Louisville Boxing Association - Page 21

swampdragon · 02-14-2005, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

No, I have different qualifications on whether a fight is a title fight. Being commissioner sometimes I suspend those rules.

The challanger has to come from a fighter that is scheduled to fight. He has to be ranked in the top ten. He has to have not lost his last fight.

Unless I'm in a storybook rematch situation, those are my rules as well. However, since I'm also playing all historical matchups, I could also get a title fight from that angle. Of course, I'm not awarding world titles yet, so it's an easy enough matter for the Australian champ to go fight in England or something.

mh2365 · 02-14-2005, 02:20 PM

I throw a rematch in there now and then to, depending on how it was lost

mh2365 · 02-17-2005, 10:37 AM

Finally done with the spreadsheet so I can get back to fighting.

One decision I did make while doing the spreadsheet is that now all beginner fighters will fight only fictional tomato cans, I moved the tomato cans that I was using into a new fictional group. I'll no longer keep track of their stats.

Also the fighters will move to pre-prime at 5 wins or 8 fights (up 1 fight) and to prime at 8 wins or 13 fights (up 1) once the fighters are pre-prime they will be scheduled against other club fighters, be it pre-prime, prime, post-prime or end. This will represent a step up in competition.

One thing I noticed while re-doing the spreadsheet is how many fighters in this era had first names that began with the letter J.

Brooks TVB · 02-17-2005, 01:23 PM

LOL, i am in the process of doing a re-vamp on my universe too. It takes a while to re do them but well worth it. I look forward to seeing your changes and how they work.

swampdragon · 02-17-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Finally done with the spreadsheet so I can get back to fighting.

One decision I did make while doing the spreadsheet is that now all beginner fighters will fight only fictional tomato cans, I moved the tomato cans that I was using into a new fictional group. I'll no longer keep track of their stats.

Also the fighters will move to pre-prime at 5 wins or 8 fights (up 1 fight) and to prime at 8 wins or 13 fights (up 1) once the fighters are pre-prime they will be scheduled against other club fighters, be it pre-prime, prime, post-prime or end. This will represent a step up in competition.

One thing I noticed while re-doing the spreadsheet is how many fighters in this era had first names that began with the letter J.

I regularly get the Jims, Johns and Jacks confused with my group. It seems like half of them have one of those names.

mh2365 · 02-17-2005, 05:12 PM

April 12, 1907

#6 John Donaldson (9-5) scored a UD15 over champ Morris Harris (6-7) to win the LBA Lightheavyweight title. He is the 6th LBA title holder and this was the 7th time the title had changed hands in the short history of the LBA.

This fight was never close, Donaldson dominated the fight from the opening bell. Harris was cut in the 4th and 10th.

I scored it 149-138. Jim Trunzo at ringside had it 148-138. The official judges scored it 148-139/146-140/148-138.

On the undercard

WW - Tommy West (8-0) KO3 Willie Lewis (10-12)
BW - Billy Rotchford (8-5) UD10 Jimmy Walsh (4-6-3) (Walsh maybe the worst 8 rated fighter ever)
HW - Bob Armstrong (20-9-2) UD10 Hank Griffin (11-4-2)
MW - Billy Baker (14-12-3) UD10 George LaBlanche (15-13-2)
FW - Percy Cove (2-0) UD10 Harry Decker (0-2)

*** note the new rules about beginners will start in May, I had to finish out this month's fights first.

mh2365 · 02-18-2005, 02:43 AM

April 17th, 1907

Peter Jackson (11-3) won his 2nd defense with a UD15 over #2 Jack Britton (9-2) despite being dominated in punchstat #'s.

Jackson could never get in control of this fight but was the aggressor and came forward the whole fight. When he was able to land a punch he hurt Britton. Britton stayed to the outside, landed shots and moved away.

Jackson suffered the only cut, under his right eye in the 7th, and neither fighter was down. Jackson landed only 254 out of 814 punches, while Britton landed 450 out of 944.

Like the old adage goes you have to decisively beat the champ to take the title away and Jackson finished strong.

I had it 145-143 in favor of Britton. Chris Almodovar had it 144-143 Jackson. I was expecting a draw or a split decision but the judges ruled it 143-142/143-142/145-141.

