The European football thread - Page 227

ukhotstove · 09-29-2006, 02:45 PM

25 years ago this weekend since the death of Bill Shankly one of the greatest managers ever, if it weren't for Shankly Liverpool would probably be playing Accrington Stanley or the likes this weekend.

He took Liverpool to 3 1st division titles, 2 FA Cups, 1 UEFA Cup and a 2nd division title and laid the foundations for every Liverpool success since.

He was a funny man but people took him too serious when he said such things as "football isn't a matter of life or death it's more important" which he said tongue in cheek, he also said when he was manager at Anfield that he had the best two teams on merseyside Liverpool and Liverpool reserves.

I'd put Shankly in the top five British managers with Bob Paisley, Jock Stein, Brian Clough and Alex Ferguson. I'd put Bob Paisley top of the list as imo he's the greatest manager of all time not only in England and Europe but worldwide, the other's would have to be equal second as Shankly, Ferguson and Clough all built teams from scratch and Stein took a Celtic team to European glory in 67 with a team made up of all Scottish players which I can pretty much guarentee will never happen again.

bababui · 09-29-2006, 03:05 PM

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There are different challenges in FM than taking a low league team and taking them up a division or two, like taking Ajax to their past European glorys or trying to win the treble with Man Utd, no disrespect but it would be a boring game if we all wanted to be Leigh or Barrow or any other non league team.

It maybe easy to take over a team like Partizan or Red Star or ther teams like that but try winning a European trophy when you only have £50,000 to spend and other teams have £20 million to spend.

Good points, Good luck in whichever direction you choose to go.

ukhotstove · 09-29-2006, 03:53 PM

Great game coming up on the 1st, Hajduk Split v Dinamo Zagreb, two of the biggest teams in Croatian football but also the top two teams in the division this season by some margin, what I would give to go watch that game.

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bababui · 09-29-2006, 03:56 PM

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Great game coming up on the 1st, Hajduk Split v Dinamo Zagreb, two of the biggest teams in Croatian football but also the top two teams in the division this season by some margin, what I would give to go watch that game.

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Arent there trains or airplanes in the Bolton area??

ukhotstove · 09-29-2006, 04:08 PM

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Arent there trains or airplanes in the Bolton area??

WTF grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I don't live in Bolton, did you know that Bolton's ground is actually closer to Wigan than it is to Bolton and that really Bolton Wanderers should be called Lostock Wanderers.

ukhotstove · 09-29-2006, 04:09 PM

Actually it wouldn't cost that much to go watch it, cheap flights to Croatia and tickets to games are real cheap, in fact probably cost less to go watch that game than it would say to go watch Wigan play at Chelsea.

bababui · 09-29-2006, 04:10 PM

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WTF grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I don't live in Bolton, did you know that Bolton's ground is actually closer to Wigan than it is to Bolton and that really Bolton Wanderers should be called Lostock Wanderers.

The Lostock Wanderers would sound a bit :randy:

bababui · 09-29-2006, 04:11 PM

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Actually it wouldn't cost that much to go watch it, cheap flights to Croatia and tickets to games are real cheap, in fact probably cost less to go watch that game than it would say to go watch Wigan play at Chelsea.

And the women in Croatia are HOT

Sdpm100 · 09-29-2006, 04:12 PM

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Great game coming up on the 1st, Hajduk Split v Dinamo Zagreb, two of the biggest teams in Croatian football but also the top two teams in the division this season by some margin, what I would give to go watch that game.

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That is a super cool looking table, dude. Much nicer than HTML.

bababui · 09-29-2006, 04:15 PM

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That is a super cool looking table, dude. Much nicer than HTML.

You left out the :swoon:

bababui · 09-29-2006, 04:15 PM

SDPM..am I correct to say that you are only 50 miles outside of London?

Sdpm100 · 09-29-2006, 04:17 PM

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You left out the :swoon:

No need. The :swoon: is in my avatar nowadays.

Sdpm100 · 09-29-2006, 04:18 PM

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SDPM..am I correct to say that you are only 50 miles outside of London?

No. 100 miles.

bababui · 09-29-2006, 04:18 PM

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No need. The :swoon: is in my avatar nowadays.

