Time Warp Baseball - Page 237

Matt from TN · 07-05-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjas

I'm going to make you eat those words Matt.

lol... good luck in THAT park (w/ HR's that is).

Brown's HR-less streak increased to 17 games in early July, snapping it with a shot in a 13-2 win in KC against Baltimore. He's now on pace for 60... which is just fine by me!

Matt from TN · 07-07-2005, 01:10 AM

1957 All-Star Game
Griffith Stadium, Washington DC

The AL played this game 3 players short with pitchers Bourbon Allen Jr. and Jackie Bowen and 3B Wilford Woodworth all out with injuries. Martin Gwaltney started the game for the AL. He sat down the first seven batters he faced, but a single by Pirates catcher Doug Provenzano gave the NL its first baserunner. Pinch hitter Abe Arsenault doubled, moving Provenzano to 3rd, and then SS Roger Joyce singled home a run. Gwaltney then struck out Rex Seelinger before getting Brooklyn's Mark Silcox to fly out to end the top of the 3rd.

For the NL, Chicago's Randy Liebermann pitched two solid innings to start the game, and Brooklyn's Joe Helton pitched a scoreless 3rd. In the 4th, Chicago's Denny Evers came in to pitch and was greeted with a solo homerun to right field by Kansas City slugger Charlton Brown. In the 6th inning, Brown hit a 2-run homer off Brooklyn's Tom Dufresne, and that was all the American League would need.

Code:

            1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9    R  H E 
NL Allstars 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0    1  5 0 
AL Allstars 0 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 X    3  7 0

WP: Roy Wolfe, DET
LP: Tom Dufresne, BKN
MVP: Charlton Brown, KCA (2-for-3, 2 HRs, 3 RBI)

American League Starters:
C John Degal, BOS*
1B Charlton Brown, KCA*
2B Mike Kreitenberg, BOS*
3B Dave Lemmings, CLE*
SS Morris Lutske, BOS*
LF Paul Lett, CLE
CF Henry Thomas, CHA
RF Arnie Stewart, NYA*
SP Martin Gwaltney, KCA

Reserves:
SP Tad Zonkas, KCA
SP Lex Tjeenk-Willink, CLE*
SP Roy Wolfe, DET
SP Eric Williams, NYA
SP John Nolting, DET
SP Bourbon Allen Jr., NYA*
SP Jackie Bowen, KCA
C Sal Poulos, KCA
1B Leo Emig, WSH*
2B Hans Habermehl, KCA*
3B Bud Ayers, KCA*
3B Wilford Woodworth, NYA*
LF Lucien Arbour, BOS*
LF Ray Kress, DET
RF Chip Sinton, KCA*
RF Wil Griffin, WSH

National League Starters:
C Doug Provenzano, PIT
1B Bobby Johnson, CHN
2B Rex Seelinger, NYG
3B Ike Walker, PIT
SS Roger Joyce, BKN*
LF Delmar Yordy, CIN*
CF Mark Silcox, BKN
RF William Perry, PIT*
SP Randy Liebermann, CHN

Reserves:
SP Joe Helton, BKN
SP Adam Sardina, CHN
SP Jack Schoonover, PIT*
SP Tom Dufresne, BKN
SP Denny Evers, CHN
SP Hank Makris, CIN
SP Edgar Weingarten, MLN
C Charlie Shellenbarger, BKN
1B Ben Giordano, PIT*
1B Ted McMurray, CIN*
2B Herm Vardaman, PIT
2B Ed Impens Jr., BKN
LF Abe Arsenault, MLN*
CF Matt Praks, CIN
CF Rudel Dietrich, MLN
RF George Petty, NYG*

* denotes ancestor

Next All-Star Game scheduled at the Los Angeles Coliseum

Matt from TN · 07-07-2005, 02:17 AM

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July 1957

The Athletics went 15-10 in July while the Yankees went 14-10, losing a half-game in the standings. After going 17 games without a homerun, Kansas City's Charlton Brown hit 8 more over the remainder of the month, although he hit just .233 in July. The amazing slugger leads the majors with 41 longballs, keeping him on pace to tie his major league record of 61 hit last season. New York's Arnie Stewart, who has never hit more than 38 homers, is on pace to club 50. In the National League, Milwaukee's Abraham Arsenault is also on pace for 50.

Speaking of the NL, Brooklyn went 19-6 to move into first place by a half-game over the Cubs. Cincinnati went just 14-11, but they are only 2 games back with two months left in the season.

Washington's Lukas Dietrich struck out 15 players for the 3rd time in his career. Only 5 times in history has a pitcher K'd 15 batters, and three of those are Dietrich's. "The Bullet" won his first POM award, and he is currently on pace to set a new major league record with 354 K's, after setting a new record of 309 last season.

Brooklyn's Joe Helton has been amazing lately. He is on pace for a new NL record 310 K's, but more amazingly is the fact that he has thrown 46.1 consecutive scoreless innings. Six of his last 7 starts have been 9 inning shutouts. On June 29th, he shutout the Cubs. Then he lost to the Reds, allowing 5 runs over 8 innings. His scoreless streak started in the 7th inning of that game, and since that loss he has tossed 5 consecutive complete game shutouts.

Boston's Mike Kreitenberg is leading the AL with a .415 average. In his first season with Boston, Kreitenberg has already gathered quite a following of fans and has quickly become one of the most popular players in town. After hitting .416 in July, Kreitenberg could become the first player to hit .400 in a season since newly inducted HOF'er Blake Crocitto with the 1939 Senators.

