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[bear]

[quote=SAL;2170847]EOY Pound for Pound Tournament.

Any thoughts about possibly expanding roster sizes to include a PFP class.
The team caps would have to go increase accordingly but will any fighter elligible for the PFP class more draft day and roster intrigue might be possible.

Bear

[SAL]

The 4th round of waivers is closed and will remain closed until the draft is over and the Antwerp Southpaws have their roster in.

No signings this round to report.

Feel free to make trades anytime you want and the 105 cap will be lifted as soon as the last match is run for week 10.

[Romdawg88]

A little more info on the PfP tournament. It'll be a 32 man single elimination unweight adjusted tournament. All fighters will be fighting at Prime regardless of their actual career stage. There will be 4 fighters from each weightclass involved. Below is the rough draft tournament field SAL, Dave, and myself have created. Most of the spots are locked in but some aren't so if you have a fighter you think should be in this thing feel free to make an argument for him. Big credit to SAL and Dave for helping to put this thing together.

Tournament Field:

HW (11)Peter Jackson 80-8-1 (29),Iceteaboxing
HW (10)Max Schmeling 68-11-2 (37),Hebron Haymakers
HW (9)Ike Ibeabuchi 64-22-4 (43),Bald Beavers
HW (9)Ken Norton 64-12-3 (41),Juggernaut

LHW (13)Archie Moore 35-5-0 (33),Bears Unstable
LHW (11)Bob Foster 75-3-2 (74),Brazilian Barbarians
LHW (10)Matthew Saad Muhammad 35-5-1 (27),MexiVilles
LHW (8)Prince Charles Williams 67-17-6 (30),Iceteaboxing

MW (13)Carlos Monzon 38-4-0 (27),Oakland Assassins
MW (11)Tony Zale 66-10-3 (55),Juggernaut
MW (11)Mickey Walker 90-3-0 (80),Bonner Springs Bald Beavers
MW (9)Tiger Flowers 70-15-5 (15),Iceteaboxing

WW (10)Cocoa Kid 46-12-4 (9),Brazilian Barbarians
WW (9)Marlon Starling 63-14-2 (23),Hebron Haymakers
WW (9)Lloyd Honeyghan 65-10-4 (37),Tile Hill Top Team
WW (8)Zab Judah 66-12-4 (26),Bonner Springs Bald Beavers

LW (11)Carlos Ortiz 67-10-6 (14),The Nobodies
LW (10)Alexis Arguello 64-11-2 (44),MexiVilles
LW (10)Freddie Welsh 63-12-3 (12),Tile Hill Top Team
LW (10)Edwin Rosario 68-14-1 (60),Muckboys

FW (11)Young Griffo 72-6-6 (14),Antwerp Southpaws
FW (10)Kid Chocolate 36-5-4 (17),Iceteaboxing
FW (9)Jeff Fenech 67-12-0 (53),Boxing Kangaroos
FW (9)Sugar Ramos 61-17-3 (35),Undisputed Champions

BW (11)Jeff Chandler 74-4-7 (23),Cawkney Crusaders
BW (10)Jimmy Carruthers 32-11-4 (17),Stockholm's Finest
BW (9)Alfonso Zamora 65-10-4 (53),Hebron Haymakers
BW (9)Lupe Pintor 46-16 (26),Tomato City

Fly (10)Santos Laciar 29-8-4 (8),Brazilian Barbarians
Fly (8)Jorge Arce 44-16-1 (32),MexiVilles
Fly (8)Vic Darchinyan 79-4-1 (76),Boxing Kangaroos
Fly (8)Candido Tellez 59-17-4 (38),Muckboys

[CONN CHRIS]

It's a nice idea Bear, but I'd rather not expand Scot's work and further reduce available fighters with another 'division'. I like PFP tournaments though and am thankful that Romy will be running this.

[bigMatt]

Seems that the only undefeated guy in the Gold conference, Kid McCoy, oughtta get a spot...

But then again, I also could see the reasoning otherwise, considering his teammate already has one locked down. Especially if this is a one-time tourney and not an annual thing.

