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Old 04-01-2005, 06:07 PM   #4241
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I'm gonna do the complete defensive Win Shares a little later, but I can check on Dietrich now...

He was the 4th best fielding CF, behind Young, Huschke, and Wynne. Young pretty much laps the field, though.
Thanks. I knew he was better than his '4' range rating.
He has a strong arm and excellent fielding %
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Old 04-02-2005, 12:37 AM   #4242
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I just realized this, and I wonder if Matt did too.

As it turns out, the picture Matt used for Dodge Lee is that of an actual Hall of Famer. Anyone care to guess who it is?

I'd be amazed if there was more than 1 case of this in TWB. Hall of Fame player with another Hall of Fame picture.
Since no one guessed, it's Paul Waner. His brother Lloyd's photo was also used for Buck Anderson, who pitched for the Red Sox, Cubs, Indians, A's, Phils and Braves from 1927-44... Went 144-153 with a 3.96 ERA.
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Old 04-02-2005, 12:52 AM   #4243
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Since no one guessed, it's Paul Waner. His brother Lloyd's photo was also used for Buck Anderson, who pitched for the Red Sox, Cubs, Indians, A's, Phils and Braves from 1927-44... Went 144-153 with a 3.96 ERA.
After your hint, I knew it was either "Big Poison" or Little Poison", but I didn't want to just blurt it out.
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Old 04-02-2005, 01:03 AM   #4244
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Here are the Defensive Win Shares by position:

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Catcher

Rank    Player 	        Team 	Year 	Batting Fielding Total 

1.    	Alton Kee 	BKN 	1953 	14.0 	8.2 	 22.2 	 
2.    	Emil Pelto 	  	1953 	16.1 	7.8 	 24.2 	 
3.    	Thomas Kruyt 	SLA 	1953 	7.2 	7.7 	 14.9 	 
4.    	Bud Mobley 	CHA 	1953 	4.4 	7.5 	 11.9 	 
5.    	Biff Betters 	CIN 	1953 	12.5 	6.9 	 19.3
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First Basemen

Rank    Player 	        Team 	Year 	Batting Fielding Total 
	
1.    	Arnie Stewart 	NYA 	1953 	22.1 	3.7 	25.9 	 
2.    	Champagne Allen CHA 	1953 	11.3 	3.0 	14.3 	 
3.    	Ken Chaucer 	MLN 	1953 	25.6 	3.0 	28.5 	 
4.    	Ben Giordano 	PIT 	1953 	23.9 	2.9 	27.1 	 
5.    	Lonny Arrendale PHI 	1953 	21.3 	2.8 	24.1
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Second Basemen

Rank    Player 	        Team 	Year 	Batting Fielding Total 
	
1.    	Herm Vardaman 	PIT 	1953 	25.1 	10.1 	35.3 	 
2.    	Rex Seelinger 	STL 	1953 	19.9 	7.7 	27.6 	 
3.    	Dean Parente 	NYA 	1953 	11.2 	7.2 	18.4 	 
4.    	John Valcarcel 	CLE 	1953 	17.2 	6.9 	24.1 	 
5.    	Matt Perly 	DET 	1953 	28.0 	5.9 	34.1
Code:
Third Basemen

Rank    Player 	        Team 	Year 	Batting Fielding Total 
	
1.    	Jim Dunkel 	NYA 	1953 	14.8 	6.2 	21.0 	 
2.    	Genarito Nunez 	STL 	1953 	17.9 	4.6 	22.5 	 
3.    	Jim Coleman 	PHI 	1953 	12.4 	4.3 	16.6 	 
4.    	Cliff Bass 	BKN 	1953 	0.0 	4.2 	4.3 	 
5.    	Nick Pursell 	NYG 	1953 	9.5 	4.0 	13.6
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Shortstops

Rank    Player 	        Team 	Year 	Batting Fielding Total 
	
1.    	Donald Medart 	CHA 	1953 	1.4 	7.6 	9.1 	 
2.    	Roger Joyce 	BKN 	1953 	2.5 	7.5 	10.1 	 
3.    	B. Gljivica 	PHI 	1953 	2.5 	7.3 	9.9 	 
4.    	Wilbur Taylor 	CHN 	1953 	13.3 	6.8 	20.1 	 
5.    	David Castaneda DET 	1953 	9.9 	6.6 	16.5
Code:
Leftfielders