The first Triple Crown did not come until 1947, and two TC's have been won since then. The latest was won last season by Brooklyn's Mark Silcox. With 104 games played, the Dodgers star could do it again this year. He leads the NL with a .352 average and 110 RBI. His 30 homeruns is 2nd in the league, but he has been hot - hitting 10 longballs in just 23 July games.

In The News

July 1: By stuffing the ballot box, Cincinnati fans elected 6 Redlegs as starters for the All-Star Game. Over protests from Reds fans, Commissioner Ford Frick replaced 4 of those players, leaving only LF Delmar Yordy and 1B Ted McMurray on the team. The Reds were also represented by CF Matt Praks, who was on the ballot as a Pirate.

July 2: NL President Warren Giles proposed that fan All-Star voting be limited to those actually attending a game.

July 3: Cincinnati fans threatened to sue Commissioner Ford Frick unless Walter Davis, Ben Cook and Alton Kee are restored to the All-Star team.

July 4: The Women's Christian Temperance Union charged that baseball has become "beerball," since so many broadcasts are sponsored by breweries.

July 8: The owners decided to re-elect Commissioner Ford Frick to another 7-year term when his present contract ends in 1958.

July 18: In what was later revealed as false testimony, the Washington Senators' owner denied before the Celler committee that he had any ties to Redlegs ownership or has favored them in any trades. This accusation went back to a 1956 trade that sent pitcher Louis Schmit and outfield prospect Vasily Zimyanin to the Redlegs near the end of spring training for two relief pitchers. Two days later, Cincinnati shipped those same two players to the Cardinals for outfielder Walter Davis.

July 18: Horace Stoneham announced that the Giants will leave New York after the season. He said he has not heard anything more from San Francisco and that his move is not contingent on that of the Dodgers. He sees a new stadium or joint occupancy with the Yankees as the only reason for the Giants to stay in New York.

July 19: Testifying before the Celler committee, Pacific Coast League President Leslie O'Connor claimed that 90 percent of all good ballplayers are monopolized through the farm teams. He added that the major leagues may control as many as 1,098 players.

July 30: The Tigers lost in 10 innings to the White Sox by a 6-5 score. Detroit manager Kid Fite was ejected in the top of the seventh for making obscene gestures. Before he departed, he strolled onto the field sipping an orange drink through a straw and offered the umpires a drink. Fite was suspended for two games by the Tigers and was not in uniform the next day in Chicago, which the Tigers won 4-3 to prevent a sweep. Rumors began to swirl that Fite may resign after the season.

American League-Pitcher of the Month:
Lukas Dietrich (WSH)!
He had a record of 5-1 in 7 games started, with an ERA of 1.30 and 1 shutouts.

American League-Batter of the Month:
Arnie Stewart (NYA)!
He batted .379 in 87 AB, with 8 homers and 22 RBI.

National League-Pitcher of the Month:
Joe Helton (BKN)!
He had a record of 5-1 in 6 games started, with an ERA of 0.85 and 5 shutouts.

National League-Batter of the Month:
Mark Silcox (BKN)!
He batted .371 in 97 AB, with 10 homers and 39 RBI.

Code:

American League Standings 
  
Kansas City      68 35 .660 -
New York (A)     62 40 .608 5.5
Detroit          54 49 .524 14.0
Cleveland        52 50 .510 15.5
Baltimore        45 57 .441 22.5
Boston           45 58 .437 23.0
Chicago (A)      44 60 .423 24.5
Washington       41 62 .398 27.0
 
National League Standings 
 
Brooklyn         66 38 .635 -
Chicago (N)      65 38 .631 0.5
Cincinnati       63 39 .618 2.0
Pittsburgh       58 44 .569 7.0
Milwaukee        50 54 .481 16.0
St. Louis        39 63 .382 26.0
New York (N)     36 68 .346 30.0
Philadelphia     36 69 .343 30.5

AL AVG
.415 Mike Kreitenberg, BOS
.338 Kenneth Whitt, BAL
.334 John Degal, BOS

NL AVG
.352 Mark Silcox, BKN
.344 Ben Giordano, PIT
.339 Roger Joyce, BKN
.339 George Petty, NYG

AL HOMERUNS
41 Charlton Brown, KCA
33 Arnie Stewart, NYA
26 John Degal, BOS

NL HOMERUNS
34 Abe Arsenault, MLN
30 Mark Silcox, BKN
28 Bobby Johnson, CHN

AL RBI
88 John Degal, BOS
80 Arnie Stewart, NYA
77 Charlton Brown, KCA

NL RBI
110 Mark Silcox, BKN
88 Abe Arsenault, MLN
78 Bobby Johnson, CHN

AL STEALS
42 Leo Emig, WSH
35 Mike Kreitenberg, BOS
28 Lucien Arbour, BOS

NL STEALS
31 Asa Booker, PHI
28 Ben Cook, CIN
25 Cognac Allen, MLN

AL ERA
2.14 Jackie Bowen, KCA
2.22 Bourbon Allen Jr., NYA
2.76 Tad Zonkas, KCA

NL ERA
2.27 Joe Helton, BKN
2.48 Randy Liebermann, CHN
2.90 Hal Muldrow, PHI

AL WINS
18 Martin Gwaltney, KCA
14 Roy Wolfe, DET
13 Wolter Tjeenk-Willink, CLE

NL WINS
19 Joe Helton, BKN
18 Jack Schoonover, PIT
17 Randy Liebermann, CHN
17 Tom Dufresne, BKN