On the undercard

HW - Larry Foley (17-5-2) UD10 John Heenan (15-6-1)
LHW - Jack Sullivan (13-13-1) SD10 Al Kaufman (4-8)
FW - Billy Finucane (5-6-1) KO2 Leo Dobbins (0-2)
HW - Bill Lang (9-4) KO6 John Knifton (14-14)
FW - Oscar Gardner (10-0) UD10 Boss Edwards (1-1) (Gardner debuts at #2)

mh2365 · 02-18-2005, 07:19 AM

April 22, 1907

In the mismatch everyone though it would be Young Griffo (23-4-3) almost pitched a shutout on the way to a UD15 over #13 Clarence Forbes (9-7).

In my eyes Griffo never lost a round but was penalized a point in the 14th.

Forbes suffered cuts under both eyes, the left in the 1st, the right in the 6th.

I scored it 149-135. Mirco Mizera, ringside, had it 148-136. The official judges scored it 149-135/147-136/148-135.

On the undercard

MW - Mike Donovan (19-12-2) TKO1 Charley Johnson (6-3-2)
HW - Billy Smith (16-9) UD10 Joe Lannon (14-14)
BW - Ike Weir (1-5-1) DRAW10 Dave Sullivan (2-0-1)
BW - Tommy Doherty (1-1) UD10 Tommy Feltz (10-13)
LHW - John Flood (4-6-1) KO3 Billy McColl (6-6)

javier_83 · 02-18-2005, 11:52 AM

i'm glad your back

mh2365 · 02-18-2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by javier_83

i'm glad your back

Thanks, it was a pain in the butt to redo my spreadsheet but it's a little more organized now at least.

mh2365 · 02-18-2005, 04:04 PM

April 27, 1907

Owen Moran (19-3-3) scored a UD15 over #4 Watty Austin (8-7-1) but it wasn't the cake walk he expected.

Everyone has a plan until they get hurt, and that was the case with Moran. He dominated the first two rounds but then got beat up in the 3rd. Austin opened a cut in Moran's mouth and over his left eye and all of a sudden we had a fight.

The rounds went back and forth and I even had Austin ahead on my scorecard going into the 13th. Moran showed he was a champ though dropping Austin in the 13th.

They split the last two rounds and I had it 143-142 Moran mainly because of the knockdown. Of course I was the only one who saw it that close.

Ringside expert, Tom Trunzo, had it 144-140. The official judges had it 144-140/145-140/143-141.

On the undercard
BW - Johnny Coulon (12-1) UD10 Billy Plimmer (15-9-4)
LW - Billy Willis (1-0) UD10 Ad Wolgast (7-2)
WW - Joe Walcott (15-10-3) SD10 Dixie Kid (13-9-5)
LW - Frank Erne (9-1-2) UD10 Harry Lyons (21-10) (Impressive win for Erne, I had him pitching a shutout)
HW - Jem Mace (11-5-2) UD10 Johnny Woods (10-14-2)

** note *** That ends the month of April and my new beginner rule will go into effect. Also I'm raising the min. # of fights to be ranked to 15. Too many fighters are being ranked high at 10 fights when the fought nothing but club fighters until the 7th or 8th fight.

Gunsmoke · 02-18-2005, 06:19 PM

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Also I'm raising the min. # of fights to be ranked to 15.

I concur with this completely. I never liked the fact that a 10-0-0 fighter comes in ranked number 2 in the world with the setting at ten fights.

javier_83 · 02-18-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Thanks, it was a pain in the butt to redo my spreadsheet but it's a little more organized now at least.

can i see your spreadsheet to see how to make one

mh2365 · 02-18-2005, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunsmoke

I concur with this completely. I never liked the fact that a 10-0-0 fighter comes in ranked number 2 in the world with the setting at ten fights.

Well my main problem is that I like beginners to pad their record so alot hit their tenth fight with 1 or 2 loses. Now by their 15th, they'll have had at least 3 to 4 fights in the main division, so that'll work out better.

mh2365 · 02-18-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by javier_83

can i see your spreadsheet to see how to make one

Right now my spreadsheet is just the fighters names and how long it's been since they fought. Let me get a couple of months done then it'll be easier for you to see how it's done.

Javier do you live in Mexico? If so what part. My Grandfather moved from Madrid to Mexico City when he was 3, his father was governor or equal to that in Mexico City. I still have family in Mazatlan.

javier_83 · 02-18-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Well my main problem is that I like beginners to pad their record so alot hit their tenth fight with 1 or 2 loses. Now by their 15th, they'll have had at least 3 to 4 fights in the main division, so that'll work out better.

thats a good rule

nos LBC and LBA will have better titles figths

javier_83 · 02-18-2005, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Right now my spreadsheet is just the fighters names and how long it's been since they fought. Let me get a couple of months done then it'll be easier for you to see how it's done.