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

A little more info on the PfP tournament. It'll be a 32 man single elimination unweight adjusted tournament. All fighters will be fighting at Prime regardless of their actual career stage. There will be 4 fighters from each weightclass involved. Below is the rough draft tournament field SAL, Dave, and myself have created. Most of the spots are locked in but some aren't so if you have a fighter you think should be in this thing feel free to make an argument for him. Big credit to SAL and Dave for helping to put this thing together.

Tournament Field:

HW (11)Peter Jackson 80-8-1 (29),Iceteaboxing
HW (10)Max Schmeling 68-11-2 (37),Hebron Haymakers
HW (9)Ike Ibeabuchi 64-22-4 (43),Bald Beavers
HW (9)Ken Norton 64-12-3 (41),Juggernaut

LHW (13)Archie Moore 35-5-0 (33),Bears Unstable
LHW (11)Bob Foster 75-3-2 (74),Brazilian Barbarians
LHW (10)Matthew Saad Muhammad 35-5-1 (27),MexiVilles
LHW (8)Darius Michalczewski 60-18-2 (54),Undisputed Champions

MW (13)Carlos Monzon 38-4-0 (27),Oakland Assassins
MW (11)Tony Zale 66-10-3 (55),Juggernaut
MW (11)Mickey Walker 90-3-0 (80),Bonner Springs Bald Beavers
MW (9)Tiger Flowers 70-15-5 (15),Iceteaboxing

WW (10)Cocoa Kid 46-12-4 (9),Brazilian Barbarians
WW (9)Marlon Starling 63-14-2 (23),Hebron Haymakers
WW (9)Lloyd Honeyghan 65-10-4 (37),Tile Hill Top Team
WW (8)Zab Judah 66-12-4 (26),Bonner Springs Bald Beavers

LW (11)Carlos Ortiz 67-10-6 (14),The Nobodies
LW (10)Alexis Arguello 64-11-2 (44),MexiVilles
LW (10)Freddie Welsh 63-12-3 (12),Tile Hill Top Team
LW (10)Edwin Rosario 68-14-1 (60),Muckboys

FW (11)Young Griffo 72-6-6 (14),Antwerp Southpaws
FW (10)Kid Chocolate 36-5-4 (17),Iceteaboxing
FW (9)Jeff Fenech 67-12-0 (53),Boxing Kangaroos
FW (9)Sugar Ramos 61-17-3 (35),Undisputed Champions

BW (11)Jeff Chandler 74-4-7 (23),Cawkney Crusaders
BW (10)Jimmy Carruthers 32-11-4 (17),Stockholm's Finest
BW (9)Alfonso Zamora 65-10-4 (53),Hebron Haymakers
BW (9)Lupe Pintor 46-16 (26),Tomato City

Fly (10)Santos Laciar 29-8-4 (8),Brazilian Barbarians
Fly (8)Jorge Arce 44-16-1 (32),MexiVilles
Fly (8)Vic Darchinyan 79-4-1 (76),Boxing Kangaroos
Fly (8)Candido Tellez 59-17-4 (38),Muckboys

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by bigMatt

Seems that the only undefeated guy in the Gold conference, Kid McCoy, oughtta get a spot...

But then again, I also could see the reasoning otherwise, considering his teammate already has one locked down. Especially if this is a one-time tourney and not an annual thing.

It's going to be an annual tournament. The reason McCoy didn't make it is that Zale and Flowers have had better overall careers then him. McCoy's 0-4 record against Zale and Flowers hurt him. Come next year, We'll probably focus more on the current season. Truthfully, the MW division had a ton of guys that could have been in this thing and with only 4 spots some guys had to miss the cut. We probably could have put 7 or 8 MWs in this thing without a problem.

[bigMatt]

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

It's going to be an annual tournament. The reason McCoy didn't make it is that Zale and Flowers have had better overall careers then him. McCoy's 0-4 record against Zale and Flowers hurt him. Come next year, We'll probably focus more on the current season. Truthfully, the MW division had a ton of guys that could have been in this thing and with only 4 spots some guys had to miss the cut. We probably could have put 7 or 8 MWs in this thing without a problem.

Fair enough.

When I was a kid, I used to have this kindda argument with my buddy every year, come all-star time in baseball. I'd vote for the guys having the great year, even if their names were Greg Gross or Larry Hisle. He'd vote for the Rod Carew-Tony Gwynn-Don Mattingly types on the basis of their overall career, regardless of current season. We'd always debate who was more deserving. Never did quite resolve that one.