AL STRIKEOUTS
237 Lukas Dietrich, WSH
187 Carpenter Erickson, NYA
175 Lex Tjeenk-Willink, CLE

NL STRIKEOUTS
210 Joe Helton, BKN
196 Randy Liebermann, CHN
120 Adam Sardina, CHN

AL SAVES
25 Cal Granger, KCA
24 John Patterson, DET
16 Steven Leach, BAL

NL SAVES
20 Gene Lopez, CHN
19 Chris Delp, CIN
15 Barry Sammons, BKN
15 Dean Schiffman, PIT

canadiancreed · 07-07-2005, 02:28 AM

July 18: In what was later revealed as false testimony, the Washington Senators' owner denied before the Celler committee that he had any ties to Redlegs ownership or has favored them in any trades. This accusation went back to a 1956 trade that sent pitcher Louis Schmit and outfield prospect Vasily Zimyanin to the Redlegs near the end of spring training for two relief pitchers. Two days later, Cincinnati shipped those same two players to the Cardinals for outfielder Walter Davis.

did this actually happen?

jdw · 07-07-2005, 03:10 AM

1957 NL "elected" All Star Starters:

C Bailey (CIN)
1B Musial (STL)
2B Temple (CIN)
SS Hoak (CIN)
3B McMillian (CIN)
OF Robinson (CIN)
OF Bell (CIN)
OF Post (CIN)

Post and Bell were kicked off the team.

Hoak and McMillian were allowed one PA then sent to the bench.

So it was more extreme in Real Life. Baseball took the vote away from the fans around this time.

John

Matt from TN · 07-07-2005, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

did this actually happen?

Yes, but to the A's and Yanks.

Matt from TN · 07-08-2005, 05:29 PM

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August 1957

The A-Train from Kansas City just keeps on chugging along. The Athletics posted a 19-10 record in August highlighted by the return of Jackie Bowen. The 28-year-old Texan tossed a huge 4-hit, 1-run complete game victory on August 21st against the Yankees in his return to the mound after a torn tricep shelved him for two and a half months. After losing his next start against Boston, Bowen pitched another 1-run complete game victory on August 29th against the Indians.

In the NL, Cincinnati opened the month by splitting a 4-game series against league-leading Brooklyn. After that, the Redlegs went 19-6 including two huge sweeps on the road at Chicago and Brooklyn. During that run, Cincy also had a 9-game winning streak during which they outscored opponents 64-27.

In The News

Aug 5: The Brooklyn Sports Authority got an engineering report on a 50,000-seat stadium in the downtown area. It will cost an estimated $20.7 million, including the land site. Indications are that there will be trouble finding a market for the bond issue.

Aug 17: Cubs shortstop Wilbur Taylor, known for his ability to foul pitches off, hit spectator Alice Ross twice in the same at bat. The first one broke her nose and the second one hit her while she was being removed from her seat on a stretcher. Ironically, she is the wife of Earl Ross, the sports editor of the Chicago Tribune. After battling Dodgers starter Daniel McCarty through that 10 pitch at-bat in the 5th, Taylor singled. He went 4-for-5 on the day in a 12-4 Cubs win.

Aug 19: Citing poor attendance as the key factor, the Giants board of directors voted 8-1 to move to California in 1958 as San Francisco promised a new stadium in the Bayview area.

American League-Pitcher of the Month:
Bourbon Allen Jr. (NYA)!
He had a record of 5-2 in 8 games started, with an ERA of 1.80 and 2 shutouts.

American League-Batter of the Month:
Lucien Arbour (BOS)!
He batted .388 in 103 AB, with 2 homers and 22 RBI.
What a season by the Red Sox rookie!!

National League-Pitcher of the Month:
Ellis Weeks (CIN)!
He had a record of 7-0 in 7 games started, with an ERA of 2.85.

National League-Batter of the Month:
Scotch Allen (STL)!
He batted .364 in 107 AB, with 7 homers and 21 RBI.

Code:

American League Standings 
  
Kansas City      87 45 .659 -
New York (A)     81 51 .614 6.0
Baltimore        67 65 .508 20.0
Cleveland        65 67 .492 15.5
Detroit          65 67 .492 15.5
Chicago (A)      59 73 .447 28.0
Boston           56 76 .424 31.0
Washington       48 84 .364 39.0
 
National League Standings 
 
Cincinnati       84 47 .641 -
Chicago (N)      81 51 .614 3.5
Brooklyn         80 53 .602 5.0
Pittsburgh       71 61 .538 13.5
Milwaukee        60 72 .455 24.5
St. Louis        53 79 .402 31.5
Philadelphia     51 82 .383 34.0
New York (N)     48 83 .366 36.0

AL AVG
.399 Mike Kreitenberg, BOS
.329 Paul Lett, CLE
.328 Lucien Arbour, BOS

NL AVG
.337 Roger Joyce, BKN
.334 Mark Silcox, BKN
.333 Ben Giordano, PIT

AL HOMERUNS
48 Charlton Brown, KCA
35 Arnie Stewart, NYA
32 John Degal, BOS

NL HOMERUNS
42 Abe Arsenault, MLN
34 Mark Silcox, BKN
34 Ted McMurray, CIN

AL RBI
105 John Degal, BOS
99 Charlton Brown, KCA
95 Arnie Stewart, NYA

NL RBI
125 Mark Silcox, BKN
106 Abe Arsenault, MLN
96 Scotch Allen, STL
96 Bobby Johnson, CHN