That would mean the :barf: is in my avatar.

bababui · 09-29-2006, 04:19 PM

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No. 100 miles.

Can a train make the journey in like 90 minutes? It would be fun for you to spend saturday in London every know and then and be back in time for bed.

Sdpm100 · 09-29-2006, 04:22 PM

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Can a train make the journey in like 90 minutes? It would be fun for you to spend saturday in London every know and then and be back in time for bed.

No. About 2 1/4 hours.

bababui · 09-29-2006, 04:24 PM

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No. About 2 1/4 hours.

I thought they had those superfast magnetic trains all over England. Its funny though because thats about as long as it takes to go from Los Angeles to San Diego.

Sdpm100 · 09-29-2006, 04:34 PM

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I thought they had those superfast magnetic trains all over England. Its funny though because thats about as long as it takes to go from Los Angeles to San Diego.

No we haven't got those. We run diesel and electric trains on routes that have been there for the best part of 100 years in most cases.

An example of that is that to get to London you actually go slightly west to start with as the train stops at Gloucester and then goes in the reverse direction of travel as it leaves, as that is the way it was setup.

So if you don't like going backwards you should sit that way for the 10 minutes travel from Cheltenham Spa so you are in the right way for the rest of the journey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Valley_Line
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelten...ailway_station

bababui · 09-29-2006, 04:37 PM

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No we haven't got those. We run diesel and electric trains on routes that have been there for the best part of 100 years in most cases.

An example of that is that to get to London you actually go slightly west to start with as the train stops at Gloucester and then goes in the reverse direction of travel as it leaves, as that is the way it was setup.

So if you don't like going backwards you should sit that way for the 10 minutes travel from Cheltenham Spa so you are in the right way for the rest of the journey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Valley_Line
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelten...ailway_station

How is Cheltenham spa? How cool does that sound? Is it free for everyone to use?

Sdpm100 · 09-29-2006, 04:41 PM

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How is Cheltenham spa? How cool does that sound? Is it free for everyone to use?

You have to pay a small amount, so that the pumps can be kept in good condition, but yes anyone can go and get the spa water if they want.

09-29-2006, 02:45 PM	#4521
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	25 years ago this weekend since the death of Bill Shankly one of the greatest managers ever, if it weren't for Shankly Liverpool would probably be playing Accrington Stanley or the likes this weekend. He took Liverpool to 3 1st division titles, 2 FA Cups, 1 UEFA Cup and a 2nd division title and laid the foundations for every Liverpool success since. He was a funny man but people took him too serious when he said such things as "football isn't a matter of life or death it's more important" which he said tongue in cheek, he also said when he was manager at Anfield that he had the best two teams on merseyside Liverpool and Liverpool reserves. I'd put Shankly in the top five British managers with Bob Paisley, Jock Stein, Brian Clough and Alex Ferguson. I'd put Bob Paisley top of the list as imo he's the greatest manager of all time not only in England and Europe but worldwide, the other's would have to be equal second as Shankly, Ferguson and Clough all built teams from scratch and Stein took a Celtic team to European glory in 67 with a team made up of all Scottish players which I can pretty much guarentee will never happen again. __________________ Detroit Diesel Dynasty San Antonio Calzones of Laredo Dynasty

09-29-2006, 03:53 PM	#4523
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	Great game coming up on the 1st, Hajduk Split v Dinamo Zagreb, two of the biggest teams in Croatian football but also the top two teams in the division this season by some margin, what I would give to go watch that game. Attachment 56151 __________________ Detroit Diesel Dynasty San Antonio Calzones of Laredo Dynasty Last edited by ukhotstove; 03-29-2007 at 12:44 PM.

09-29-2006, 04:09 PM	#4526
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	Actually it wouldn't cost that much to go watch it, cheap flights to Croatia and tickets to games are real cheap, in fact probably cost less to go watch that game than it would say to go watch Wigan play at Chelsea. __________________ Detroit Diesel Dynasty San Antonio Calzones of Laredo Dynasty

09-29-2006, 04:15 PM	#4531
bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	SDPM..am I correct to say that you are only 50 miles outside of London?