OOTP goes HOCKEY!!!!

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by dave1927p

Will the players and staff have "Favourite Teams" and "Favourite Staff" .... we certainly see players go to teams they like alot, or sign with a team because they like the coach (just a small factor). I remember the times when people would take pay cuts to play for Toronto...that is long done now but that's the things i'd like to see. Players come to you (the GM) and say we'd 'like to sign for you so give me an offer.'

That would be a cool feature.

[erikthered]

Originally Posted by dave1927p

lol i did that too. Do you use the 82 game schedule? I do



Will the players and staff have "Favourite Teams" and "Favourite Staff" .... we certainly see players go to teams they like alot, or sign with a team because they like the coach (just a small factor). I remember the times when people would take pay cuts to play for Toronto...that is long done now but that's the things i'd like to see. Players come to you (the GM) and say we'd 'like to sign for you so give me an offer.'

That's a feature that the SI games have, but I'm not sure how much it really affects likelihood of signing, etc. I would like to see agents (much like FM) who approach teams. It seems like in the real world, agents (or players) approach teams sometimes to sell their player.

[zyberianwarrior]

Originally Posted by hluraven

Best news since EHM ended. I can help research the British leagues for sure.

Hate to say it but the British League is NOT that strong or popular. Got almost zero coverage tv wise this past season.

[zyberianwarrior]

Sebastian this is what I STRONGLY recommend. ALL US and Canada Leagues and these from Europe for STARTERS. KHL (MUST HAVE PERIOD) Erste Bank Eishockey Liga (Austrian very good and can easily rival KHL), and these select others...Finland - SM-liiga, Slovakia - Slovak Extraliga, Sweden - Elitserien, Czech Republic - Czech Extraliga, Germany - Deutsche Eishockey Liga. Now before others scream Britain, Italy, France etc.....Those are LOWER grade hockey leagues. EHM Shot for the moon and went everything and then some. The ones I have mentioned above are in Hockey Europe and serves as feeders to NHL and KHL in many cases or players from those leagues (Hasek, Turco and others) wind up in the Hockey Europe Leagues. Now then other facts to consider EHM had a decent following but lacked a serious marketing campaign (Markus will blame the pirates but while it hurt I would put more blame on Marketing) EA is nothing but a joystick happy eye candy game. If you build this like OOTP baseball you seriously have something. Should this game get popular then you can add more leagues but I would keep it at these 9 nations/Leagues. NHL (and all affliates) Hockey Canada (gotta have the juniors), KHL (must have too good now to leave them out), Erste Bank (easily rival KHL), Finland, Slovakia, Sweden, Czech and Germany. If time constraints are a factor then at the minimum eliminate Slovakia and Germany (max add on Czech) the others have to stay in if you are going global.

Norw one thing I did see while playing EHM was first season was fairly easy to make it into the playoffs after that FORGET IT! While I believe in hard but that was ridiculous playoffs to FIRED in second season (usually by the end of the first MONTH).

I'll keep watching this post as well and contribute when necessary if done RIGHT this can slaughter EA joystick happiness.

[zyberianwarrior]

Originally Posted by deanemj

I'm intrigued by cricket. Do you have a recommendation on where an uninitiated American like myself could educate himself on the sport?

Cricket while interesting is a VERY LONG (typically days to finish) "game" to play I have seen a few matches online and really had trouble following it. cricket will not have the following like Baseball does (even in the very popular England and its colonies, India, South America etc...) football/soccer or yes even basketball is way better to do than cricket IMO.

[zyberianwarrior]

Originally Posted by deanemj

And maybe, if I pray to the OOTP gods hard enough, a feature that performs automatic promotion and relegation at the end of a season?

I know, I know, it's too early to talk about specific features.

actually European leagues have regulation leagues and rules for said regulations. I know for a fact Finland and Swiss does not sure about powerhouses like KHL)

[zyberianwarrior]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Is NCAA college hockey going to be simulated?

I don't much care if it is researched or if it has real players. But I would think it would need to be added since it is one of the three primary areas in which junior players play before and after the draft.

I would be cool with real team names and conferences (of course no real logos) and fake players. Just placeholder type teams for junior players.

Ok there IS a problem with using NCAA they are VERY VERY picky and demand extortion tribute for allowing this. This is true for ANY game and yes while popular and is essential Canada Juniors are way better in development IMO. But yes I see it as a possibility if not first run release then down the road. But license fees are a bitch with them. If they go fictional route that's fine.

[zyberianwarrior]

Originally Posted by Malte Schwarz

A Lahman type DB would be great, but I think it's impossible to create the player ratings based on stats.
In contrast to baseball, at a hockey game the player-skills such as agility or positioning are not directly related to stats. However, a Lahman type DB can be used to import the career-stats.

Agree stats are as a general rule meaningless in hockey as far as games go. Its way more ability and skill than anything else. EHM would be a base to start with that as far as a skill class setting.

[zyberianwarrior]

Originally Posted by dave1927p

I recall you and i having this talk once before

Making money is more so a mindset for the owners in north america, yes, but i'd still like to know how much my team is losing or gaining in europe too. I'm just saying all that information would be available to the GMs in europe too. And sure maybe the owners wouldn't care as much but the info is still there - the owners just have a different mindset. Hopefully owners will be a presence in the game :P

Dave I have to correct you again on this European leagues are more SPONSOR driven than compared to the NHL (which is why you see ads all over the ice and uniforms on the players) they monetary structure is way different and most of the leagues has rules for "foreign" players as well.