AL STEALS
49 Leo Emig, WSH
45 Mike Kreitenberg, BOS
41 Lucien Arbour, BOS

NL STEALS
42 Asa Booker, PHI
37 Ben Cook, CIN
27 Cognac Allen, MLN

AL ERA
2.07 Bourbon Allen Jr., NYA
2.19 Jackie Bowen, KCA
2.85 Martin Gwaltney, KCA

NL ERA
2.32 Joe Helton, BKN
2.45 Randy Liebermann, CHN
3.18 Hank Makris, CIN

AL WINS
23 Martin Gwaltney, KCA
17 Bourbon Allen Jr., NYA
16 Wolter Tjeenk-Willink, CLE
16 Roy Wolfe, DET
16 Tad Zonkas, KCA

NL WINS
25 Joe Helton, BKN
21 Jack Schoonover, PIT
21 Ellis Weeks, CIN

AL STRIKEOUTS
302 Lukas Dietrich, WSH
234 Carpenter Erickson, NYA
234 Lex Tjeenk-Willink, CLE

NL STRIKEOUTS
269 Joe Helton, BKN
237 Randy Liebermann, CHN
150 Adam Sardina, CHN

AL SAVES
33 Cal Granger, KCA
27 John Patterson, DET
19 Steven Leach, BAL

NL SAVES
25 Gene Lopez, CHN
25 Chris Delp, CIN
22 Barry Sammons, BKN

Vris · 07-08-2005, 08:01 PM

Look at Abe Arsenault! What a trade that turned out to be.

canadiancreed · 07-08-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Vris

Look at Abe Arsenault! What a trade that turned out to be.

very true. He'd be a great #4 or #5 hitter, having Diterich in 3rd and someone else in fourth with power and higher contact

BPS · 07-08-2005, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

Aug 17: Cubs shortstop Wilbur Taylor, known for his ability to foul pitches off, hit spectator Alice Ross twice in the same at bat. The first one broke her nose and the second one hit her while she was being removed from her seat on a stretcher. Ironically, she is the wife of Earl Ross, the sports editor of the Chicago Tribune.

Priceless....

ifspuds · 07-08-2005, 11:16 PM

That's a true story, too.

I just read about who actually did it, and now I've forgotten who it was.

DamnYankees · 07-09-2005, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ifspuds

That's a true story, too.

I just read about who actually did it, and now I've forgotten who it was.

Richie Ashburn.

Matt from TN · 07-09-2005, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ifspuds

That's a true story, too.

I just read about who actually did it, and now I've forgotten who it was.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

I commented many times before how eerily fortunate we were to have the White Sox go to the 1919 and 1920 WS's... lose in 1919 and win in 1920.

Now, just like RL, the Giants kinda stink but the Dodgers are coming of a WS loss to the Yankees with a talnted club and they're both leaving town... JUST like RL... eerie but cool.

Oh, I just finished watching the 1950s chapter of Ken Burns' Baseball. Wow what a documentary. I got it a month ago as a late birthday present, and it is just awesome.

DamnYankees · 07-09-2005, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt from TN

Oh, I just finished watching the 1950s chapter of Ken Burns' Baseball. Wow what a documentary. I got it a month ago as a late birthday present, and it is just awesome.

I'm watching it right now! I've been watching it all week. Right now I'm watching Costas' interview about Mantle's death on the extra features. My personal favorite chapter is "The Jewish Kid" I think. G-d I love Koufax. Also the chapter "Curses," when Costas perfectly sums up the Red Sox:

"The Red Sox are an opera. The Red Sox are "what??? how???" The Red Sox have you looking up to heaven for an explanation.

Great minds think alike, Matt.

canadiancreed · 07-09-2005, 01:07 AM

i used to have that on VHS and would watch it over and over again. good stuff

jdw · 07-09-2005, 10:33 PM

> Oh, I just finished watching the 1950s
> chapter of Ken Burns' Baseball. Wow
> what a documentary. I got it a month
> ago as a late birthday present, and it
> is just awesome.

I think it's a bit hit and miss. One running problem is that has stretches of being too NY-centric. Granted, with the Yankees, Giants and Dodgers, the games often had stretches of being NY-centric. But in the series, that focus took the spotlight away from other stories that are important, rich and deserved their moment. The 1969 Mets are given more time than the 1966-74 O's who were... like... better. Or the 1986 Mets getting more time than the 1988-92 A's.

That was a mild annoyance, balanced out through the 1960s by lots of really good stuff in it.

I think the more major issue with the documentary is that Inning 9 covering 1970 through the very early 1990s is extremely weak. It handled two items well - Aaron's chase, and the 800th time the 1975 World Series has been pimped to high heaven. It's just too big of a period, with too many different storylines (both feel-good and critical to the game) going on to stuff into 1 episode. Since it came at the end of the documentary, it's just left a very bad taste in my mouth at the close.

John

DamnYankees · 07-09-2005, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw

> Oh, I just finished watching the 1950s
> chapter of Ken Burns' Baseball. Wow
> what a documentary. I got it a month
> ago as a late birthday present, and it
> is just awesome.