Javier do you live in Mexico? If so what part. My Grandfather moved from Madrid to Mexico City when he was 3, his father was governor or equal to that in Mexico City. I still have family in Mazatlan.

I live in a place call Saltillo in Coahuila State

is on the north of Mexico

near Del Rio Texas

Gunsmoke · 02-19-2005, 04:50 AM

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Well my main problem is that I like beginners to pad their record so alot hit their tenth fight with 1 or 2 loses. Now by their 15th, they'll have had at least 3 to 4 fights in the main division, so that'll work out better

I do something similar in that I have them fighting Tomato Cans, as they win more fights they have a chance of moving on to the Prospects division equal to % = (Wins - 5) * 10. Once they are Prospects they fight other Prospects and the occaisional TC until they loose and move back to the Beginners group or get to fifteen wins when they move to the main division.

I hope that made sense

Mark

mh2365 · 02-19-2005, 08:49 AM

Yeah it does ... my new rule was that they fight TC until they go pre-prime which would be at 5 wins or 8 fights. Then they move on to fight club fighters and other pre-prime fighters until they go prime at either 8 wins or 13 fights. I figure if a 1 rated fighter gets to 5-0, the other 3 wins will take him a while.

swampdragon · 02-19-2005, 10:28 AM

As a rule, I don't use the beginning and end stages at all, and fight most of my fights with both fighters at prime. Even post-prime seems like the penalty is too big. I took Coburn and Allen to post-prime on 1/1/1880 and neither has won a fight since then.

My prospects stay at the bottom of the division and fight the club type fighters and other fighters until they have 10 fights. Then I try to advance them gradually. One difference is that they will also fight anyone else in the game on the date the fight actually occurred. I move fighters to post-prime as late in their historical careers as I can justify, generally after the age of 35. The first group (Goss, Allen, Heenan, etc.) is gradually being moved to postprime, even though they should already be there, because I wanted to start with a mature group of prime fighters while Sullivan, Kilrain, Godfrey, and Mitchell work their way up the ladder.

02-17-2005, 05:12 PM	#406
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Donaldson Dominates Harris Takes Title April 12, 1907 #6 John Donaldson (9-5) scored a UD15 over champ Morris Harris (6-7) to win the LBA Lightheavyweight title. He is the 6th LBA title holder and this was the 7th time the title had changed hands in the short history of the LBA. This fight was never close, Donaldson dominated the fight from the opening bell. Harris was cut in the 4th and 10th. I scored it 149-138. Jim Trunzo at ringside had it 148-138. The official judges scored it 148-139/146-140/148-138. On the undercard WW - Tommy West (8-0) KO3 Willie Lewis (10-12) BW - Billy Rotchford (8-5) UD10 Jimmy Walsh (4-6-3) (Walsh maybe the worst 8 rated fighter ever) HW - Bob Armstrong (20-9-2) UD10 Hank Griffin (11-4-2) MW - Billy Baker (14-12-3) UD10 George LaBlanche (15-13-2) FW - Percy Cove (2-0) UD10 Harry Decker (0-2) *** note the new rules about beginners will start in May, I had to finish out this month's fights first.

02-18-2005, 02:43 AM	#407
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Shades Of Tarver-johnson April 17th, 1907 Peter Jackson (11-3) won his 2nd defense with a UD15 over #2 Jack Britton (9-2) despite being dominated in punchstat #'s. Jackson could never get in control of this fight but was the aggressor and came forward the whole fight. When he was able to land a punch he hurt Britton. Britton stayed to the outside, landed shots and moved away. Jackson suffered the only cut, under his right eye in the 7th, and neither fighter was down. Jackson landed only 254 out of 814 punches, while Britton landed 450 out of 944. Like the old adage goes you have to decisively beat the champ to take the title away and Jackson finished strong. I had it 145-143 in favor of Britton. Chris Almodovar had it 144-143 Jackson. I was expecting a draw or a split decision but the judges ruled it 143-142/143-142/145-141. On the undercard HW - Larry Foley (17-5-2) UD10 John Heenan (15-6-1) LHW - Jack Sullivan (13-13-1) SD10 Al Kaufman (4-8) FW - Billy Finucane (5-6-1) KO2 Leo Dobbins (0-2) HW - Bill Lang (9-4) KO6 John Knifton (14-14) FW - Oscar Gardner (10-0) UD10 Boss Edwards (1-1) (Gardner debuts at #2)

