OOTP6 - speed up release ? - OPEN for comments - Page 23

Mds7361 · 04-04-2004, 05:55 PM

I sure could go for some chocolate now.

Steve Kuffrey · 04-04-2004, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by JDScorch
Go ahead and take your refund, and then kick yourself later when you have to pay full price, when the feature is delivered as promised. By the way, where was the post by Marcus saying the feature would never be implemented? All I saw was a designer trying to get the rest of the game out quicker....

This is fine and fully within his right to do and we have no problems with them taking this action.

thomamon · 04-04-2004, 05:59 PM

But knowing it is coming in 2 - 3 weeks, why not just wait? Are youg oing to pay an additional $9.00 for it when the update comes out?

TM

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Originally posted by Max Voodoo
I was quite happy with the OOTP5 I purchased a few months ago, but when I found out H2H was going to be in OOTP6, I rushed to purchase it. Now I find the rug is being pulled out and the feature may never be implemented. Without H2H, I could just keep playing OOTP5 and have pretty much the same game. "It will be in the patch" is a standard fallback position of companies when they release games, so who knows if we will actually ever see it.

At this point, I'd like a refund so I can spend my money on a game I don't already have.

merlin9761 · 04-04-2004, 06:02 PM

i think its ridiculous to ask for a refund now when you know u will end up buying it later for full price.Save yourself a kick in the ass and dont get the refund.

Andy D · 04-04-2004, 06:26 PM

I don't know why Markus started this hype about a possible early release version. Indications were that the development and testing was going according to plan. I think most people were laid back and understanding about the whole release thing and willing to accept whenever it was going to eventually come out. Then this post shows up asking how many people would want the game early with the H2H left out, and the flood gates opened and then some. I believe then everybody thought it would be out in a day or couple of days. Everybody is all hyped up again about nothing. If Steve's reply to posts about the game's release it that "OOTP6 will be released when it is done" then why was there ever talk about releasing the game before it is done?

ridge · 04-04-2004, 06:38 PM

i totally agree with Andy D,

why start all this hype and leave eveyone hanging

Ragnar · 04-04-2004, 06:38 PM

I don't think they expected all these decenting comments. Because lets face it. H2H has not been a part of this game. They were trying to please the majority. Then everyone started attacking eachother. As much as I enjoy reading all of that it will probably be all for nothing and they will probably do exactly what they said. In fact i'm pretty surprised the "NO" votes are at 100. That is impressive for a game that never had H2H.

thomamon · 04-04-2004, 06:41 PM

Again, people don't seem to quite understand what Markus is saying... Markus asked if he should concentrate on finishing the rest of the game before finalizing H2H so that he can release it sooner. So it's not as if he is releasing a game that is not fully functional and tested. Everything up till the H2H will be tested and ready when released.

85% of people are in favor of this, it's not even a close vote. If you run a company and you can satisfy 85% of people you do it. Believe me, you would much rather satisfy the majority, not the minority. The rest of you will still get what you want, just a couple of weeks early. Why wait and have poor Markus try and rush out H2H when he can take a little longer time that he needs and get it done without hearing everyone else asking when is the release. This way, everyone is satisfied.

TM

Quote:

Originally posted by Andy D
I don't know why Markus started this hype about a possible early release version. Indications were that the development and testing was going according to plan. I think most people were laid back and understanding about the whole release thing and willing to accept whenever it was going to eventually come out. Then this post shows up asking how many people would want the game early with the H2H left out, and the flood gates opened and then some. I believe then everybody thought it would be out in a day or couple of days. Everybody is all hyped up again about nothing. If Steve's reply to posts about the game's release it that "OOTP6 will be released when it is done" then why was there ever talk about releasing the game before it is done?

Ben E Lou · 04-04-2004, 06:44 PM

Ummmmm....

Yes, Markus said that if he leaves out H2H in the release build, it would be out "faster."