I think it's a bit hit and miss. One running problem is that has stretches of being too NY-centric. Granted, with the Yankees, Giants and Dodgers, the games often had stretches of being NY-centric. But in the series, that focus took the spotlight away from other stories that are important, rich and deserved their moment. The 1969 Mets are given more time than the 1966-74 O's who were... like... better. Or the 1986 Mets getting more time than the 1988-92 A's.

That was a mild annoyance, balanced out through the 1960s by lots of really good stuff in it.

I think the more major issue with the documentary is that Inning 9 covering 1970 through the very early 1990s is extremely weak. It handled two items well - Aaron's chase, and the 800th time the 1975 World Series has been pimped to high heaven. It's just too big of a period, with too many different storylines (both feel-good and critical to the game) going on to stuff into 1 episode. Since it came at the end of the documentary, it's just left a very bad taste in my mouth at the close.

John

I don't mind that stuff as much, since stuff so recent doesn't really need to be covered in this documentary style I'd have been happy if Burns decided to just end his documentary in 1975. It's the history of it, the old stuff, pre-expansion, which is the best.

And hell, I'd pay the $100 just for Buck O'Neill.

Matt from TN · 07-10-2005, 11:48 AM

I thoroughly enjoyed the 1800s thru 1920s... my favorite periods anyway.

I agree it's NY-centric. I don't mind hearing about how the Yanks,Giants,Dodgers were so importanat & what it was like w/ the 2 teams left, but weren't there 13 other teams?

Mucho Macho · 07-10-2005, 09:37 PM

Looks like my father and uncle are doing pretty well, even though my dad took a hit in movement. Thankfully the 60's are coming up....less HR

pat · 07-10-2005, 09:42 PM

Dang, why the sudden surge of the birds? I thought we're going to stay at the lower-tier of the standings.

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Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	1957 All-Star Game Griffith Stadium, Washington DC The AL played this game 3 players short with pitchers Bourbon Allen Jr. and Jackie Bowen and 3B Wilford Woodworth all out with injuries. Martin Gwaltney started the game for the AL. He sat down the first seven batters he faced, but a single by Pirates catcher Doug Provenzano gave the NL its first baserunner. Pinch hitter Abe Arsenault doubled, moving Provenzano to 3rd, and then SS Roger Joyce singled home a run. Gwaltney then struck out Rex Seelinger before getting Brooklyn's Mark Silcox to fly out to end the top of the 3rd. For the NL, Chicago's Randy Liebermann pitched two solid innings to start the game, and Brooklyn's Joe Helton pitched a scoreless 3rd. In the 4th, Chicago's Denny Evers came in to pitch and was greeted with a solo homerun to right field by Kansas City slugger Charlton Brown. In the 6th inning, Brown hit a 2-run homer off Brooklyn's Tom Dufresne, and that was all the American League would need. Code: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E NL Allstars 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5 0 AL Allstars 0 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 X 3 7 0 WP: Roy Wolfe, DET LP: Tom Dufresne, BKN MVP: Charlton Brown, KCA (2-for-3, 2 HRs, 3 RBI) American League Starters: C John Degal, BOS* 1B Charlton Brown, KCA* 2B Mike Kreitenberg, BOS* 3B Dave Lemmings, CLE* SS Morris Lutske, BOS* LF Paul Lett, CLE CF Henry Thomas, CHA RF Arnie Stewart, NYA* SP Martin Gwaltney, KCA Reserves: SP Tad Zonkas, KCA SP Lex Tjeenk-Willink, CLE* SP Roy Wolfe, DET SP Eric Williams, NYA SP John Nolting, DET SP Bourbon Allen Jr., NYA* SP Jackie Bowen, KCA C Sal Poulos, KCA 1B Leo Emig, WSH* 2B Hans Habermehl, KCA* 3B Bud Ayers, KCA* 3B Wilford Woodworth, NYA* LF Lucien Arbour, BOS* LF Ray Kress, DET RF Chip Sinton, KCA* RF Wil Griffin, WSH National League Starters: C Doug Provenzano, PIT 1B Bobby Johnson, CHN 2B Rex Seelinger, NYG 3B Ike Walker, PIT SS Roger Joyce, BKN* LF Delmar Yordy, CIN* CF Mark Silcox, BKN RF William Perry, PIT* SP Randy Liebermann, CHN Reserves: SP Joe Helton, BKN SP Adam Sardina, CHN SP Jack Schoonover, PIT* SP Tom Dufresne, BKN SP Denny Evers, CHN SP Hank Makris, CIN SP Edgar Weingarten, MLN C Charlie Shellenbarger, BKN 1B Ben Giordano, PIT* 1B Ted McMurray, CIN* 2B Herm Vardaman, PIT 2B Ed Impens Jr., BKN LF Abe Arsenault, MLN* CF Matt Praks, CIN CF Rudel Dietrich, MLN RF George Petty, NYG* * denotes ancestor Next All-Star Game scheduled at the Los Angeles Coliseum

