2024 NFL Season thread

[monkeyman576]

I wish that the games that are on ESPN or FOX they would provide a streaming alternative. I have Hulu, ESPN+, Peacock, Paramount, HBO, and Amazon Prime, but it sucks that I can't watch those games or most of the bowl games.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

I wish that the games that are on ESPN or FOX they would provide a streaming alternative. I have Hulu, ESPN+, Peacock, Paramount, HBO, and Amazon Prime, but it sucks that I can't watch those games or most of the bowl games.

The ABC/ESPN game is also on ESPN+.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by thehef

The ABC/ESPN game is also on ESPN+.

Yeah but some aren't.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Yeah but some aren't.

5 of the 6 wild card games are on streaming. But I see what you mean: Bowl games, etc... Weren't most of those on ESPN and therefore on ESPN+/streaming, too?

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by thehef

5 of the 6 wild card games are on streaming. But I see what you mean: Bowl games, etc... Weren't most of those on ESPN and therefore on ESPN+/streaming, too?

Some, but there are a lot that are ESPN only.

[Amazin69]

I suppose the Bezos game is going to be on NFLN later that night. (At least the first game will be on real TV so I don't need to worry about being spoiled for that one while waitng to see Pit-BAL.) But if those idiots spoil the result on the replay I'm gonna…well, stew impotently, most likely. But I wish they wouldn't do that.

Perhaps the Rams were not afraid of getting the Vikings game because they've already beaten Minnesota on that field this season? It seems short-sighted to presume they can do that on command, but still.

Speaking of short-sighted, did New England fire Mayo because the Pats' win on Sunday cost them the #1 draft pick, or was it always planned? (If so, I wonder if Mayo went all out to win because he knew he was doomed and wanted to eff over management?)

The Colts have announced that they will be keeping Chris Ballard as GM. Because eight years of this stuff isn't enough, I suppose.

Once Nike has mutilated all the uniforms, is it over, or are they going to go back and (for example) turn Miami into toothpaste again? I'm watching SNF and both teams have their names on the unis ("Lions" and "Vikings", both in tiny type above the numbers), ffs! Guys, we know who is playing! That's what the colors and the helmets (and the scoreboard and the telecast) are for! This drives me to drink!

(Diet Coke, mostly. But even so.)

[Cobra Mgr]

Jags fire Pederson.

[Cobra Mgr]

Brian Daboll gets a 4th year. But again, Mayo is one & done.

[BaseballMan]

I think the Raiders need to move on from AP.
He now has a worse winning pctg than McDaniels.
Granted he had a ton of injuries and Getsky but he
didn't really show he learned how to be a head coach.
Even with NFL coaching Legends advising him, he still didn't
show much.
You can't really say he didn't have his guys as he either played a part in getting the people he wanted or he should have stood up as a head coach for what he wanted. Also he want more games in less time with McDaniels
team.
I think 26 games is enough to evaluate that AP isn't ready to be a head coach. But if Davis keeps him then i hope he proves me wrong.

[Cobra Mgr]

I don't think you can blame a coach if you give him retreads @ QB.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I don't think you can blame a coach if you give him retreads @ QB.

Thats no excuse.
You can't say he didn't have his people and McDaniels did.
It was on AP's watch that they got rid of Jacobs and Adams.
Why should AP get more time than McDummy?

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Thats no excuse.
You can't say he didn't have his people and McDaniels did.
It was on AP's watch that they got rid of Jacobs and Adams.
Why should AP get more time than McDummy?

Antonio Pierce makes personnel decisions?

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Antonio Pierce makes personnel decisions?

You think he has no input?
By your logic we could say the same thing for McDaniels, Dennis Allen, Lance Kiffin. Did they make personal decisions?

He got Bowers in the draft. He still had Crosby among other players.
You are acting like the cupboard was empty and he was forced to use players he didn't want.
You can give him a young Tom Brady and the Raiders would still not have more wins.
He's simply a bad head coach at this point.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Jags fire Pederson.

Who's the GM? It cracks me up. You need talent. Without talent you can't win. Fire as many head coaches as you want. No talent, no winning.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

You think he has no input?
By your logic we could say the same thing for McDaniels, Dennis Allen, Lance Kiffin. Did they make personal decisions?

He got Bowers in the draft. He still had Crosby among other players.
You are acting like the cupboard was empty and he was forced to use players he didn't want.
You can give him a young Tom Brady and the Raiders would still not have more wins.
He's simply a bad head coach at this point.

Input? Ok. Final say? Heck no. Nobody in the history of the NFL has ever said I'm making the playoffs with Minshew & O'Connell has my QB's.

[Cobra Mgr]

I was curious...............

