2006 Oakland A's Thread - Page 24

JDOldSchool · 04-16-2006, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sean-patin

I'd say that if Dan Johnson doesn't have a hit by the middle of next week, they will do something... they have to don't they? what would that make him.... probably close to 0-for-30 or -35.... Macha will probably try batting him in all 9 spots with his streak tho... he'd be happy w/ an 0-for-27 day!

Johnson is currently 1 for 32.

UngratefulDead · 04-16-2006, 06:36 AM

Johnson was 0 for 27 at one point though, right? Wonder how common that is, the batting no-hitter.

PotatoPeeler · 04-16-2006, 12:03 PM

Wow! Back-to-back-to-back.. literally!

darkhorse · 04-16-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

You can not like it, but that's what you're saying. You're putting counting stats over rate stats and that's wrong.

2. It's especially wrong when one significant factor for one guy having more numbers is that the other guy was not in the league yet!

3. Ichiro may have been responsible for more runs, but if Dunn was a leadoff hitter he would be superior by a good 20 equivalent runs and that includes him playing significantly fewer games.

1. Ehh, wrong again. I'm putting value over rate.

2. You are in error again. Both players made their MLB debut in 2001.

3. Ichiro bats leadoff because he is a superior athlete. He plays all the time because he is a superiorly conditioned athlete. He's has been more valuable offensively every season during their respective careers, except for the last. If you factored offensive replacement value for position, the gap widens. But, we won't because Dunn needs every crutch to stay in the picture.

darkhorse · 04-16-2006, 02:24 PM

dola,

I'm a big fan of Adam Dunn, and he's a great hitter. Ichiro is a splendid hitter and has been a far superior player. He's nearing the end, though, and Dunn is just now entering his prime. The next 4-5 years for Dunn should be a pleasure to watch. He's certainly off to a hot start this year.

JDOldSchool · 04-16-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

1. Ehh, wrong again. I'm putting value over rate.

Only if value = the higher number regardless of circumstances.

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2. You are in error again. Both players made their MLB debut in 2001.

Except Dunn made his on July 20, 2001. He missed almost 4 months of the season while playing in the minors. So, like I said, he wasn't in the league yet.

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3. Ichiro bats leadoff because he is a superior athlete. He plays all the time because he is a superiorly conditioned athlete. He's has been more valuable offensively every season during their respective careers, except for the last. If you factored offensive replacement value for position, the gap widens. But, we won't because Dunn needs every crutch to stay in the picture.

Ichiro bats leadoff because he's small and fast and doesn't hit for power. The numbers just don't support these ridiculous claims you're making. Dunn's RATE stats, which are THE stats you should be looking at when sample size is not an issue, are better by a good margin. Dunn's lack of "playing time" is really just a lack of hitting leadoff, which is not due to Ichiro being better. The implication here is that the best athlete/hitter on every team bats leadoff and we both know that's not true.

Dunn ALSO plays all the time. In 02, 04, and 05 combined Ichiro played ONE more game. What the **** are you talking about, dh?

JDOldSchool · 04-16-2006, 04:37 PM

This is unbelievable! Two days in a row Macha has a decent lineup!

Kotsay CF
Swisher 1B
Crosby SS
Chavez 3B
Thomas DH
Bradley RF
Payton LF
Kendall C
Scutaro 2B

The bottom third of the lineup worries me, but this is still a good move today. Johnson can sit since he's struggling. Scutaro is still doing better than Ellis. Kendall has those scandalous Macha photos so he'll be in there. I'm ok with this.

Faroo6 · 04-16-2006, 07:22 PM

Baseball is a cruel mistress. 8 enjoyable innings down the crapper.

darkhorse · 04-16-2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

01. Only if value = the higher number regardless of circumstances.

02. Dunn's RATE stats, which are THE stats you should be looking at when sample size is not an issue, are better by a good margin.

03. Dunn ALSO plays all the time. In 02, 04, and 05 combined Ichiro played ONE more game.

01. Value isn't based what might have happened, but rather the actual performance.

02. .006 is a good margin? LOL. You seem to be under the impression that rate equals value. That is not the case at all. It is just a part of value. Otherwise, you end up with the best reliever in the league winning the Cy Young pretty much every season, or with Bruce Sutter in the Hall of Fame.
VORP isn't an acronym for Rate Over Replacement Player, for a good reason.

03. Yeah, well, except for that season he didn't.

Faroo6 · 04-16-2006, 07:33 PM

Well this certainly has gotten interesting. Ah, crap

Green & Gold Heart · 04-16-2006, 10:05 PM

Well I sure am glad I didn't watch the game today.

Faroo6 · 04-16-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

Well I sure am glad I didn't watch the game today.

Bradley's catch to homer would have sent you over the deep end.

