Competitive balance discussion - Page 24

Markus Heinsohn · 12-03-2018, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NarWil

What exactly would define a "Meatball team," if you're shutting them down?

Any team that clearly does things a normal GM would never do, eg. having a pitching staff composed only of position players.

Look, I get it that it can be fun to experiment with several types of team strategy approaches. But, this approach in question here simply has the intention of making a fool out of the system, and we will not tolerate this, as it ruins the fun for people who try to properly compete.

Germaniac · 12-03-2018, 03:28 PM

The following is a team from my league - I faced the guy in beta and the had a powerhouse there.

Look at the "bullpen". The only question is: Will he finish 162-0?

But it's within the rules. If he's satisfied to win with a team like that he's entitled to do so as long as he doesn't break any rules.

And if you want to compete with him you have to spend some real money, you don't get teams like that by opening packs ... and if you don't want, let him play with this team and win his division by 50 games.

That's the great part of PT - each and everybody decides what route he wants to take

Markus Heinsohn · 12-03-2018, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Zephaerus

My man, I basically just wrote a 1200-word essay about how it's fun and what its possible consequences are. I can see where the problems might be, but I don't think they're certain, objectively bad, or can easily be worked out with common sense. I'm not trying to be cheeky here. I get that I'm not going to convince you otherwise, and I can tell that you've got some serious conviction in your decision. But I think the topic is worth more than a two-sentence reply saying no and a condescending follow-up telling me to use common sense, and I'd feel a lot better if I understood your reasoning.

Perfect Team is supposed to be a baseball universe which offers different levels of competitive leagues for different types of users. Meatball teams are the opposite to competitive teams, hence they defy the very concept, and hence they will be taken care of one way or the other.

I get that PT is also (at the moment) a playground for weird ideas, but this idea does not make sense at all, and all the points you list how this could be "fun" is potentially harming the stability of the economy, which is the backbone of PT. I am sure you are clever enough to understand this.

NarWil · 12-03-2018, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Any team that clearly does things a normal GM would never do...

As a Mariners fan I have no sense of what a normal GM would or wouldn't do

Markus Heinsohn · 12-03-2018, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NarWil

As a Mariners fan I have no sense of what a normal GM would or wouldn't do

Hahaha! I am sure Mets fans feel the same right now

Westheim · 12-03-2018, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Hahaha! I am sure Mets fans feel the same right now

Right in the guts.

Right. In... The guts.

spleen1015 · 12-03-2018, 03:34 PM

So my team of Bronze only players isn't normal. Will it be deleted?

T.J. Lauerman · 12-03-2018, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NarWil

As a Mariners fan I have no sense of what a normal GM would or wouldn't do

All of the guys Dipoto is trading for have contracts that end after 2020.

Who else's contract ends after 2020? Mike Trout.

Trout to the M's CONFIRMED!

Markus Heinsohn · 12-03-2018, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

So my team of Bronze only players isn't normal. Will it be deleted?

As long as you have position players in your lineups and pitchers on your pitching staff you are fine, of course

Zephaerus · 12-03-2018, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Perfect Team is supposed to be a baseball universe which offers different levels of competitive leagues for different types of users. Meatball teams are the opposite to competitive teams, hence they defy the very concept, and hence they will be taken care of one way or the other.

I get that PT is also (at the moment) a playground for weird ideas, but this idea does not make sense at all, and all the points you list how this could be "fun" is potentially harming the stability of the economy, which is the backbone of PT. I am sure you are clever enough to understand this.

I'm your customer, man. I buy your game every year. What got me into it was seeing posts about teams made entirely out of Phil Cokes and Bartolo Colons. You're telling me that my way of having fun with your product - which is with goofy, hair-brained, and objectively bad strategies - is "fun." You're selling a sandbox and then saying I'm using it wrong. C'mon, man.

I think I see that what you're getting at is that you need to make your money. You're running a business, and I can see how this strategy poses a problem to your business model. I think it's alright for you to admit it instead of beating around the bush, treating me like a child, and telling me it's common sense. I'll fix up my team when I get a chance.

CONN CHRIS · 12-03-2018, 03:43 PM

Please find ways to express yourselves without demeaning those that you disagree with. I would rather that you each police yourselves in this regard.

Thank you

Markus Heinsohn · 12-03-2018, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Zephaerus

I'm your customer, man. I buy your game every year. What got me into it was seeing posts about teams made entirely out of Phil Cokes and Bartolo Colons. You're telling me that my way of having fun with your product - which is with goofy, hair-brained, and objectively bad strategies - is "fun." You're selling a sandbox and then saying I'm using it wrong. C'mon, man.