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by bigMatt

Fair enough.

When I was a kid, I used to have this kindda argument with my buddy every year, come all-star time in baseball. I'd vote for the guys having the great year, even if their names were Greg Gross or Larry Hisle. He'd vote for the Rod Carew-Tony Gwynn-Don Mattingly types on the basis of their overall career, regardless of current season. We'd always debate who was more deserving. Never did quite resolve that one.

Normally, I would agree with your line of thinking and will probably focus on the current season next year but my thought process when I selected fighters was to reward guys who had had great careers up to this point since it this was the time we had done this kind of tournament.

I should point out that SAL created the initial list and sent it my way. I did check out each division to see what changes I would make and in the MWs the only change I wanted was to replace Dick Tiger with Tiger Flowers which we did do in the end. Maybe next time SAL is on he can explain why he didn't go with McCoy. If anyone is interested why a fighter did or didn't make it please feel free to ask and I'll be happy to give my reasons why. I'm sure Dave and SAL will be to.

Edit: I made a change to the roster. I was never completely happy with DM being in there. There was always a thought in the back of my mind that there was someone better who should be in it instead. Well, the talk about McCoy got me thinking and it hit me the guy we were missing was Prince Charles Williams. The dude pretty much ran the Silver LHW division for a few seasons and at 67-17-6 (30), 27-2-2 in title fights, he needs to be in the tournament so I'm putting him in place of DM.

[bigMatt]

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

Normally, I would agree with your line of thinking and will probably focus on the current season next year but my thought process when I selected fighters was to reward guys who had had great careers up to this point since it this was the time we had done this kind of tournament.

That makes a lot of sense.

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

I made a change to the roster. I was never completely happy with DM being in there. There was always a thought in the back of my mind that there was someone better who should be in it instead. Well, the talk about McCoy got me thinking and it hit me the guy we were missing was Prince Charles Williams. The dude pretty much ran the Silver LHW division for a few seasons and at 67-17-6 (30), 27-2-2 in title fights, he needs to be in the tournament so I'm putting him in place of DM.

Good choice. I almost asked about Williams in my initial response, as he's been the title holder several times, and has been pretty dominant overall.

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by bigMatt

That makes a lot of sense.



Good choice. I almost asked about Williams in my initial response, as he's been the title holder several times, and has been pretty dominant overall.

Last night as I was going to bed I was thinking about guys that people might ask about when Williams popped in my head. I checked the database and saw that he had hit a rough patch and had dropped to 22nd which was the reason I never saw him in the first place since I never checked that low in the rankings.

[SAL]

Originally Posted by bigMatt

Seems that the only undefeated guy in the Gold conference, Kid McCoy, oughtta get a spot...

But then again, I also could see the reasoning otherwise, considering his teammate already has one locked down. Especially if this is a one-time tourney and not an annual thing.

Matt,
On the initial list I sent to Romy, I used 4 fighters from each weight class and tried to spread the team representation around a little just to get this PfP started. Since then, Romy and Dave have tweaked the list. I see no reason in the future to stick with 4 fighters from each weight class. The only reason I did this time was because it is the first one. I just wanted to see if Walker can kick the crap out of fighters from a different weight class and not just the MW's.

[SAL]

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

I made a change to the roster. I was never completely happy with DM being in there. There was always a thought in the back of my mind that there was someone better who should be in it instead. Well, the talk about McCoy got me thinking and it hit me the guy we were missing was Prince Charles Williams. The dude pretty much ran the Silver LHW division for a few seasons and at 67-17-6 (30), 27-2-2 in title fights, he needs to be in the tournament so I'm putting him in place of DM.

Good choice Romy.

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by SAL

Matt,
On the initial list I sent to Romy, I used 4 fighters from each weight class and tried to spread the team representation around a little just to get this PfP started. Since then, Romy and Dave have tweaked the list. I see no reason in the future to stick with 4 fighters from each weight class. The only reason I did this time was because it is the first one. I just wanted to see if Walker can kick the crap out of fighters from a different weight class and not just the MW's.

Being able to use more then 4 guys from a weightclass is going to make things both easier and harder. I think next year is going to involve more discussion on who should be in it then this year's. I'm looking forward to getting this show on the road and seeing who wins this thing.

