Time Warp Baseball - Page 210

Matt from TN · 03-24-2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tward13

The exception for Joss was because he died, not just an injury. Plus he was close to 10 years.

He died in April just before starting what would have been his 10th season.

Ahhh... Shades of "Buzzard" Getchell

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Originally Posted by Matt from TN

August 1, 1911

On the injury front, July was a terrible month medically. Along with Drybread's injury, several other key ones were suffered this month. The biggest of all however, was an unfortunate outfield mishap in which Boston Rustlers' star leftfielder "Buzzard" Getchell collided with the outfield wall. He was able to finish the game, but he was rushed to a hospital afterward. There he underwent surgery, but later died. This marks the first baseball related death in the game's history.

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Originally Posted by Matt from TN

"Buzzard" Getchell, LF, Boston Doves/Rustlers 1903-1911 - After an unfortunate injury that cost him his young life, Getchell's career numbers are still impressive. At age 32 and with just 9 major league seasons, he had 1267 hits, 584 RBI (19th All-Time), 542 runs and a .290 average. He also won the 1910 World Series with Boston.

And to Chris' defense, he didn't kill the TWB site. I was editing in the CatoBase link & missed 1 character in the code.

tward13 · 03-24-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jdw

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Is what I get.

John

That's what I was getting but now I can get in again.

canadiancreed · 03-24-2005, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tward13

The exception for Joss was because he died, not just an injury. Plus he was close to 10 years.

He died in April just before starting what would have been his 10th season.

well that explains that.

Ankhiel · 03-24-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by scprideandms

Ouzo (Bky) Still having trouble adjusting to the US hitting 238 in AA

he did get a talent boost in last sim

kreitena · 03-24-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by m0ng00se

Kreitena - if you haven't looked lately, you should check out Mike.

He's definitely making the most out of opportunities when they arise. He did very well starting at 2B when Ormiston went down. Not surprisingly, he leads our team in SB despite not being a full time starter. But, his .352 average and one error total in 245 innings is a pleasant surprise.

Dang, if only he played RF too he could continue to start while Mitchell rehabs.

I wish my ancestors (George & Willie Young) could have had such quick success.

Ya it really is great to see how he is taking advantage of his playing time but about him coming along quickly you got to take into account his age.

jdw · 03-24-2005, 04:45 PM

This is kinda intresting:

Moe Lutske looked he would finally bag is long desired AL Batting Crown this year, getting out of the gate with a .439 clip in April. Then he "slumped" down to a .333 BA for May, taking his season total to .383.

And out of nowhere, Matt Praks hit .400 in May to boost his season average to .370.

At the end of June, it was .372 vs. .372.

So Moe cranked up his game to an entirely different level to start July - .500 (19/38) to push his BA back up to .386.

Praks?

Answered going 20/37 (.541) to push his up to .393.

It would be something of these two could go toe-to-toe and inspire each other up above .400.

Should they slow down, two time BA Champ Ray Kress lurks back with a .359 BA... and a .511 OBP.

I believe that the all-time single season OBP mark is .520 by Woody in 1914.

John

Vris · 03-24-2005, 05:54 PM

And another sad Braves story in "Buzzard" Getchell. Could've been a great one.

John,
I know Chaucer has been excellent. But I can't justify anyone in the HOF without a championship. How can you be one of the best, when you never were at the pinnacle of your profession?

ifspuds · 03-24-2005, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vris

And another sad Braves story in "Buzzard" Getchell. Could've been a great one.

John,
I know Chaucer has been excellent. But I can't justify anyone in the HOF without a championship. How can you be one of the best, when you never were at the pinnacle of your profession?

Because you may not have had the teammates to make it to the championship, or your team got unlucky in the big one, or... many other reasons.

Vris · 03-24-2005, 06:21 PM

So which is more important: team accomplishment, or individual accomplishment? Not regarding HOF status, but in the general sense of the sport.

ifspuds · 03-24-2005, 06:26 PM

In the general sense, I'd say team accomplishment.

Making the Hall of Fame, however, is an individual accomplishment. Championships are a point in a player's favor, but I don't believe they should keep a player out of the Hall if he doesn't have one.

