, I felt compelled to add that in my league, the first 2 players of the week were...Craig Grebeck (67) and Jean Segura (75). And the second week, the players of the week were...Yulieski Gurriel (66) and Ryan Zimmerman (69).

Carry on.

NYY #23 · 12-03-2018, 07:36 PM

You go to work and you miss a lot. Come to find out I'm in the same league as FireAnty, thrownoutathome, and spleen. Good luck to all. Fire Anty looks like he has a great team, so I look forward to the challenge. I'm sure I spent more than most ($40), but just feel compelled to say there is no way you need $200 to field a competitive team.

And I also like Kushiel's idea of flagging when position players pitch, and I'm still in the camp of rewards don't need to be scaled.

uvm87 · 12-06-2018, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Zephaerus

What got me into it was seeing posts about teams made entirely out of Phil Cokes and Bartolo Colons.

For anyone who does not know what he is referring to, read this and enjoy. You will be hard-pressed to find a funnier article showing some of the crazy and fun things that can be done with OOTP. The author has run several experimental leagues and all are done with as much humor as baseball analysis. If you're not laughing out loud, you must be dead inside.

https://msabr.com/2017/03/25/philade...cokes-in-ootp/

As much as I enjoy the idea of experimentation with this game, I think it should be left to personal OOTP users and not set loose on the rest of an unsuspecting community like a bull in a china shop.

ThrownOutAtHome · 12-06-2018, 10:43 AM

OK I feel like a fool after reading of how this bronze league is now and how we will be seeded in the future. Actually I am a fool and apologize. I was on the youtube videos and it appeared to me from what an OOTP dev said that we would be seeded based on the entry games. After reading everything here I was completely wrong. I was just so upset after seeing Fire Antys team. His reserves are higher then anyones starters and it would cost tons of rl cash to compete. I really just enjoy this game so much and made a mistake.
I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE FOR ACTING LIKE A JERKOFF.
I just wan't to be able to compete with a reasonable amount of investment in the future.

Kushiel · 12-06-2018, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ThrownOutAtHome

OK I feel like a fool after reading of how this bronze league is now and how we will be seeded in the future. Actually I am a fool and apologize. I was on the youtube videos and it appeared to me from what an OOTP dev said that we would be seeded based on the entry games. After reading everything here I was completely wrong. I was just so upset after seeing Fire Antys team. His reserves are higher then anyones starters and it would cost tons of rl cash to compete. I really just enjoy this game so much and made a mistake.
I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE FOR ACTING LIKE A JERKOFF.
I just wan't to be able to compete with a reasonable amount of investment in the future.

As you have seen when you actually read the book and not judge by its cover so to speak , you will be able to compete

Have fun! Good luck!

Remember, its only a game

Maddox · 12-06-2018, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ThrownOutAtHome

OK I feel like a fool after reading of how this bronze league is now and how we will be seeded in the future. Actually I am a fool and apologize. I was on the youtube videos and it appeared to me from what an OOTP dev said that we would be seeded based on the entry games. After reading everything here I was completely wrong. I was just so upset after seeing Fire Antys team. His reserves are higher then anyones starters and it would cost tons of rl cash to compete. I really just enjoy this game so much and made a mistake.
I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE FOR ACTING LIKE A JERKOFF.
I just wan't to be able to compete with a reasonable amount of investment in the future.

Kudos on your willingness to take the time and make an effort to read other viewpoints and re-evaluate your position. It will probably take a month or so for everything to start balancing out but it should happen eventually.

Good luck with your team.

Déjà Bru · 12-07-2018, 08:51 PM

Uh, hello. Pardon me but is this the thread where one may air a bit of frustration with certain competitive balance situations without risking thread lock?

Such as, it's August 24th. One fellow in our league has already won 104 games, has a .819 winning percentage, and leads his division by 31 1/2 games.

A week before September even begins.

2 perfects, 13 diamonds, the rest golds. Now, set aside the amount of money he must have spent so far. Do you think he's still having FUN at this point?

I will wave bye-bye to this guy as he ascends into the stratosphere (promotion/relegation is the saving grace of PT). It will be interesting to watch if he gets derailed in the playoffs, though.

Kushiel · 12-07-2018, 09:28 PM

We have a guy leading his division by 33 games too. I promise he would not be if he were in the other conference with some of us that are beating up on each other. Maybe he just got lucky and sold some nice cards. I sold Chris Sale today that I got out of a pack last week. Yesterday I sold a Gary Carter catcher 93 OVR for 66k because he is not enough better offensively to start over my Mike Lieberthal 85 OVR. catcher. I knew people would buy the Carter card because it was nice and had a big name

Déjà Bru · 12-08-2018, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Kushiel

We have a guy leading his division by 33 games too. I promise he would not be if he were in the other conference with some of us that are beating up on each other. Maybe he just got lucky and sold some nice cards. I sold Chris Sale today that I got out of a pack last week. Yesterday I sold a Gary Carter catcher 93 OVR for 66k because he is not enough better offensively to start over my Mike Lieberthal 85 OVR. catcher. I knew people would buy the Carter card because it was nice and had a big name

Thanks for the reassurance or, "misery loves company." I am looking for some stability in this game in the future, though. I am sure that there will be such "high rollers" passing through the lower levels from time to time but I hope it does not get to be routine.