[zyberianwarrior]

and sorry for jumping in so late but I only follow the boxing forum on OOTP (idiots Selig and Fehr RUINED roidball for good for me) and was just informed of this. But KHL is a MUST ADD period.

[damientheomen3]

I feel like they should do as well as they can to add a ton of European leagues, even minor ones, because sports simulations sell much, much, much better in Europe than the US. Obviously having these leagues can lead to more sales.

[zyberianwarrior]

Damien yes but NOT in a first release the ones I mentioned in Europe are VERY WELL KNOWN there is no need to shoot for the moon on the first release after all OOTP didn't start off that way in their first release.

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by zyberianwarrior

Damien yes but NOT in a first release the ones I mentioned in Europe are VERY WELL KNOWN there is no need to shoot for the moon on the first release after all OOTP didn't start off that way in their first release.

I'm 99% sure they are going to be using OOTP as a basis for this game. Thus, WTHM will be much, much, much more advanced than OOTP's first version. I'm expecting this first version to be on par with OOTP 8 or 9 (10 would be a dream come true).

[Gazzw87]

I don't like posting loads in here, I think I have twice. The game is on it's way, OOTPD has decided to grace us with a hockey sim for the future and hopefully to finish what EHM had started! I am every grateful for this, I like OOTP I bought the new one and some of the other versions but hockey is my game, so yeah thanks OOTPD!

I think people need to be abit more understanding, the game is coming, it will come how it comes so deal with that. The dev's can't give us all the in's and outs before the game has even been marketed as 'coming soon' there might be problems, and features left out of the first version but which game isn't like that? They only have X amount of time and budget to build it, release it. Once it's released we buy it, they make more money and keep it updated so I think people should calm down alittle bit.

One thing I'd agree with is the KHL probably should be included in the first release, if not oh well im sure it will follow. As for the British league and people being against it or any other 'lower grade league' It's not the stature of the league that's important.. there might be for example 100,000 Polish people wishing they had a hockey sim to play, a game is released with the Polish league and theres 100,000 sales! Not everybody just loves the NHL/Juniours and so on! Why do you think Football Manager has the India league on it? because of the potential sales!

As for iPhone/tablet/ can i play it from my microwave oven versions.. again just relax! If they want it to come it will if not play it on the PC. Majority of users who use a tablet or iphone need a pc anyway so whats the problem? Plus the iphone versions can never be as in-depth as a actual version!

As for Cricket.. watch 20/20 especially the Indian Premier League (IPL) it's the only cricket worth watch and still it takes hours to finish! Stick with Baseball!

Not a rant, and not directed at anybody individually I just hate people hating on the dev's. They're trying to make us all happy so let them and give them some love instead!

[pens66]

Originally Posted by zyberianwarrior

Sebastian this is what I STRONGLY recommend. ALL US and Canada Leagues and these from Europe for STARTERS. KHL (MUST HAVE PERIOD) Erste Bank Eishockey Liga (Austrian very good and can easily rival KHL), and these select others...

I don't know where you got that idea from, but the Austrian League never was nor will it ever be on par with the KHL (or the former Russian Superleague for that matter).

And I think people should just calm down a little. I would bet a hefty amount of money that we won't see many - if any - licensed leagues in the first iteration of this game. Not that we need them, anyway.

[Methodz]

Ok guys just take my money, but release some pics to feed off my hunger!

[Gazzw87]

Originally Posted by pens66

I don't know where you got that idea from, but the Austrian League never was nor will it ever be on par with the KHL (or the former Russian Superleague for that matter).
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Totally agree. The Austrian league is good and strong but talent and espeically financial wise it's not any 'rival' to the KHL. For instance Dinamo Riga's wage budget for last KHL season was €6m. Riga are by no means a big spending team but €6m would probably dwarf most Austrian budgets

and Methodz Im with you on that!

[dave1927p]

Originally Posted by erikthered

That's a feature that the SI games have, but I'm not sure how much it really affects likelihood of signing, etc. I would like to see agents (much like FM) who approach teams. It seems like in the real world, agents (or players) approach teams sometimes to sell their player.

So you're saying if you were a free agent you wouldn't like to play for a team that you actually like!? That's (For lack of a better word) preposterous. Sure some players will go to whoever offers them the biggest contract and term, but don't think for a second that alot of them don't consider the market and their 'needs'. Wayne Gretzky said himself he wanted to play for Toronto but unfortuately the owner was bankrupt and couldn't offer him to small amount that he asked for. Many players take discounts to play for a certain team, always have and always will.

Favourite Teams shouldn't be limited to one, nor should it be static - it should be dynamic.


Oh and it's nice to see some talk on here again

[Bruins86]

I am so excited for this, just heard about it at ehmtheblueline.com. I have been waiting for something like this for a long time now. I dont even like baseball that much but downloaded ootp 8 to see how the devs. set it up so to speak and I have to say I love the look and feel of it. Cant wait to see some screenshots and more info about it.

[Gazzw87]

Originally Posted by Bruins86

I am so excited for this, just heard about it at ehmtheblueline.com. I have been waiting for something like this for a long time now. I dont even like baseball that much but downloaded ootp 8 to see how the devs. set it up so to speak and I have to say I love the look and feel of it. Cant wait to see some screenshots and more info about it.

Take alook at some OOTP 13 screens, it looks very nice now especially when you get your logos aswell. Whatever you do, and applies to all new comers to OOTP style.. dont get overwhelmed! I almost did when I tried OOTP 8, still i bought 9, 10, 11, 12 and now 13. Just take 20 mins or so, read the manuel if need be and figure out how to work around the game. I came form EHM and Football manager as most do on the OOTP forums and complain it's 'too much' and so on. It's good theres too much!