The 2023 NFL Season Thread

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Is Kareem Jackson a "thing" about to happen?

I saw the play. I don't know what his appeal is going to accomplish. He purposely spears Dobbs in the chest.

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Off season priority for KC = WR

All they had to do is catch the ball. You can be bad at the position and still catch the ball. Drops lost them the game in week 1.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

That is why I don't get commentators calling Bryce a bust. He has nothing redeemable on his side of the ball. There is not one starter you could take off that team & say he would automatically start for a minimum of half of the rest of the NFL franchises. I would not resign one player on offense for next year. Mingo's "effort" on Dallas's pick 6 shows you how hard Young's WR's are working to get open.

I mentioned this to someone just yesterday. How does a WR allow a defender to lunge for an interception, tuck and roll, get up and score all in one motion? I know Bland is outplaying his 5th round status, but all I could think was, who was that WR?

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I mentioned this to someone just yesterday. How does a WR allow a defender to lunge for an interception, tuck and roll, get up and score all in one motion? I know Bland is outplaying his 5th round status, but all I could think was, who was that WR?

It was something a coach highlights in the film room the next week. And he lets the player know NFL really does stand for "Not For Long".

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Meanwhile, north of the border . . .

In the CFL East Division semi-final, Montreal (11-7) defeated Hamilton (8-10) by a score of 27-12, while in the West Division semi-final, B.C. (12-6) defeated Calgary (6-12) by a score of 41-30.

In the East Division final, Montreal upset Toronto (16-2) by a score of 38-17. In the West Division final, Winnipeg (14-4) defeated B.C.by a score of 24-13.

The 110th Grey Cup will thus feature the Montreal Alouettes going up against the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.

In the 110th Grey Cup, the Montreal Alouettes defeated the Winnipeg Blue Bombers by a score of 28-24, getting the winning touchdown on a 19-yard passing play with just 13 seconds left in the game.

The Alouettes lost both regular season meetings against the Blue Bombers (17-3 and 47-17). The club was 6-7 before winning five straight games to finish the season at 11-7 and securing second place in the East Division.

[Cobra Mgr]

Just picturing Irsay, Jerry Jones & Dave Tepper marching in the streets singing "We shall overcome."

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Just picturing Irsay, Jerry Jones & Dave Tepper marching in the streets singing "We shall overcome."

That cracks me up. The Irsay line has been notorious for being fools. His father, back in the early 70s walked out on to the field and started calling plays. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[Antonin]

Originally Posted by thehef

Flacco played last year, whereas CK hasn't taken a snap in 7 years... Plus, CK wasn't blacklisted. He was not a good enough player to be worth the controversy (and alienation he would bring to a significant portion of any team's fan base)...

Well, a significant portion of the NFL's fan base thinks otherwise. You obviously don't listen to black radio.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

That cracks me up. The Irsay line has been notorious for being fools. His father, back in the early 70s walked out on to the field and started calling plays. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

I think he is one of the owners Dan Snyder had dirt on.

[TheMaus2]

Originally Posted by thehef

Flacco played last year, whereas CK hasn't taken a snap in 7 years... Plus, CK wasn't blacklisted. He was not a good enough player to be worth the controversy (and alienation he would bring to a significant portion of any team's fan base).

committing doublethink by claiming that he wasn't blacklisted but he also wasn't worth the controversy. isn't that a form of blacklisting? not touching a guy for 7 years while there's— i dont know, maybe 20ish serviceable nfl qbs at a time is pretty absurd on it's face. tom savage, jay cutler, eli manning & josh mccown all started 10+ games but i guess the evidence shows that he wasn't blacklisted, not worth a look at all...


I will say trying to get back in the league after nearly a decade is sisyphean but elite locker room guy tim tebow got a camp invite not even 2 seasons ago... but CK wasn't worth signing

[pilight]

Originally Posted by TheMaus2

I will say trying to get back in the league after nearly a decade is sisyphean but elite locker room guy tim tebow got a camp invite not even 2 seasons ago... but CK wasn't worth signing

Kaepernick started a Super Bowl more recently than Tebow has played in the league.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by TheMaus2

committing doublethink by claiming that he wasn't blacklisted but he also wasn't worth the controversy. isn't that a form of blacklisting? not touching a guy for 7 years while there's— i dont know, maybe 20ish serviceable nfl qbs at a time is pretty absurd on it's face. tom savage, jay cutler, eli manning & josh mccown all started 10+ games but i guess the evidence shows that he wasn't blacklisted, not worth a look at all...

Perhaps if he had focused on being a football player instead of a political figure his career might have gone better. It's one thing to take political actions and stances on one's own personal time, and quite another when one decides to combine their professional and political sides. Such combining carries the risk the employer and prospective employers might not react well to it.

[mytreds]

Originally Posted by pilight

Kaepernick started a Super Bowl more recently than Tebow has played in the league.