07-07-2005, 02:17 AM	#4723
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	WEB PAGES UPDATED... INCLUDING PLAYER PAGES July 1957 The Athletics went 15-10 in July while the Yankees went 14-10, losing a half-game in the standings. After going 17 games without a homerun, Kansas City's Charlton Brown hit 8 more over the remainder of the month, although he hit just .233 in July. The amazing slugger leads the majors with 41 longballs, keeping him on pace to tie his major league record of 61 hit last season. New York's Arnie Stewart, who has never hit more than 38 homers, is on pace to club 50. In the National League, Milwaukee's Abraham Arsenault is also on pace for 50. Speaking of the NL, Brooklyn went 19-6 to move into first place by a half-game over the Cubs. Cincinnati went just 14-11, but they are only 2 games back with two months left in the season. Washington's Lukas Dietrich struck out 15 players for the 3rd time in his career. Only 5 times in history has a pitcher K'd 15 batters, and three of those are Dietrich's. "The Bullet" won his first POM award, and he is currently on pace to set a new major league record with 354 K's, after setting a new record of 309 last season. Brooklyn's Joe Helton has been amazing lately. He is on pace for a new NL record 310 K's, but more amazingly is the fact that he has thrown 46.1 consecutive scoreless innings. Six of his last 7 starts have been 9 inning shutouts. On June 29th, he shutout the Cubs. Then he lost to the Reds, allowing 5 runs over 8 innings. His scoreless streak started in the 7th inning of that game, and since that loss he has tossed 5 consecutive complete game shutouts. Boston's Mike Kreitenberg is leading the AL with a .415 average. In his first season with Boston, Kreitenberg has already gathered quite a following of fans and has quickly become one of the most popular players in town. After hitting .416 in July, Kreitenberg could become the first player to hit .400 in a season since newly inducted HOF'er Blake Crocitto with the 1939 Senators. The first Triple Crown did not come until 1947, and two TC's have been won since then. The latest was won last season by Brooklyn's Mark Silcox. With 104 games played, the Dodgers star could do it again this year. He leads the NL with a .352 average and 110 RBI. His 30 homeruns is 2nd in the league, but he has been hot - hitting 10 longballs in just 23 July games. In The News July 1: By stuffing the ballot box, Cincinnati fans elected 6 Redlegs as starters for the All-Star Game. Over protests from Reds fans, Commissioner Ford Frick replaced 4 of those players, leaving only LF Delmar Yordy and 1B Ted McMurray on the team. The Reds were also represented by CF Matt Praks, who was on the ballot as a Pirate. July 2: NL President Warren Giles proposed that fan All-Star voting be limited to those actually attending a game. July 3: Cincinnati fans threatened to sue Commissioner Ford Frick unless Walter Davis, Ben Cook and Alton Kee are restored to the All-Star team. July 4: The Women's Christian Temperance Union charged that baseball has become "beerball," since so many broadcasts are sponsored by breweries. July 8: The owners decided to re-elect Commissioner Ford Frick to another 7-year term when his present contract ends in 1958. July 18: In what was later revealed as false testimony, the Washington Senators' owner denied before the Celler committee that he had any ties to Redlegs ownership or has favored them in any trades. This accusation went back to a 1956 trade that sent pitcher Louis Schmit and outfield prospect Vasily Zimyanin to the Redlegs near the end of spring training for two relief pitchers. Two days later, Cincinnati shipped those same two players to the Cardinals for outfielder Walter Davis. July 18: Horace Stoneham announced that the Giants will leave New York after the season. He said he has not heard anything more from San Francisco and that his move is not contingent on that of the Dodgers. He sees a new stadium or joint occupancy with the Yankees as the only reason for the Giants to stay in New York. July 19: Testifying before the Celler committee, Pacific Coast League President Leslie O'Connor claimed that 90 percent of all good ballplayers are monopolized through the farm teams. He added that the major leagues may control as many as 1,098 players. July 30: The Tigers lost in 10 innings to the White Sox by a 6-5 score. Detroit manager Kid Fite was ejected in the top of the seventh for making obscene gestures. Before he departed, he strolled onto the field sipping an orange drink through a straw and offered the umpires a drink. Fite was suspended for two games by the Tigers and was not in uniform the next day in Chicago, which the Tigers won 4-3 to prevent a sweep. Rumors began to swirl that Fite may resign after the season. American League-Pitcher of the Month: Lukas Dietrich (WSH)! He had a record of 5-1 in 7 games started, with an ERA of 1.30 and 1 shutouts. American League-Batter of the Month: Arnie Stewart (NYA)! He batted .379 in 87 AB, with 8 homers and 22 RBI. National League-Pitcher of the Month: Joe Helton (BKN)! He had a record of 5-1 in 6 games started, with an ERA of 0.85 and 5 shutouts. National League-Batter of the Month: Mark Silcox (BKN)! He batted .371 in 97 AB, with 10 homers and 39 RBI. Code: American League Standings Kansas City 68 35 .660 - New York (A) 62 40 .608 5.5 Detroit 54 49 .524 14.0 Cleveland 52 50 .510 15.5 Baltimore 45 57 .441 22.5 Boston 45 58 .437 23.0 Chicago (A) 44 60 .423 24.5 Washington 41 62 .398 27.0 National League Standings Brooklyn 66 38 .635 - Chicago (N) 65 38 .631 0.5 Cincinnati 63 39 .618 2.0 Pittsburgh 58 44 .569 7.0 Milwaukee 50 54 .481 16.0 St. Louis 39 63 .382 26.0 New York (N) 36 68 .346 30.0 Philadelphia 36 69 .343 30.5 AL AVG .415 Mike Kreitenberg, BOS .338 Kenneth Whitt, BAL .334 John Degal, BOS NL AVG .352 Mark Silcox, BKN .344 Ben Giordano, PIT .339 Roger Joyce, BKN .339 George Petty, NYG AL HOMERUNS 41 Charlton Brown, KCA 33 Arnie Stewart, NYA 26 John Degal, BOS NL HOMERUNS 34 Abe Arsenault, MLN 30 Mark Silcox, BKN 28 Bobby Johnson, CHN AL RBI 88 John Degal, BOS 80 Arnie Stewart, NYA 77 Charlton Brown, KCA NL RBI 110 Mark Silcox, BKN 88 Abe Arsenault, MLN 78 Bobby Johnson, CHN AL STEALS 42 Leo Emig, WSH 35 Mike Kreitenberg, BOS 28 Lucien Arbour, BOS NL STEALS 31 Asa Booker, PHI 28 Ben Cook, CIN 25 Cognac Allen, MLN AL ERA 2.14 Jackie Bowen, KCA 2.22 Bourbon Allen Jr., NYA 2.76 Tad Zonkas, KCA NL ERA 2.27 Joe Helton, BKN 2.48 Randy Liebermann, CHN 2.90 Hal Muldrow, PHI AL WINS 18 Martin Gwaltney, KCA 14 Roy Wolfe, DET 13 Wolter Tjeenk-Willink, CLE NL WINS 19 Joe Helton, BKN 18 Jack Schoonover, PIT 17 Randy Liebermann, CHN 17 Tom Dufresne, BKN AL STRIKEOUTS 237 Lukas Dietrich, WSH 187 Carpenter Erickson, NYA 175 Lex Tjeenk-Willink, CLE NL STRIKEOUTS 210 Joe Helton, BKN 196 Randy Liebermann, CHN 120 Adam Sardina, CHN AL SAVES 25 Cal Granger, KCA 24 John Patterson, DET 16 Steven Leach, BAL NL SAVES 20 Gene Lopez, CHN 19 Chris Delp, CIN 15 Barry Sammons, BKN 15 Dean Schiffman, PIT Last edited by Matt from TN; 07-07-2005 at 02:18 AM.