02-18-2005, 07:19 AM	#408
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Griffo Post Easy Win In Third Title Defense April 22, 1907 In the mismatch everyone though it would be Young Griffo (23-4-3) almost pitched a shutout on the way to a UD15 over #13 Clarence Forbes (9-7). In my eyes Griffo never lost a round but was penalized a point in the 14th. Forbes suffered cuts under both eyes, the left in the 1st, the right in the 6th. I scored it 149-135. Mirco Mizera, ringside, had it 148-136. The official judges scored it 149-135/147-136/148-135. On the undercard MW - Mike Donovan (19-12-2) TKO1 Charley Johnson (6-3-2) HW - Billy Smith (16-9) UD10 Joe Lannon (14-14) BW - Ike Weir (1-5-1) DRAW10 Dave Sullivan (2-0-1) BW - Tommy Doherty (1-1) UD10 Tommy Feltz (10-13) LHW - John Flood (4-6-1) KO3 Billy McColl (6-6)

02-18-2005, 04:04 PM	#411
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Moran Has Tough Fight With Austin April 27, 1907 Owen Moran (19-3-3) scored a UD15 over #4 Watty Austin (8-7-1) but it wasn't the cake walk he expected. Everyone has a plan until they get hurt, and that was the case with Moran. He dominated the first two rounds but then got beat up in the 3rd. Austin opened a cut in Moran's mouth and over his left eye and all of a sudden we had a fight. The rounds went back and forth and I even had Austin ahead on my scorecard going into the 13th. Moran showed he was a champ though dropping Austin in the 13th. They split the last two rounds and I had it 143-142 Moran mainly because of the knockdown. Of course I was the only one who saw it that close. Ringside expert, Tom Trunzo, had it 144-140. The official judges had it 144-140/145-140/143-141. On the undercard BW - Johnny Coulon (12-1) UD10 Billy Plimmer (15-9-4) LW - Billy Willis (1-0) UD10 Ad Wolgast (7-2) WW - Joe Walcott (15-10-3) SD10 Dixie Kid (13-9-5) LW - Frank Erne (9-1-2) UD10 Harry Lyons (21-10) (Impressive win for Erne, I had him pitching a shutout) HW - Jem Mace (11-5-2) UD10 Johnny Woods (10-14-2) note * That ends the month of April and my new beginner rule will go into effect. Also I'm raising the min. # of fights to be ranked to 15. Too many fighters are being ranked high at 10 fights when the fought nothing but club fighters until the 7th or 8th fight.

02-14-2005, 02:20 PM	#402
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I throw a rematch in there now and then to, depending on how it was lost

02-17-2005, 10:37 AM	#403
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Finally done with the spreadsheet so I can get back to fighting. One decision I did make while doing the spreadsheet is that now all beginner fighters will fight only fictional tomato cans, I moved the tomato cans that I was using into a new fictional group. I'll no longer keep track of their stats. Also the fighters will move to pre-prime at 5 wins or 8 fights (up 1 fight) and to prime at 8 wins or 13 fights (up 1) once the fighters are pre-prime they will be scheduled against other club fighters, be it pre-prime, prime, post-prime or end. This will represent a step up in competition. One thing I noticed while re-doing the spreadsheet is how many fighters in this era had first names that began with the letter J.

02-17-2005, 01:23 PM	#404
Brooks TVB All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Loudon, TN. Posts: 1,439	LOL, i am in the process of doing a re-vamp on my universe too. It takes a while to re do them but well worth it. I look forward to seeing your changes and how they work.

02-18-2005, 11:52 AM	#409
javier_83 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,091	i'm glad your back

02-19-2005, 08:49 AM	#419
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Yeah it does ... my new rule was that they fight TC until they go pre-prime which would be at 5 wins or 8 fights. Then they move on to fight club fighters and other pre-prime fighters until they go prime at either 8 wins or 13 fights. I figure if a 1 rated fighter gets to 5-0, the other 3 wins will take him a while.

02-19-2005, 10:28 AM	#420
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	As a rule, I don't use the beginning and end stages at all, and fight most of my fights with both fighters at prime. Even post-prime seems like the penalty is too big. I took Coburn and Allen to post-prime on 1/1/1880 and neither has won a fight since then. My prospects stay at the bottom of the division and fight the club type fighters and other fighters until they have 10 fights. Then I try to advance them gradually. One difference is that they will also fight anyone else in the game on the date the fight actually occurred. I move fighters to post-prime as late in their historical careers as I can justify, generally after the age of 35. The first group (Goss, Allen, Heenan, etc.) is gradually being moved to postprime, even though they should already be there, because I wanted to start with a mature group of prime fighters while Sullivan, Kilrain, Godfrey, and Mitchell work their way up the ladder.