Rank    Player 	        Team 	Year 	Batting Fielding Total 
	
1.    	Chester Munch 	PIT 	1953 	9.5 	5.8 	15.3 	 
2.    	Jesse Baker 	NYA 	1953 	15.0 	5.8 	20.8 	 
3.    	Don Myer 	CHN 	1953 	21.4 	5.5 	26.9 	 
4.    	Al Jackson 	CLE 	1953 	7.1 	2.7 	9.8 	 
5.    	Ferdinand Perez CHA 	1953 	6.7 	2.7 	9.4
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Centerfielders

Rank    Player 	        Team 	Year 	Batting Fielding Total 
	
1.    	John Young 	NYA 	1953 	18.2 	8.9 	27.0 	 
2.    	Albert Huschke 	PIT 	1953 	10.5 	7.2 	17.7 	 
3.    	Cliff Wynne 	CHN 	1953 	20.9 	6.4 	27.4 	 
4.    	Rudel Dietrich 	CLE 	1953 	27.9 	5.0 	32.9 	 
5.    	Harry Badeau 	PHA 	1953 	18.7 	4.3 	23.0
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Rightfielders

Rank    Player 	        Team 	Year 	Batting Fielding Total 
	
1.    	William Perry 	PIT 	1953 	14.2 	5.4 	19.7 	 
2.    	C. Hulliberger 	CHN 	1953 	13.1 	4.9 	18.1 	 
3.    	Stu Cripps 	  	1953 	8.2 	4.2 	12.5 	 
4.    	Frank Winsett 	CLE 	1953 	7.9 	3.0 	10.9 	 
5.    	Wil Griffin 	WSH 	1953 	7.1 	2.9 	10.0
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Old 04-02-2005, 01:16 AM   #4245
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Thanks very much DY. I have catobase running now & it's taking forever. I think it's been running for 2 or 4 hours. Can't remember.
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Old 04-02-2005, 01:25 AM   #4246
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1953 Postseason

World Series Champs - Detroit Tigers 4th Pennant, 3rd WS Title

NL Champs - St. Louis Cardinals 8th Pennant


AL BOY: Ray Kress, DET, .378, 37 HR, 126 RBI, 157 BB
NL BOY: Ben Giordano, PIT, .351, 33 HR, 131 RBI

AL POY: Corky Stell, DET, 26-7, 2.46 ERA, 122 K, 81 BB - Back-to-Back POYs!
NL POY: Martin Gwaltney, PIT, 25-5, 2.39 ERA, 239 K, 67 BB

1952 was the first ever POY for Pittsburgh... So this is obviously the first time they have won the POY and BOY in the same season.

AL ROY: Champagne Allen, CHA, .256, 18 HR, 81 RBI
NL ROY: Paul Lett, PHI, .307, 28 HR, 83 RBI

AL AVG: Ray Kress, DET, .378
NL AVG: Ogden Wing, STL, .358

AL HR: Matt Perly, DET, 40 - Just the 6th player in history to hit 40!
NL HR: Joe Rodabaugh, NYG, 38

AL RBI: Matt Perly, DET, 138
NL RBI: Ben Giordano, PIT, 131

AL SB: Francis Gilmartin, BOS, 30
NL SB: Ben Cook, STL, 64

AL ERA: Corky Stell, DET, 2.46
NL ERA: Martin Gwaltney, PIT, 2.39

AL Wins: Corky Stell, DET 26
NL Wins: Grady Ingram, STL, 26

AL K's: Don Allen, SLA, 210
NL K's: Randy Liebermann, CHN, 249

AL Saves: Oscar Villalpando, NYA, 24
NL Saves: Johnny Gundich, CHN, 27


Major League Records (if old record was long-standing, it's listed in parenthesis)

NONE

League Records

NONE

Team Records

BOS - 29-Game Hitting Streak, Morris Lutske

BKN - 83 Games Pitched, Del Peterson

CHA - 18 Rookie HR, Champagne Allen (17, Maurice Misisca, 1931)

CHN - 27 Saves, Johnny Gundich

CIN - 25 Saves, James Bajofer
CIN - 31 Homeruns, Ted McMurray (29, Ruben Schroeder, 1938)
CIN - 89 K's (Batter), Ralph Jones (85, Tim Frevele, 1938)
CIN - 18 Rookie HR, Ralph Jones

CLE - 22 Saves, Len Banty

DET - 76 Games Pitched, Sam Cole
DET - 157 Walks (Batter), Ray Kress

NYA - 24 Saves, Oscar Villalpando
NYA - 44 Doubles, Dean Parente (42, Steve Lindsey, 1927)
NYA - 37 Homeruns, Arnie Stewart (34, Jimmy Ditty, 1938)