Since Bryce Young was re-installed as starter...........197 for 319 (61.8%) 2104 yds, 15td's, 5 int's, 37 carries, 223 yds, 5 td's, 4-6 W/L

CJ Stroud in those same 10 weeks.............184 for 303 (60.7%) 2064 yds, 10 td's, 8 int's,. 29 carries, 139 yds, 0 td's, 5-5 W/L

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Input? Ok. Final say? Heck no. Nobody in the history of the NFL has ever said I'm making the playoffs with Minshew & O'Connell has my QB's.

So no team has made the playoffs with a bad qb?
Guess the 2011 Broncos with Tebow was just my imagination.
Shouldn't a good head coach being able to produce wins with what you have?
You must not have not watch many Raiders games this year if you think AP has made much progress as a head coach.
You could give AP control of every decision and the Raiders would do no better.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

So no team has made the playoffs with a bad qb?

Never said that. But it is exceedingly difficult. And it gets even harder in this day & age because of the dominance of analytics.

Guess the 2011 Broncos with Tebow was just my imagination.

A fluke & you know it. You really expect a QB throwing less than 50% is a minor hurdle? They made it cause the entire AFC West was medicore to the nth power.

Shouldn't a good head coach being able to produce wins with what you have?

No. A great one might keep a poorly manned team competitive. But expect them to approach.500?

You must not have not watch many Raiders games this year if you think AP has made much progress as a head coach.

Who wants to watch the Raiders? I suffered enough having to watch the Panthers.

You seem to be of the opinion I think Antonio Pierce is good. Never once claimed that. I'm saying you cant give chef a bunch of veggies & get mad steak ain't on your plate. Who saw Minshew & O'Connel in the QB room & thought Vegas was playoff bound????????? We all knew it would end badly. It has nothing to do w/Pierce. I looked @ Saints & said no playoff. Had nothing to do with the coach. It had to do w/the roster. Said the same about Miami. Had nothing to do with the coach. Had to do w/a fragile QB. Titans. Colts. Shocked the Vikes made it w/Darnold. But that is a rare one.

You could give AP control of every decision and the Raiders would do no better.

Maybe not. Like I said, my statement had nothing to do with Pierce. I wouldn't expect any coach to turn those 2 into a playoff QB. Pierce may indeed stink. Not arguing that point. I withhold judgement on his coaching ability when his management doesn't stock the locker room.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Never said that. But it is exceedingly difficult. And it gets even harder in this day & age because of the dominance of analytics.

A fluke & you know it. You really expect a QB throwing less than 50% is a minor hurdle? They made it cause the entire AFC West was medicore to the nth power.
No. A great one might keep a poorly manned team competitive. But expect them to approach.500?
Who wants to watch the Raiders? I suffered enough having to watch the Panthers.

You seem to be of the opinion I think Antonio Pierce is good. Never once claimed that. I'm saying you cant give chef a bunch of veggies & get mad steak ain't on your plate. Who saw Minshew & O'Connel in the QB room & thought Vegas was playoff bound????????? We all knew it would end badly. It has nothing to do w/Pierce. I looked @ Saints & said no playoff. Had nothing to do with the coach. It had to do w/the roster. Said the same about Miami. Had nothing to do with the coach. Had to do w/a fragile QB. Titans. Colts. Shocked the Vikes made it w/Darnold. But that is a rare one.
Maybe not. Like I said, my statement had nothing to do with Pierce. I wouldn't expect any coach to turn those 2 into a playoff QB. Pierce may indeed stink. Not arguing that point. I withhold judgement on his coaching ability when his management doesn't stock the locker room.

The 2011 broncos are not the only team in history to make it to the playoffs
with a bad qb.
I didn't know what you think of AP.
I do know that you don't seem informed on AP's progress as a head coach and seem to think its more alack of talent.
If you haven't watched the Raiders games
then how do you know how AP is progressing as a head coach?

Its easy to say i knew that team will be good or bad after the season.
I could say i expected the Saints to be bad not because of the talent but because of Dennis Allen. He was terrible as a head coach for the Raiders
and Saints. The Raiders were surviving until that Surtain int return for a td.
The team never recovered and AP made bad decision after bad decision.

If the Raiders do poorly again do we blame it on the talent again?
How many losses do you need to see before holding the head coach responsible?

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

The 2011 broncos are not the only team in history to make it to the playoffs
with a bad qb.
I didn't know what you think of AP.
I do know that you don't seem informed on AP's progress as a head coach and seem to think its more alack of talent.
If you haven't watched the Raiders games
then how do you know how AP is progressing as a head coach?

Its easy to say i knew that team will be good or bad after the season.
I could say i expected the Saints to be bad not because of the talent but because of Dennis Allen. He was terrible as a head coach for the Raiders
and Saints. The Raiders were surviving until that Surtain int return for a td.
The team never recovered and AP made bad decision after bad decision.

If the Raiders do poorly again do we blame it on the talent again?
How many losses do you need to see before holding the head coach responsible?

For the last time,

I
NEVER
CLAIMED
ANYTHING
GOOD
OR
BAD
ABOUT
PIERCE
AS
A
COACH!