[SAL]

Schedule for week 10. Will start week 10 in a few.

Gold Report
Tile Hill Top Team has a 12 point lead over the Muckboys in the race for the wild card spot in the Gold. Unless the 3 division leaders in the Gold have a major collapse in week 10, they should win their respective divisions no problem.

Tile Hill will face the tough and scoring machine division leader Bald Beavers from Kansas while the Muckboys face a second year team in Left Jab Inc in the final week. Left Jab has made some key improvements over the last few weeks and may challenge the Muckboys.

Different story in the Silver.
The North race will be decided in a head to head match between 1st & 2nd place Hebron Haymakers/Iceteaboxing with the winner of this match winning the North and the loser most likely gaining the wild card spot for the Silver. Only 2 points seperate these two teams in their final match of week 10.

The Midwest title is up for grabs. It will be between Undisputed Champions and Oakland Assassins. 7 points separate these two teams in the standings. Oakland gets a very solid expansion team (Hoosier Playboys) in their final match and the U. Champs face the defending World UTBA Champs...Crusaders. The Crusaders are having a down year after they went through a rebuild stage, so the U.Champs should be able to put some points on the board in this one.

The South division will be between the MexiVilles and Juggernaut. Juggernaut leads the Villes by 4 points in the standings. The winner of this head to head match will win the South with the loser having an outside shot at the Silver wild card spot. The Villes trail by 14 points in the wild card hunt while Juggernaut sits 18 points behind in the WC standings.

WEEK TEN

420th Street Gym @ The Nobodies
Chilton Roughnecks @ Punching Bags
Stockholm's Finest @ Boxing Kangaroos
Long Island Lipbusters @ Brazilian Barbarians
Bears Unstable @ McCune Mitt Slingers
Dublin Guards @ Tomato City
Cawkney Crusaders @ Undisputed Champions
Oakland Assassins @ Hoosier Playboys
Iceteaboxing @ Hebron Haymakers
Mexivilles @ Juggernaut
Muckboys @ Left Jab Inc
Bonner Springs Bald Beavers @ Tile Hill Top Team

[Romdawg88]

Bah, looks like we're going to have to wait until Sunday to answer all the playoff questions. Damn, you SAL for making all the playoff hopefuls have to sit around in suspense all weekend.

[lethal liberal]

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

Bah, looks like we're going to have to wait until Sunday to answer all the playoff questions. Damn, you SAL for making all the playoff hopefuls have to sit around in suspense all weekend.

Yeah,we gotta wait til Sunday..LOL. I hate playing the damn spoiler role. I WANNA CONTEND DAMN IT! LOL. Good luck to all the playoff hopefuls...should be the most competitive postseason in UTBA history! Even though I wont be a part of it..I look forward to seeing who comes out on top. You have the usual dominant faces,but a few new hats have been tossed into the mix and the Mexvilles just seem to keep winning. Have a fun but safe weekend guys. Peace.

[bear]

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

Bah, looks like we're going to have to wait until Sunday to answer all the playoff questions. Damn, you SAL for making all the playoff hopefuls have to sit around in suspense all weekend.

Waiting is all part of the fun, guys.

I'm glad that my slot is secure and I don't have to sweat the weekend. On NFL draft weeekend I'm always preoccupied and turn my wife into a football widow. Also have a retirement party to go to tomorrow for one of my colleagues. I'm one of those guys that watches the entire draft and keep notes on it. Have seven pre-draft magazines with scouting reports and have my own little war room at home.

Bear

[mh2365]

Well at least I have a day to wait until my classic end of the season choke.

[Kalinik]

It's nice to see my Aussie Strongboy Young Griffo represents the Antwerp Southpaws in the PfP tournament. Eventhough he's not officially a Southpaw, the entire city of Antwerp will be rooting for him!

[SAL]

Before I work up a poll to change the way we do the scoring in the league, let's first vote to see if we want to change the current league scoring.

I have posted a poll to vote on whether we want to change the way we score the team matches in the league or not. If we get a yes to this question, please post any ideas you have in the poll thread and then I'll put all of the ideas together in a poll for the owners to vote on.

You can vote on this poll in the Inside the Ropes section or use the link below.
UTBA League Scoring