PHI - 28 Rookie HR, Paul Lett

PIT - 80 Games Pitched, Henry Cavalluzzo
PIT - 25 Wins, Martin Gwaltney
PIT - 239 K's (Pitcher), Martin Gwaltney
PIT - 33 Homeruns, Ben Giordano
PIT - 131 RBI, Ben Giordano (120, Sam Kass, 1929)

SLA - 215 Hits, Dale Thompson
SLA - 101 K's (Batter), Tom Valeriano (90, Big Lou Zaitz, 1937)

STL - 21 Saves, Loren Cost
STL - 192 Walks (Pitcher), Gene Masarech (191, Randall Schaafsma, 1930)
STL - 220 K's (Pitcher), Grady Ingram (213, Vic Gorin, 1937) - Broke his manager's record

WSH - 13 Rookie HR, Bob Finley


Milestones

300 Homeruns - Ray Kress, DET - He is now 7th All-Time! A 35-HR season in 1954 would move him into 3rd AT.

1000 RBI - Ray Kress, DET
1000 RBI - Junior Nunez, STL
1000 RBI - Matt Perly, DET


Gold Gloves

1953 American League Winners

Pitcher: george Kauffman, CLE
Catcher: Thomas Kruyt, SLA
First Base: Bob Finley, WSH
Second Base: Bobby Grissom, WSH
Third Base: Bud Ayers, PHA
Shortstop: Victor Estevez, CLE - 2 straight!
Leftfield: Ferdinand Perez, CHA
Centerfield: John Young, NYA
Rightfield: Stu Cripps, NYA - 2 straight!


1953 National League Winners

Pitcher: Hank Makris, CIN
Catcher: Chuck Rauch, CHN - 3 straight!
First Base: Ted McMurray, CIN - 3 straight!
Second Base: Maurice Goza, CIN - 3 straight!
Third Base: James Jones, CIN
Shortstop: Dennis Ward, CIN - 2 straight!
Leftfield: Chester Munch
Centerfield: Mark Silcox, BKN
Rightfield: Chris Hulliberger, CHN - 3 straight!


American League-Pitcher of the Month:
Corky Stell (DET)!
He had a record of 5-1 in 6 games started, with an ERA of 2.12.

American League-Batter of the Month:
Ray Kress (DET)!
He batted .432 in 74 AB, with 4 homers and 15 RBI.

National League-Pitcher of the Month:
Denny Evers (CHN)!
He had a record of 4-1 in 5 games started, with an ERA of 1.24.

National League-Batter of the Month:
Bobby Johnson (CHN)!
He batted .381 in 84 AB, with 9 homers and 23 RBI.
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Old 04-02-2005, 02:01 AM   #4247
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Congratulations to "Samoan Ben" and Martin Gwaltney (now there's a guy that needs a nickname) on their awards. Gold Glove in left field for Chester Munch. Most wins ever by a Pirates squad (just edging the 1908 Pirates, who won 92).

Just that one little thing went missing. Lots accomplished by this team, though.
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Old 04-02-2005, 11:01 AM   #4248
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Damn...Boris and Vasily are not doing too well. My other guys are just twiddling their thumbs, too
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Old 04-02-2005, 11:08 AM   #4249
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wow what a year for records to die in Cincy!

and look at that GG infield. probably the first time ever that the whole IF won a GG on the same team.

except for Betters (robbed again?)
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Old 04-02-2005, 11:43 AM   #4250
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Damn...Boris and Vasily are not doing too well. My other guys are just twiddling their thumbs, too
Boris is really coming around though. He looked like he was going to wash up a few years ago but has really rejuvinated himself. He should be an all-star one day.
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Old 04-02-2005, 01:32 PM   #4251
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Boris is really coming around though. He looked like he was going to wash up a few years ago but has really rejuvinated himself. He should be an all-star one day.
He's really come around. And now that Middleton has retired, we can say that is the worst trade in the Live Era.
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He's really come around. And now that Middleton has retired, we can say that is the worst trade in the Live Era.
i would have though that "honour" would belong to Brooklyn or myself
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Old 04-02-2005, 02:34 PM   #4253
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I get:
P Ernie Middleton (retired at 34 years old...after I acquired him, he sucked and was banished to the 'pen and then AAA for 3 years)

SLA gets:
3B Boris Zimyanin (currently 23, ratings: 6/4/4 over 6/7/5...ROY candidate last year)
P Bill Lovely (currently 21..ratings: 3/3/8 over 7/7/10...currently the second ranked prospect in the majors)

You do the math.
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I get:
P Ernie Middleton (retired at 34 years old...after I acquired him, he sucked and was banished to the 'pen and then AAA for 3 years)

SLA gets:
3B Boris Zimyanin (currently 23, ratings: 6/4/4 over 6/7/5...ROY candidate last year)
P Bill Lovely (currently 21..ratings: 3/3/8 over 7/7/10...currently the second ranked prospect in the majors)

You do the math.
Reminds me of Doyle Alexander, traded to the Tigers for a young Smoltz.