With a team already winning with Alex Smith. He then failed to replicate any success until he was replaced by Jimmy G. Probably due to management pissing off Harbaugh and then hiring a couple of mediocre head coaches after Harbaugh left. Three years removed from being relevant he decides to make a political stand. He is entitled to make his own decisions, but so are the GMs who hire players.

Its definitely an era of What-Ifs with CK and the Niners.

[TheMaus2]

you cant name me a competent offensive skill player on those post harbaugh niners teams. he certainly could have been a ravens backup with greg roman, probably better than rg3 with no knees...

[pilight]

Originally Posted by mytreds

With a team already winning with Alex Smith. He then failed to replicate any success until he was replaced by Jimmy G.

Yeah, it's not like the very next season he started every game for a team that went 12-4 and reached the NFC title game. That's not success.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by TheMaus2

committing doublethink by claiming that he wasn't blacklisted but he also wasn't worth the controversy. isn't that a form of blacklisting? not touching a guy for 7 years while there's— i dont know, maybe 20ish serviceable nfl qbs at a time is pretty absurd on it's face. tom savage, jay cutler, eli manning & josh mccown all started 10+ games but i guess the evidence shows that he wasn't blacklisted, not worth a look at all...

Pretty much this:

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Perhaps if he had focused on being a football player instead of a political figure his career might have gone better. It's one thing to take political actions and stances on one's own personal time, and quite another when one decides to combine their professional and political sides. Such combining carries the risk the employer and prospective employers might not react well to it.

He basically blacklisted himself by taking controversial & very public positions while not being good enough to be worth the media circus/sideshow that follows. And turning down his contract option that was for more $$$ than he was worth - controversial stands aside - was not smart. And then, despite his words to the contrary, he hasn't actually shown seriousness about returning to the NFL.

At any given time there are at least a few other QB options who won't result in a) maybe 1/3 of the fan base (assuming 1/3 of any team's fans support CK's positions, 1/3 oppose them, and 1/3 don't care) protesting and cancelling ticket purchases, endless media questions of coaches & players on the controversy, and basically just a spit-ton of publicity that has little to do with football. If I'm a GM and I can sign sign someone of similar talent & ability but none of the baggage, it's a quick & hard pass on CK, regardless of whether I agree or disagree with his political stances.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by pilight

Yeah, it's not like the very next season he started every game for a team that went 12-4 and reached the NFC title game. That's not success.

What Kaepernick did immediately after succeeding Alex Smith is pretty much irrelevant. Much more relevant is that by the time he started taking controversial socio-political positions he was a mediocre-at-best QB on a bad team... who still had the opportunity to cash in on his player option for $14.5m at a time when his market value was unquestionably less than that.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Perhaps if he had focused on being a football player instead of a political figure his career might have gone better. It's one thing to take political actions and stances on one's own personal time, and quite another when one decides to combine their professional and political sides. Such combining carries the risk the employer and prospective employers might not react well to it.

I'm not here to say yay or nay on Kaep's political views.

But the one thing that irritates me about the whole controversy is people saying he was "focused on being a political figure".

He did a private thing w/o any hoopla, went thru zero histrionics. A reporter asked him why he sat by himself during the anthem and he answered honestly why. He never ever brought the topic up. To claim he originally sought to become some kind of social political icon is an absolute lie. He did what he did for weeks and no one that loves him for it ever paid attention. And neither did the people that now hate him notice.

Now whether anyone agrees/disagrees w/his stand is their biz. I'm not going to defend or vilify him one iota. And I'm not going to encourage debate on it either cause I grew tired of it years ago. But it just infuriates me that people who hate him or try to turn him into a hero try to pretend he sought to bring attention to himself or his ideas. That couldn't be further from the truth. I don't think even the reporter expected it to get much notice when he mentioned it. I hate people keep repeating that lie.

Repeating a lie over & over does not turn it into the truth. If folks want to hate the guy, hate him for what is true. If folks want to love the guy, love him for what is true.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

He did a private thing w/o any hoopla, went thru zero histrionics. A reporter asked him why he sat by himself during the anthem and he answered honestly why.

Sitting during the national anthem is very much a public political act, regardless of whether or not he discusses the reasons for it.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by pilight

Yeah, it's not like the very next season he started every game for a team that went 12-4 and reached the NFC title game. That's not success.

I think that team was better than the one that went to the SB the year before. They just ran into a buzzsaw in Seattle. Almost beat them too.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Sitting during the national anthem is very much a public political act, regardless of whether or not he discusses the reasons for it.

Yep. And so is wearing sox during practice that depict the police in a very negative & offensive (to many) light... It was/is certainly CK's right to publicly place his personal and controversial, divisive leanings above his job as an NFL quarterback. But the facts are that CK made a series of decisions that ended his football career. Those were his choices.