Chaucer has been one of the best hitters -- if not the best -- in the National League for years. I can't see how he shouldn't make the Hall of Fame if he keeps up his level of play for another few years.

Vris · 03-24-2005, 06:35 PM

I agree, and I will argue for his incusion until I'm blue in the face. When I see two similar players and have to take one over the other, I usually lean towards the won with more championships.

Chaucer may be a "lock", but what about Scottie Allen? Maybe the W/L isn't there, but the peripherals are.

Matt from TN · 03-24-2005, 07:18 PM

Would you exclude Cotton Simson from the HOF? I hope not. He's never won a WS (although he did appear in one - 1946, our initial live season. The Browns never lived up to the potential exposed that year).

ifspuds · 03-24-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt from TN

Would you exclude Cotton Simson from the HOF? I hope not. He's never won a WS.

I'm trying, I'm trying...

Vris · 03-24-2005, 07:27 PM

All right, maybe I'm too harsh. Maybe championships shouldn't be the "first" factor, but the "last", deciding factor. Obviously Simson has been one of the Top 5 of all time, but all of the one's above him won at least one:

Lee -- 2 ('37, '41)
Allen -- 1 ('31)
Smith -- 2('39, '43)
Murphy -- 1 ('20)
Lopresto -- 1* ('23)

*-Cato doesn't have any of his earlier stuff

A championship certainly wouldn't hurt him.

pat · 03-24-2005, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt from TN

Would you exclude Cotton Simson from the HOF? I hope not. He's never won a WS (although he did appear in one - 1946, our initial live season. The Browns never lived up to the potential exposed that year).

Simson is a hands-down HOF'er.

jdw · 03-24-2005, 07:57 PM

> And to Chris' defense, he didn't
> kill the TWB site. I was editing
> in the CatoBase link & missed
> 1 character in the code.

That's just one of our standard TWB cliche's:

If the TWB site is down, blame Chris.

If you can't get fair value for your talent in a trade, blame the biased media for ripping your player!

:P

John

canadiancreed · 03-24-2005, 08:02 PM

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If the TWB site is down, blame Chris.

why am I reminded of my last job

"if the network is down,it's Chris's fault"

jdw · 03-25-2005, 01:47 AM

> All right, maybe I'm too harsh. Maybe
> championships shouldn't be the "first" factor,
> but the "last", deciding factor. Obviously
> Simson has been one of the Top 5 of all time,
> but all of the one's above him won at least one:
>
> Lee -- 2 ('37, '41)
> Allen -- 1 ('31)
> Smith -- 2('39, '43)
> Murphy -- 1 ('20)
> Lopresto -- 1* ('23)
>
> *-Cato doesn't have any of his earlier stuff

Presto also won in 1914.

He actually was injured and missed the 1915 and 1924 World Series that the Cards lost.

I would bounce Allen and replace him with Raymond Gindler. Gindler didn't win a World Series, but that largely was because there wasn't a Series in 1901, 1902 and 1904 when his team won the AL.

> A championship certainly wouldn't hurt him.

It would be an interesting question:

Who is the best player in TWB history never to win a World Title.

Probably Rabbi Baum, followed by Dale Lamberty?

Tyke Walls never even played in a World Series.

John

Matt from TN · 03-25-2005, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jdw

It would be an interesting question:

Who is the best player in TWB history never to win a World Title.

Probably Rabbi Baum, followed by Dale Lamberty?

Tyke Walls never even played in a World Series.

All those great A's, including Professor Nagel.

tward13 · 03-25-2005, 08:42 AM

Actually, if a player is on a number of pennant winners that's good enough for me. Winning a best of 7 crap shoot in some ways isn't as impressive as grinding it out over 154 games.

Two equal players? Yes then Championships come into play, but I'm also not going to elevate a lesser player just because he was on teams with great players.

03-24-2005, 05:54 PM	#4187
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	And another sad Braves story in "Buzzard" Getchell. Could've been a great one. John, I know Chaucer has been excellent. But I can't justify anyone in the HOF without a championship. How can you be one of the best, when you never were at the pinnacle of your profession? __________________ None Blog it.