This trade stinks for the Braves, easily their worst. But Boris & Lovely will have to produce in the majors to eclipse the Dodgers gift... err, trade... of Rhino and Speedy to the Phils for Petty and the mistaken-identity O'Hara. Right now it's still speculation (but still a bad trade).
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> Congratulations to "Samoan Ben" and Martin
> Gwaltney (now there's a guy that needs a
> nickname) on their awards.

I just call him "Gwalt". Almost Walt.


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Congratulations to "Samoan Ben" and Martin Gwaltney (now there's a guy that needs a nickname) on their awards.
G-Dub? Anyone?

No...?
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Old 04-02-2005, 05:31 PM   #4257
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Just looked at the draft pool and saw that my first ancestor in the league, Leo Emig, is a STUD!!! Whoever picks him I'm definitely gonna have to root for!
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Old 04-02-2005, 05:35 PM   #4258
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> and look at that GG infield. probably the first
> time ever that the whole IF won a GG on the
> same team.

Nope. I wrote about one of these before:

1914 STL: 1B Sam Gardner, 2B Maurice Woodson, SS Palmer Starrett, 3B Terrey Christiansen

1921 BSN: 1B Donn Graham, 2B John Thiessen, SS Chip Houk, 3B Roy Drinkard

1953 CIN: 1B Ted McMurray, 2B Maurice Goza, SS Dennis Ward, 3B James Jones

The Woodson/Christiansen IF is probably the best of all-time. Woody won 12 GG. Christiansen won 7. In Woody's era the Cardinals first basemen also won 8 GG, the SS won 4, and the 3B won 8 (one in addition to Christiansen's 7).

Think about that for a moment.

From 1909-1920, 48 IF GG were given out in the NL.

The Cards won 32 of them.

The Reds have won 10 over the past three years. They have a long way to go.


> except for Betters (robbed again?)

Biff had an off throwing year for him - 37.9%. Still good, but Rauch was up at 46.7%. The negative in the vote was that Rauch was giving up 200+ innings to Biff. In a sense, that's not "Rauch's Fault" since it was an export error that cost him a SIM and 100+ innings.


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Old 04-02-2005, 05:36 PM   #4259
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Just looked at the draft pool and saw that my first ancestor in the league, Leo Emig, is a STUD!!! Whoever picks him I'm definitely gonna have to root for!
Will probably be me
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Old 04-02-2005, 05:49 PM   #4260
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Matt,

Can you edit these two into the ML Records:

OBP: .529 Ray Kress (.520 Woody Woodson, 1914)
OPS: 1.205 - Ray Kress (1.198 Kress, 1950)

OOTP doesn't track it in the "Record Book", so one has to look it up in other ways.

To me, the OBP is one of the Big Ones. It's like Bonds breaking Ted Williams' OBP mark that had been set back in 1941. Kress taking it from Woody is HUGE.

Modified from an post made during the season on the TB board:

Kress new holds two of the four Percentage marks:

BA: .445 - Levi Walls (1923)
OBP: .529 - Ray Kress (1953)
SLG: .709 - Oscar Vancini (1937)
OPS: 1.205 - Ray Kress (1953)

At one time, it looked like this:

BA: .444 - Woody Woodson (1914)
OBP: .520 - Woody Woodson (1914)
SLG: .662 - Woody Woodson (1914)
OPS: 1.181 - Woody Woodson (1914)

The OBP mark is the last of Woody's legendary Grand Slam of Records to fall. He also set the Hits and Runs record that year.

The first two fall was the BA to Tyke. No one else has topped Woody's mark since.

Pops Falise broke the SLG record with .677 in 1925, which Oscar would break in 1937 with the current mark. Only Oscar (.690 in 1939) and Kress (.708 in 1950 and .676 in 1953) have topped Woody's mark since then.

Kress' 1.198 OPS in his 1950 Triple Crown broke Woody's mark. He then topped it again in 1953.

40 years later, Woody's 1914 marks still rank sky high on the all-time lists. Amazing.


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Whether its about Krosser
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to back him off the plate, or
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breaking two feet, I feel like
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of the temple elders. I always
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understanding of the game."

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