I think I see that what you're getting at is that you need to make your money. You're running a business, and I can see how this strategy poses a problem to your business model. I think it's alright for you to admit it instead of beating around the bush and telling me it's common sense. I'll fix up my team when I get a chance.

It's not really about making money here. 95% of PT users do not spend a dime, and this is fine! Meatball teams threaten the economy of PT as a whole, it devalues cards, it puts too many PP into the system and it puts those players who happen to have a meatball team in the same division at an unfair advantage. This is easy to see, right?

Thanks for changing your team back to normal, I really appreciate this

Matt Arnold · 12-03-2018, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Zephaerus

I'm your customer, man. I buy your game every year. What got me into it was seeing posts about teams made entirely out of Phil Cokes and Bartolo Colons. You're telling me that my way of having fun with your product - which is with goofy, hair-brained, and objectively bad strategies - is "fun." You're selling a sandbox and then saying I'm using it wrong. C'mon, man.

I think I see that what you're getting at is that you need to make your money. You're running a business, and I can see how this strategy poses a problem to your business model. I think it's alright for you to admit it instead of beating around the bush and telling me it's common sense. I'll fix up my team when I get a chance.

If you want to see how well your meatball team can do, or whether playing Colon at SS would lead to some spectacular highlights, the regular game has a ton of great ways to handle those setups, and they provide a lot more customization as well.

NarWil · 12-03-2018, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by T.J. Lauerman

All of the guys Dipoto is trading for have contracts that end after 2020.

Who else's contract ends after 2020? Mike Trout.

Trout to the M's CONFIRMED!

God, that would be great. We could give him $500m over 10 years and then eat a quarter of his contract when we trade him halfway through

T.J. Lauerman · 12-03-2018, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NarWil

God, that would be great. We could give him $500m over 10 years and then eat a quarter of his contract when we trade him halfway through

Outside arbitration and stuff, they have almost no one locked up after 2020. Also, you've got to believe Machado and Harper will probably have early opt outs in their contracts. So the M's could really load up.

Germaniac · 12-03-2018, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Hahaha! I am sure Mets fans feel the same right now

The Mets. The Mets?

Isn't that the team that pays a player almost $ 1.2 mill. each and every year until 2035, even though he didn't play for them since 1999? And the Orioles chipping in with some additional cash, too?

Naaah, that can't be true.

This could never happen in real life. Never. Ever.

Not even in OOTP.

Westheim · 12-03-2018, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Germaniac

The Mets. The Mets?

Isn't that the team that pays a player almost $ 1.2 mill. each and every year until 2035, even though he didn't play for them since 1999? And the Orioles chipping in with some additional cash, too?

Naaah, that can't be true.

This could never happen in real life. Never. Ever.

Not even in OOTP.

M-more in th-the guts.

Ooww, make it st-stop.

whobob · 12-03-2018, 03:52 PM

I have wondered how an all-RP pitching staff would do, bullpenning every game. 9 position players, a backup catcher, and one backup INF/OF who would play a lot to give the starters a day off, and then 14 relief pitchers. It probably still isn't enough, but maybe a 3 man rotation with an extremely quick hook? I am curious...

Markus Heinsohn · 12-03-2018, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by whobob

I have wondered how an all-RP pitching staff would do, bullpenning every game. 9 position players, a backup catcher, and one backup INF/OF who would play a lot to give the starters a day off, and then 14 relief pitchers. It probably still isn't enough, but maybe a 3 man rotation with an extremely quick hook? I am curious...

If you are curious about such an experiment, simply do it in a solo OOTP league

NarWil · 12-03-2018, 03:56 PM

@whobob

IMO you should try it!

edit: o nvm don't get the ban hammer

12-03-2018, 03:28 PM	#462
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 3,059	The following is a team from my league - I faced the guy in beta and the had a powerhouse there. Look at the "bullpen". The only question is: Will he finish 162-0? But it's within the rules. If he's satisfied to win with a team like that he's entitled to do so as long as he doesn't break any rules. And if you want to compete with him you have to spend some real money, you don't get teams like that by opening packs ... and if you don't want, let him play with this team and win his division by 50 games. That's the great part of PT - each and everybody decides what route he wants to take Attached Images __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

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12-03-2018, 03:34 PM	#467
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,000	So my team of Bronze only players isn't normal. Will it be deleted?

12-03-2018, 03:52 PM	#478
whobob Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 85	I have wondered how an all-RP pitching staff would do, bullpenning every game. 9 position players, a backup catcher, and one backup INF/OF who would play a lot to give the starters a day off, and then 14 relief pitchers. It probably still isn't enough, but maybe a 3 man rotation with an extremely quick hook? I am curious...

12-03-2018, 03:56 PM	#480
NarWil Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 11	@whobob IMO you should try it! edit: o nvm don't get the ban hammer