Green & Gold Heart · 04-16-2006, 10:40 PM

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Bradley's catch to homer would have sent you over the deep end.

Ugh. I won't bother watching "highlights" either.

mikev · 04-17-2006, 01:27 AM

I really hate to point at Macha AGAIN for this game, especially since the umpires were so horrible, but I digress...

Street was obviously not quite on today. He should have been pulled after Tex's homer to tie it, but whatever.

Furthermore, what the hell was Macha thinking running Street out there AGAIN, the third straight day, after having him throw 20+ pitches the previous day in a non-save situation? Duchscherer and Kennedy were both rested today and could have gone instead of Street.

Green & Gold Heart · 04-17-2006, 01:41 AM

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Furthermore, what the hell was Macha thinking running Street out there AGAIN, the third straight day, after having him throw 20+ pitches the previous day in a non-save situation? Duchscherer and Kennedy were both rested today and could have gone instead of Street.

Personally I wouldn't think anything of sending my closer out for the third day in a row, especially with the off day tomorrow.

JDOldSchool · 04-17-2006, 02:11 AM

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Personally I wouldn't think anything of sending my closer out for the third day in a row, especially with the off day tomorrow.

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Except Haren was kicking all forms of ass today. He had thrown just 100 pitches and the only run given up was a double if not for Bradley. I would've stuck with Haren first, gone to Street second, then considered the other bullpen guys.

mikev · 04-17-2006, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

Personally I wouldn't think anything of sending my closer out for the third day in a row, especially with the off day tomorrow.

So you think Street looked good today? His stuff was spot on?

Like I said, I think he was getting squeezed a bit by the ump, and Teixeiria hit strike five out for the tying homer. Still, he should have come out then. He obviously didn't have it today.

Green & Gold Heart · 04-17-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mikev

So you think Street looked good today? His stuff was spot on?

I didn't watch the game. I don't know. I'm just saying as a general rule, I wouldn't worry sending a closer out three days in a row.

sean-patin · 04-17-2006, 01:16 PM

I would agree... he might not have pulled him soon enough, but he is the best reliever on the team and I would trust him going out there almost everyday (with the occasional rest)!

mikev · 04-17-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

I didn't watch the game. I don't know. I'm just saying as a general rule, I wouldn't worry sending a closer out three days in a row.

Usually, I wouldn't either, except in Street's case.

1. Since our good buddy Buck is too stupid to realize how good Street is, Huston only got TWO innings of work in the whole WBC. Bam, just like that he's behind the curve for the season.

2. Street threw 25 pitches the day before, while the team was down three runs. He got pulled then! LOL @ Macha. You can pull Street when the team is down 3 runs, but not when he gives up a game tying blast to Tex?

Oh, and FWIW, Street didn't have it yesterday, It probably had something to do with the horrible umpire squeezing him (the ball Texeiria hit out was strike FIVE imo), but he still wasn't making his pitches. He hung the cr@p outta that slider to Mark, and he paid for it.

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04-16-2006, 02:24 PM	#465
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	dola, I'm a big fan of Adam Dunn, and he's a great hitter. Ichiro is a splendid hitter and has been a far superior player. He's nearing the end, though, and Dunn is just now entering his prime. The next 4-5 years for Dunn should be a pleasure to watch. He's certainly off to a hot start this year. __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan."

04-17-2006, 01:27 AM	#474
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	I really hate to point at Macha AGAIN for this game, especially since the umpires were so horrible, but I digress... Street was obviously not quite on today. He should have been pulled after Tex's homer to tie it, but whatever. Furthermore, what the hell was Macha thinking running Street out there AGAIN, the third straight day, after having him throw 20+ pitches the previous day in a non-save situation? Duchscherer and Kennedy were both rested today and could have gone instead of Street. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

04-16-2006, 06:36 AM	#462
UngratefulDead Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,415	Johnson was 0 for 27 at one point though, right? Wonder how common that is, the batting no-hitter.

04-16-2006, 04:37 PM	#467
JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	This is unbelievable! Two days in a row Macha has a decent lineup! Kotsay CF Swisher 1B Crosby SS Chavez 3B Thomas DH Bradley RF Payton LF Kendall C Scutaro 2B The bottom third of the lineup worries me, but this is still a good move today. Johnson can sit since he's struggling. Scutaro is still doing better than Ellis. Kendall has those scandalous Macha photos so he'll be in there. I'm ok with this.

04-16-2006, 10:05 PM	#471
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	Well I sure am glad I didn't watch the game today.

04-17-2006, 01:16 PM	#479
sean-patin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 205	I would agree... he might not have pulled him soon enough, but he is the best reliever on the team and I would trust him going out there almost everyday (with the occasional rest)!