03-24-2005, 06:21 PM	#4189
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	So which is more important: team accomplishment, or individual accomplishment? Not regarding HOF status, but in the general sense of the sport. __________________ None Blog it.

03-24-2005, 06:26 PM	#4190
ifspuds Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 2,117	In the general sense, I'd say team accomplishment. Making the Hall of Fame, however, is an individual accomplishment. Championships are a point in a player's favor, but I don't believe they should keep a player out of the Hall if he doesn't have one. Chaucer has been one of the best hitters -- if not the best -- in the National League for years. I can't see how he shouldn't make the Hall of Fame if he keeps up his level of play for another few years. __________________ Jeff Watson Former dynasty writer and online league player, now mostly retired

03-24-2005, 06:35 PM	#4191
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	I agree, and I will argue for his incusion until I'm blue in the face. When I see two similar players and have to take one over the other, I usually lean towards the won with more championships. Chaucer may be a "lock", but what about Scottie Allen? Maybe the W/L isn't there, but the peripherals are. __________________ None Blog it.

03-24-2005, 07:18 PM	#4192
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Would you exclude Cotton Simson from the HOF? I hope not. He's never won a WS (although he did appear in one - 1946, our initial live season. The Browns never lived up to the potential exposed that year). __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

03-24-2005, 04:45 PM	#4186
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	This is kinda intresting: Moe Lutske looked he would finally bag is long desired AL Batting Crown this year, getting out of the gate with a .439 clip in April. Then he "slumped" down to a .333 BA for May, taking his season total to .383. And out of nowhere, Matt Praks hit .400 in May to boost his season average to .370. At the end of June, it was .372 vs. .372. So Moe cranked up his game to an entirely different level to start July - .500 (19/38) to push his BA back up to .386. Praks? Answered going 20/37 (.541) to push his up to .393. It would be something of these two could go toe-to-toe and inspire each other up above .400. Should they slow down, two time BA Champ Ray Kress lurks back with a .359 BA... and a .511 OBP. I believe that the all-time single season OBP mark is .520 by Woody in 1914. John

03-24-2005, 07:27 PM	#4194
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	All right, maybe I'm too harsh. Maybe championships shouldn't be the "first" factor, but the "last", deciding factor. Obviously Simson has been one of the Top 5 of all time, but all of the one's above him won at least one: Lee -- 2 ('37, '41) Allen -- 1 ('31) Smith -- 2('39, '43) Murphy -- 1 ('20) Lopresto -- 1* ('23) *-Cato doesn't have any of his earlier stuff A championship certainly wouldn't hurt him. __________________ None Blog it.

03-24-2005, 07:57 PM	#4196
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	> And to Chris' defense, he didn't > kill the TWB site. I was editing > in the CatoBase link & missed > 1 character in the code. That's just one of our standard TWB cliche's: If the TWB site is down, blame Chris. If you can't get fair value for your talent in a trade, blame the biased media for ripping your player! :P John

03-25-2005, 01:47 AM	#4198
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	> All right, maybe I'm too harsh. Maybe > championships shouldn't be the "first" factor, > but the "last", deciding factor. Obviously > Simson has been one of the Top 5 of all time, > but all of the one's above him won at least one: > > Lee -- 2 ('37, '41) > Allen -- 1 ('31) > Smith -- 2('39, '43) > Murphy -- 1 ('20) > Lopresto -- 1* ('23) > > *-Cato doesn't have any of his earlier stuff Presto also won in 1914. He actually was injured and missed the 1915 and 1924 World Series that the Cards lost. I would bounce Allen and replace him with Raymond Gindler. Gindler didn't win a World Series, but that largely was because there wasn't a Series in 1901, 1902 and 1904 when his team won the AL. > A championship certainly wouldn't hurt him. It would be an interesting question: Who is the best player in TWB history never to win a World Title. Probably Rabbi Baum, followed by Dale Lamberty? Tyke Walls never even played in a World Series. John

03-25-2005, 08:42 AM	#4200
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,965	Actually, if a player is on a number of pennant winners that's good enough for me. Winning a best of 7 crap shoot in some ways isn't as impressive as grinding it out over 154 games. Two equal players? Yes then Championships come into play, but I'm also not going to elevate a lesser player just because he was on teams with great players.