Zorro · 12-08-2018, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Uh, hello. Pardon me but is this the thread where one may air a bit of frustration with certain competitive balance situations without risking thread lock?

Such as, it's August 24th. One fellow in our league has already won 104 games, has a .819 winning percentage, and leads his division by 31 1/2 games.

A week before September even begins.

2 perfects, 13 diamonds, the rest golds. Now, set aside the amount of money he must have spent so far. Do you think he's still having FUN at this point?

I will wave bye-bye to this guy as he ascends into the stratosphere (promotion/relegation is the saving grace of PT). It will be interesting to watch if he gets derailed in the playoffs, though.

I say hats off to him for building a Dynasty of sorts. I seen so much happen in the beta that the better team on paper does not always do well in the playoffs. He is the team to beat because he took the time or spent the money to get there. I look at the season as just a way to get into the playoffs where the REAL season starts. The Ring is the real goal and I have seen you play and in a 4 game series anything can happen. Remember the Monks my friend?

Zorro · 12-08-2018, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kushiel

We have a guy leading his division by 33 games too. I promise he would not be if he were in the other conference with some of us that are beating up on each other. Maybe he just got lucky and sold some nice cards. I sold Chris Sale today that I got out of a pack last week. Yesterday I sold a Gary Carter catcher 93 OVR for 66k because he is not enough better offensively to start over my Mike Lieberthal 85 OVR. catcher. I knew people would buy the Carter card because it was nice and had a big name

You will hold your own in any league my friend.

Déjà Bru · 12-09-2018, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Uh, hello. Pardon me but is this the thread where one may air a bit of frustration with certain competitive balance situations without risking thread lock?

Such as, it's August 24th. One fellow in our league has already won 104 games, has a .819 winning percentage, and leads his division by 31 1/2 games.

A week before September even begins.

2 perfects, 13 diamonds, the rest golds. Now, set aside the amount of money he must have spent so far. Do you think he's still having FUN at this point?

I will wave bye-bye to this guy as he ascends into the stratosphere (promotion/relegation is the saving grace of PT). It will be interesting to watch if he gets derailed in the playoffs, though.

So the guy that I was talking about ends up with 129 wins, nearly a .800 winning percentage, and a 40-game lead on the runner-up.

And he gets SWEPT in four games in the Sub-League Series by a team who would only be 30 games back if there were in the same division!

I don't want to go on about this nor do I want to name names as I don't want to appear to be gloating. I will repeat, though, "Do you think he's still having FUN at this point?

"

And I will say thank goodness once again for OOTPD and the way they have worked the reality of baseball into their game, including the way life has of kicking folks in the teeth at times.

Fireanty · 12-09-2018, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NYY #23

You go to work and you miss a lot. Come to find out I'm in the same league as FireAnty, thrownoutathome, and spleen. Good luck to all. Fire Anty looks like he has a great team, so I look forward to the challenge. I'm sure I spent more than most ($40), but just feel compelled to say there is no way you need $200 to field a competitive team.

And I also like Kushiel's idea of flagging when position players pitch, and I'm still in the camp of rewards don't need to be scaled.

I am not spleen, I think I'm cute and kind, lol

NYY #23 · 12-09-2018, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fireanty

I am not spleen, I think I'm cute and kind, lol

LOL - maybe I shouldn't admit this, but since I'm out I'm pulling for you to win it all. You really do have an impressive, deep team.

ASURay · 12-09-2018, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NYY #23

LOL - maybe I shouldn't admit this, but since I'm out I'm pulling for you to win it all. You really do have an impressive, deep team.

I want to see this team. Can we not see teams in other leagues?

ASURay · 12-09-2018, 10:35 PM

FWIW, I have spent $20 so far. My current team has 3 perfect/9 diamond/12 gold/1 silver. My average ratings for my lineup, rotation, and bullpen are 94.5, 92.2, and 85.6. I won 114 games this year but could've won more had I not played 3-4 players out of position all year in order to add positional flexibility. There were two teams better than me. One won 118 games and is a legit powerhouse. Lineup/rotation are all perfect/diamond including a lot of rare historical cards. The "best" team won 122 games but is prb a bit worse than my team overall. Both I and the 122-win team lost in the first round of the playoffs (both in 4 games) to teams whose best cards were probably on par with our worst cards. The 118-win team went to 5 games in R1 but has steamrolled through everyone since. I think the OVR ratings overstate the difference in quality between good lesser cards (high bronze/low silver, for example) and the diamond/perfect cards.

lgfrench · 12-09-2018, 10:51 PM

list it in the standings, wtf is gonna waste money to win a game where there is no prize money. this game would be great if this cash extraction feature was removed

NYY #23 · 12-09-2018, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ASURay

I want to see this team. Can we not see teams in other leagues?