Nowhere did he say or indicate that it would be out "in a day or a couple of days." To the contrary, Steve informed us that a release is *NOT* imminent, and Markus said that he had hoped to get the game out by April 15th, but that he might be able to save about week by leaving out H2H. *IF* he chooses to go that route (and we don't know that he willl) that means that he would hope that he could get the game out roughly by April 8th.

If people choose to make up their own timetables, rather than reading what OOTP Developments staff members are telling us, that's not OOTP's fault...

Lamorak · 04-04-2004, 07:21 PM

Exellent.
Skydogs explaination above seems to be a *perfect* summary of the current situation.

I say 'wow' because I've read SO many posts on this topic, I can't believe it can summed that succinctly! Bang on. Someone should sticky just that post so I can read it everytime I start to loose perspective.

marc · 04-04-2004, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by SkyDog
Ummmmm....

Yes, Markus said that if he leaves out H2H in the release build, it would be out "faster."

Nowhere did he say or indicate that it would be out "in a day or a couple of days." To the contrary, Steve informed us that a release is *NOT* imminent, and Markus said that he had hoped to get the game out by April 15th, but that he might be able to save about week by leaving out H2H. *IF* he chooses to go that route (and we don't know that he willl) that means that he would hope that he could get the game out roughly by April 8th.

If people choose to make up their own timetables, rather than reading what OOTP Developments staff members are telling us, that's not OOTP's fault...

I've been keeping up to date with this thread and how out of control it has been getting but I have yet to post until now because this is my exact feelings on this matter. The game will be out soon enough, have some trust in these guys they haven't let us down yet!

JerseyPride · 04-04-2004, 08:16 PM

Do we know at all what Markus has decided to do?

El Zorro · 04-04-2004, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thomamon
Again, people don't seem to quite understand what Markus is saying... Markus asked if he should concentrate on finishing the rest of the game before finalizing H2H so that he can release it sooner. So it's not as if he is releasing a game that is not fully functional and tested. Everything up till the H2H will be tested and ready when released.

85% of people are in favor of this, it's not even a close vote. If you run a company and you can satisfy 85% of people you do it. Believe me, you would much rather satisfy the majority, not the minority. The rest of you will still get what you want, just a couple of weeks early. Why wait and have poor Markus try and rush out H2H when he can take a little longer time that he needs and get it done without hearing everyone else asking when is the release. This way, everyone is satisfied.

TM

I think this post can end now. Thomamon has said it all. Great post..................................Z

Steve Kuffrey · 04-04-2004, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JerseyPride
Do we know at all what Markus has decided to do?

No

thomamon · 04-04-2004, 08:31 PM

Thanks Zorro!

Jersey Pride, there has been no decision announced about what he has decided to do. With any luck we will sign on tomorrow and version 6 will be released, lol!

TM

04-04-2004, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SkyDog
Ummmmm....

Yes, Markus said that if he leaves out H2H in the release build, it would be out "faster."

Nowhere did he say or indicate that it would be out "in a day or a couple of days." To the contrary, Steve informed us that a release is *NOT* imminent, and Markus said that he had hoped to get the game out by April 15th, but that he might be able to save about week by leaving out H2H. *IF* he chooses to go that route (and we don't know that he willl) that means that he would hope that he could get the game out roughly by April 8th.

If people choose to make up their own timetables, rather than reading what OOTP Developments staff members are telling us, that's not OOTP's fault...

I beleive I said something close to this about 150 posts ago. I was a little less diplomatic about it because I just called a spade a spade. Kudos for using more tact, I guess.

So, needless to say, I agree. I look at some of these posts and wonder what in the blue hell these people are reading. Then it dawns on me... maybe they're not reading at all.

[Shrugs]

Jase

04-04-2004, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Max Voodoo
Now I find the rug is being pulled out and the feature may never be implemented. Without H2H,

Amigo, can you please link me up to where this was said by someone associated with the development of the game?