07-07-2005, 02:28 AM	#4724
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	July 18: In what was later revealed as false testimony, the Washington Senators' owner denied before the Celler committee that he had any ties to Redlegs ownership or has favored them in any trades. This accusation went back to a 1956 trade that sent pitcher Louis Schmit and outfield prospect Vasily Zimyanin to the Redlegs near the end of spring training for two relief pitchers. Two days later, Cincinnati shipped those same two players to the Cardinals for outfielder Walter Davis. did this actually happen? __________________ PT21 PT22

07-08-2005, 05:29 PM	#4727
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	WEB PAGES UPDATED... INCLUDING PLAYER PAGES August 1957 The A-Train from Kansas City just keeps on chugging along. The Athletics posted a 19-10 record in August highlighted by the return of Jackie Bowen. The 28-year-old Texan tossed a huge 4-hit, 1-run complete game victory on August 21st against the Yankees in his return to the mound after a torn tricep shelved him for two and a half months. After losing his next start against Boston, Bowen pitched another 1-run complete game victory on August 29th against the Indians. In the NL, Cincinnati opened the month by splitting a 4-game series against league-leading Brooklyn. After that, the Redlegs went 19-6 including two huge sweeps on the road at Chicago and Brooklyn. During that run, Cincy also had a 9-game winning streak during which they outscored opponents 64-27. In The News Aug 5: The Brooklyn Sports Authority got an engineering report on a 50,000-seat stadium in the downtown area. It will cost an estimated $20.7 million, including the land site. Indications are that there will be trouble finding a market for the bond issue. Aug 17: Cubs shortstop Wilbur Taylor, known for his ability to foul pitches off, hit spectator Alice Ross twice in the same at bat. The first one broke her nose and the second one hit her while she was being removed from her seat on a stretcher. Ironically, she is the wife of Earl Ross, the sports editor of the Chicago Tribune. After battling Dodgers starter Daniel McCarty through that 10 pitch at-bat in the 5th, Taylor singled. He went 4-for-5 on the day in a 12-4 Cubs win. Aug 19: Citing poor attendance as the key factor, the Giants board of directors voted 8-1 to move to California in 1958 as San Francisco promised a new stadium in the Bayview area. American League-Pitcher of the Month: Bourbon Allen Jr. (NYA)! He had a record of 5-2 in 8 games started, with an ERA of 1.80 and 2 shutouts. American League-Batter of the Month: Lucien Arbour (BOS)! He batted .388 in 103 AB, with 2 homers and 22 RBI. What a season by the Red Sox rookie!! National League-Pitcher of the Month: Ellis Weeks (CIN)! He had a record of 7-0 in 7 games started, with an ERA of 2.85. National League-Batter of the Month: Scotch Allen (STL)! He batted .364 in 107 AB, with 7 homers and 21 RBI. Code: American League Standings Kansas City 87 45 .659 - New York (A) 81 51 .614 6.0 Baltimore 67 65 .508 20.0 Cleveland 65 67 .492 15.5 Detroit 65 67 .492 15.5 Chicago (A) 59 73 .447 28.0 Boston 56 76 .424 31.0 Washington 48 84 .364 39.0 National League Standings Cincinnati 84 47 .641 - Chicago (N) 81 51 .614 3.5 Brooklyn 80 53 .602 5.0 Pittsburgh 71 61 .538 13.5 Milwaukee 60 72 .455 24.5 St. Louis 53 79 .402 31.5 Philadelphia 51 82 .383 34.0 New York (N) 48 83 .366 36.0 AL AVG .399 Mike Kreitenberg, BOS .329 Paul Lett, CLE .328 Lucien Arbour, BOS NL AVG .337 Roger Joyce, BKN .334 Mark Silcox, BKN .333 Ben Giordano, PIT AL HOMERUNS 48 Charlton Brown, KCA 35 Arnie Stewart, NYA 32 John Degal, BOS NL HOMERUNS 42 Abe Arsenault, MLN 34 Mark Silcox, BKN 34 Ted McMurray, CIN AL RBI 105 John Degal, BOS 99 Charlton Brown, KCA 95 Arnie Stewart, NYA NL RBI 125 Mark Silcox, BKN 106 Abe Arsenault, MLN 96 Scotch Allen, STL 96 Bobby Johnson, CHN AL STEALS 49 Leo Emig, WSH 45 Mike Kreitenberg, BOS 41 Lucien Arbour, BOS NL STEALS 42 Asa Booker, PHI 37 Ben Cook, CIN 27 Cognac Allen, MLN AL ERA 2.07 Bourbon Allen Jr., NYA 2.19 Jackie Bowen, KCA 2.85 Martin Gwaltney, KCA NL ERA 2.32 Joe Helton, BKN 2.45 Randy Liebermann, CHN 3.18 Hank Makris, CIN AL WINS 23 Martin Gwaltney, KCA 17 Bourbon Allen Jr., NYA 16 Wolter Tjeenk-Willink, CLE 16 Roy Wolfe, DET 16 Tad Zonkas, KCA NL WINS 25 Joe Helton, BKN 21 Jack Schoonover, PIT 21 Ellis Weeks, CIN AL STRIKEOUTS 302 Lukas Dietrich, WSH 234 Carpenter Erickson, NYA 234 Lex Tjeenk-Willink, CLE NL STRIKEOUTS 269 Joe Helton, BKN 237 Randy Liebermann, CHN 150 Adam Sardina, CHN AL SAVES 33 Cal Granger, KCA 27 John Patterson, DET 19 Steven Leach, BAL NL SAVES 25 Gene Lopez, CHN 25 Chris Delp, CIN 22 Barry Sammons, BKN