I don't think you can see teams in other leagues yet. Here is a glimpse:

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It really is an impressive roster, I know his B team is better than mine. I don't have a problem with it, but this is baseball too. In the Division Series he went up against a 79 win team, who he beat 15 of 19 times during the regular season, and got taken to five games.

That's the David vs. Goliath part of this that can be fun. The best team doesn't always win, that's why they play the games.

DonkeyKongSr · 12-09-2018, 11:37 PM

I hope you didn't pay any money to buy the game, because there is no prize money for playing it.

Germaniac · 12-10-2018, 12:13 AM

We probably had this discussion a thousand times since beta ...

Everybody has the right to spend as much as he wants on PT.

12-07-2018, 08:51 PM	#507
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,741	Uh, hello. Pardon me but is this the thread where one may air a bit of frustration with certain competitive balance situations without risking thread lock? Such as, it's August 24th. One fellow in our league has already won 104 games, has a .819 winning percentage, and leads his division by 31 1/2 games. A week before September even begins. 2 perfects, 13 diamonds, the rest golds. Now, set aside the amount of money he must have spent so far. Do you think he's still having FUN at this point? I will wave bye-bye to this guy as he ascends into the stratosphere (promotion/relegation is the saving grace of PT). It will be interesting to watch if he gets derailed in the playoffs, though. __________________ - Bru

12-07-2018, 09:28 PM	#508
Kushiel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas Posts: 1,810	We have a guy leading his division by 33 games too. I promise he would not be if he were in the other conference with some of us that are beating up on each other. Maybe he just got lucky and sold some nice cards. I sold Chris Sale today that I got out of a pack last week. Yesterday I sold a Gary Carter catcher 93 OVR for 66k because he is not enough better offensively to start over my Mike Lieberthal 85 OVR. catcher. I knew people would buy the Carter card because it was nice and had a big name __________________ *Favente Deo supero*

12-09-2018, 10:51 PM	#517
lgfrench Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 63	list cash dollars spent by team owners list it in the standings, wtf is gonna waste money to win a game where there is no prize money. this game would be great if this cash extraction feature was removed

12-10-2018, 12:13 AM	#520
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 3,102	We probably had this discussion a thousand times since beta ... Everybody has the right to spend as much as he wants on PT. __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

12-03-2018, 07:11 PM	#501
JasonC23 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Huntley, IL Posts: 902	After reading through this whole fascinating thread, I felt compelled to add that in my league, the first 2 players of the week were...Craig Grebeck (67) and Jean Segura (75). And the second week, the players of the week were...Yulieski Gurriel (66) and Ryan Zimmerman (69). Carry on.

12-03-2018, 07:36 PM	#502
NYY #23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 13,112	You go to work and you miss a lot. Come to find out I'm in the same league as FireAnty, thrownoutathome, and spleen. Good luck to all. Fire Anty looks like he has a great team, so I look forward to the challenge. I'm sure I spent more than most ($40), but just feel compelled to say there is no way you need $200 to field a competitive team. And I also like Kushiel's idea of flagging when position players pitch, and I'm still in the camp of rewards don't need to be scaled.

12-06-2018, 10:43 AM	#504
ThrownOutAtHome Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 242	OK I feel like a fool after reading of how this bronze league is now and how we will be seeded in the future. Actually I am a fool and apologize. I was on the youtube videos and it appeared to me from what an OOTP dev said that we would be seeded based on the entry games. After reading everything here I was completely wrong. I was just so upset after seeing Fire Antys team. His reserves are higher then anyones starters and it would cost tons of rl cash to compete. I really just enjoy this game so much and made a mistake. I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE FOR ACTING LIKE A JERKOFF. I just wan't to be able to compete with a reasonable amount of investment in the future.

12-09-2018, 10:35 PM	#516
ASURay Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: NE Posts: 212	FWIW, I have spent $20 so far. My current team has 3 perfect/9 diamond/12 gold/1 silver. My average ratings for my lineup, rotation, and bullpen are 94.5, 92.2, and 85.6. I won 114 games this year but could've won more had I not played 3-4 players out of position all year in order to add positional flexibility. There were two teams better than me. One won 118 games and is a legit powerhouse. Lineup/rotation are all perfect/diamond including a lot of rare historical cards. The "best" team won 122 games but is prb a bit worse than my team overall. Both I and the 122-win team lost in the first round of the playoffs (both in 4 games) to teams whose best cards were probably on par with our worst cards. The 118-win team went to 5 games in R1 but has steamrolled through everyone since. I think the OVR ratings overstate the difference in quality between good lesser cards (high bronze/low silver, for example) and the diamond/perfect cards.

12-09-2018, 11:37 PM	#519
DonkeyKongSr All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 777	I hope you didn't pay any money to buy the game, because there is no prize money for playing it.