Jase

yankeesrule · 04-04-2004, 09:05 PM

Basically someone somewhere along the way said "Hey, now they're not gonna give us H2H and they're trying to screw us all over" and now everyones going crazy over something that was never said by anyone related in any way to the game. Everyone assosiated with the game keeps saying that it will be, just a matter of a few more weeks so if we wanted they could give us the game without H2H to play around while they put the final touches on H2H and make sure it all works.

Cardinal Rule · 04-04-2004, 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by avwjase
I look at some of these posts and wonder what in the blue hell these people are reading. Then it dawns on me... maybe they're not reading at all.

Bingo! Ladies and gentleman, we have a winner!

But my what fun some are having arguing the finer points of the release date...

TopShelf · 04-05-2004, 01:42 AM

Personally, its a very tough thing to point a Yes or no, on where to put the H2H

You have to keep in mind, the OOTP newsletter was sent out, with things to make US prepay for OOTP6. Nothing in that newsletter said "pending confimration or waiting on something". We were given the newsletter, with H2H saying it was to do with OOTP6. It never said how it will be if it will work correct, but how it was said, it would be there

What I am trying to say is, the guy buying OOTP6 wants to know what is in it, and the guy selling him OOTP6 wants to make sure he is giving him alot or many good things in the program

Maybe the newsletter was ahead of itself? Maybe it wasnt ready to be sent out, if the game isnt even ready to what was ON the newsletter

I think its very hard for the buyers to sit and be happy, when a poll is posted to see what WE want for the game WE already payed for.

I think that poll and all this should of been done BEFORE the newsletter thats all.

I think there is a difference if a prepaid feature was never applied, and then these changes may take place. Right now, to some it looks like we were asked to pay up some coin for something we thought we were getting, then it is now up for debate on a forum if we will be getting what we wanted

To me, 2 weeks, 4 weeks, 10 weeks until the H2H is fine with me, but all I want is for it to WORK. Right now, I am a little sketched on that, more then I would be if this was not brought up to a poll and so on. We all had to wait a few months, and 2 weeks is no longer, for something to be in there, that should be.

I think all this talk should of been left out of it, and just do what you have to or need to do.

No matter if you put H2H in, or you dont for the first version, there will be guys who havent read this thread, and go to dled it when it comes out, not to see h2h and be upset

View Poll Results: Should I initially leave out the head-to-head feature for the release version?
YES, I wouldn't use it anyway, give me the game as soon as possible.	627	85.31%
No, I want this feature fully implemented in the release version.	108	14.69%
Voters: 735. You may not vote on this poll

04-04-2004, 06:02 PM	#444
merlin9761 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: seattle(NYC native) Posts: 77	i think its ridiculous to ask for a refund now when you know u will end up buying it later for full price.Save yourself a kick in the ass and dont get the refund. __________________ "If you don't know where you are going,you will wind up someplace else" - Yogi Berra

04-04-2004, 08:16 PM	#452
JerseyPride All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dirtay Jerzey Posts: 951	Do we know at all what Markus has decided to do? __________________ "I guess you could call the Yanks my daddys." -Pedro Martinez

04-04-2004, 08:31 PM	#455
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	Thanks Zorro! Jersey Pride, there has been no decision announced about what he has decided to do. With any luck we will sign on tomorrow and version 6 will be released, lol! TM __________________ Thomas A. Montalto Please check out my Stupid Little Blog - http://www.stupidlittleblog.com