07-08-2005, 08:01 PM	#4728
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	Look at Abe Arsenault! What a trade that turned out to be. __________________ None Blog it.

07-07-2005, 03:10 AM	#4725
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	1957 NL "elected" All Star Starters: C Bailey (CIN) 1B Musial (STL) 2B Temple (CIN) SS Hoak (CIN) 3B McMillian (CIN) OF Robinson (CIN) OF Bell (CIN) OF Post (CIN) Post and Bell were kicked off the team. Hoak and McMillian were allowed one PA then sent to the bench. So it was more extreme in Real Life. Baseball took the vote away from the fans around this time. John

07-08-2005, 11:16 PM	#4731
ifspuds Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 2,117	That's a true story, too. I just read about who actually did it, and now I've forgotten who it was. __________________ Jeff Watson Former dynasty writer and online league player, now mostly retired

07-09-2005, 01:07 AM	#4735
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	i used to have that on VHS and would watch it over and over again. good stuff __________________ PT21 PT22

07-09-2005, 10:33 PM	#4736
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	> Oh, I just finished watching the 1950s > chapter of Ken Burns' Baseball. Wow > what a documentary. I got it a month > ago as a late birthday present, and it > is just awesome. I think it's a bit hit and miss. One running problem is that has stretches of being too NY-centric. Granted, with the Yankees, Giants and Dodgers, the games often had stretches of being NY-centric. But in the series, that focus took the spotlight away from other stories that are important, rich and deserved their moment. The 1969 Mets are given more time than the 1966-74 O's who were... like... better. Or the 1986 Mets getting more time than the 1988-92 A's. That was a mild annoyance, balanced out through the 1960s by lots of really good stuff in it. I think the more major issue with the documentary is that Inning 9 covering 1970 through the very early 1990s is extremely weak. It handled two items well - Aaron's chase, and the 800th time the 1975 World Series has been pimped to high heaven. It's just too big of a period, with too many different storylines (both feel-good and critical to the game) going on to stuff into 1 episode. Since it came at the end of the documentary, it's just left a very bad taste in my mouth at the close. John

07-10-2005, 11:48 AM	#4738
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	I thoroughly enjoyed the 1800s thru 1920s... my favorite periods anyway. I agree it's NY-centric. I don't mind hearing about how the Yanks,Giants,Dodgers were so importanat & what it was like w/ the 2 teams left, but weren't there 13 other teams? __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

07-10-2005, 09:37 PM	#4739
Mucho Macho Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 73	Looks like my father and uncle are doing pretty well, even though my dad took a hit in movement. Thankfully the 60's are coming up....less HR __________________ "Things could be worse. Suppose your errors were counted everyday and published...like those of a baseball player." - Unknown

07-10-2005, 09:42 PM	#4740
pat Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 2,748	Dang, why the sudden surge of the birds? I thought we're going to stay at the lower-tier of the standings. __________________ Co-Founder & Technical Director at ExaWeb Corporation, an SEO company in the Philippines. Previous Leagues - Time Warp Baseball / International Federation of Baseball / Professional Baseball Replay League / No Pepper Baseball League / MLB Pro Current OOTP 24 Leagues - Sim Sports Gaming - (2016-Present) Washington Nationals (2016-2022) *2017 Champions Oakland Athletics (2023-Present)