04-05-2004, 01:42 AM	#460
TopShelf Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: B.C Canada Posts: 110	Personally, its a very tough thing to point a Yes or no, on where to put the H2H You have to keep in mind, the OOTP newsletter was sent out, with things to make US prepay for OOTP6. Nothing in that newsletter said "pending confimration or waiting on something". We were given the newsletter, with H2H saying it was to do with OOTP6. It never said how it will be if it will work correct, but how it was said, it would be there What I am trying to say is, the guy buying OOTP6 wants to know what is in it, and the guy selling him OOTP6 wants to make sure he is giving him alot or many good things in the program Maybe the newsletter was ahead of itself? Maybe it wasnt ready to be sent out, if the game isnt even ready to what was ON the newsletter I think its very hard for the buyers to sit and be happy, when a poll is posted to see what WE want for the game WE already payed for. I think that poll and all this should of been done BEFORE the newsletter thats all. I think there is a difference if a prepaid feature was never applied, and then these changes may take place. Right now, to some it looks like we were asked to pay up some coin for something we thought we were getting, then it is now up for debate on a forum if we will be getting what we wanted To me, 2 weeks, 4 weeks, 10 weeks until the H2H is fine with me, but all I want is for it to WORK. Right now, I am a little sketched on that, more then I would be if this was not brought up to a poll and so on. We all had to wait a few months, and 2 weeks is no longer, for something to be in there, that should be. I think all this talk should of been left out of it, and just do what you have to or need to do. No matter if you put H2H in, or you dont for the first version, there will be guys who havent read this thread, and go to dled it when it comes out, not to see h2h and be upset __________________ http://www.aaronsmart.com/]-(Founder)- "Don’t water the pavement. Position your sprinkler so water lands on the lawn not on pavement"

04-04-2004, 05:55 PM	#441
Mds7361 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 72	I sure could go for some chocolate now.

04-04-2004, 06:26 PM	#445
Andy D Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Harrisburg, PA Posts: 6	I don't know why Markus started this hype about a possible early release version. Indications were that the development and testing was going according to plan. I think most people were laid back and understanding about the whole release thing and willing to accept whenever it was going to eventually come out. Then this post shows up asking how many people would want the game early with the H2H left out, and the flood gates opened and then some. I believe then everybody thought it would be out in a day or couple of days. Everybody is all hyped up again about nothing. If Steve's reply to posts about the game's release it that "OOTP6 will be released when it is done" then why was there ever talk about releasing the game before it is done?

04-04-2004, 06:38 PM	#446
ridge Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: detroit Posts: 165	i totally agree with Andy D, why start all this hype and leave eveyone hanging

04-04-2004, 06:38 PM	#447
Ragnar Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,632	I don't think they expected all these decenting comments. Because lets face it. H2H has not been a part of this game. They were trying to please the majority. Then everyone started attacking eachother. As much as I enjoy reading all of that it will probably be all for nothing and they will probably do exactly what they said. In fact i'm pretty surprised the "NO" votes are at 100. That is impressive for a game that never had H2H.

04-04-2004, 06:44 PM	#449
Ben E Lou Front Office Football Central Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Souf Cackilacky Posts: 1,762	Ummmmm.... Yes, Markus said that if he leaves out H2H in the release build, it would be out "faster." Nowhere did he say or indicate that it would be out "in a day or a couple of days." To the contrary, Steve informed us that a release is NOT imminent, and Markus said that he had hoped to get the game out by April 15th, but that he might be able to save about week by leaving out H2H. IF he chooses to go that route (and we don't know that he willl) that means that he would hope that he could get the game out roughly by April 8th. If people choose to make up their own timetables, rather than reading what OOTP Developments staff members are telling us, that's not OOTP's fault...

04-04-2004, 07:21 PM	#450
Lamorak Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 195	Exellent. Skydogs explaination above seems to be a perfect summary of the current situation. I say 'wow' because I've read SO many posts on this topic, I can't believe it can summed that succinctly! Bang on. Someone should sticky just that post so I can read it everytime I start to loose perspective.

04-04-2004, 09:05 PM	#458
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	Basically someone somewhere along the way said "Hey, now they're not gonna give us H2H and they're trying to screw us all over" and now everyones going crazy over something that was never said by anyone related in any way to the game. Everyone assosiated with the game keeps saying that it will be, just a matter of a few more weeks so if we wanted they could give us the game without H2H to play around while they put the final touches on H2H and make sure it all works.