Data base updates. - Page 21

dragon29 · 11-27-2012, 01:41 AM

In addition to what I've already mentioned, these new ratings really reflect the fighter. Vinny Paz is very aggressive as a LW, but morphs into a more complete boxer/puncher as he moves up and modifies his style. Spot on, Ice.

Of course they still invite the original munchkins back from Wizard of Oz. Every year in grammar school, we would go to the gymnasium for a speech and presentation from the original damn munchkins from the movie! But they were very old and every year there would be less and less of them to give the presentation. I've been out of school for quite sometime. I wonder if they even have any original munchkins left?!?

IceTea · 11-27-2012, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dragon29

In addition to what I've already mentioned, these new ratings really reflect the fighter. Vinny Paz is very aggressive as a LW, but morphs into a more complete boxer/puncher as he moves up and modifies his style. Spot on, Ice.

Of course they still invite the original munchkins back from Wizard of Oz. Every year in grammar school, we would go to the gymnasium for a speech and presentation from the original damn munchkins from the movie! But they were very old and every year there would be less and less of them to give the presentation. I've been out of school for quite sometime. I wonder if they even have any original munchkins left?!?

Living today (3)
As of July 2012 there are three known surviving munchkins from the 1939 film The Wizard of Oz[35]
Actor Born Notes
Ruth Robinson Duccini July 23, 1918 played a villager
Jerry Maren January 24, 1920 member of "The Lollipop Guild"
Margaret Williams Pellegrini September 23, 1923 played a "sleepyhead" and a villager
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hamed2 · 11-27-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BSalm

Great! 5 versions of Camacho and a new Mancini & Haugen to boot.

Thanks,
Bill

Yes, very nice - thanks!

Why this sim never gets old, any new fighter comes along or goes up to another weight class & all sorts of new fight options!

IceTea · 11-27-2012, 06:22 PM

[QUOTE=hamed2;3412712]Yes, very nice - thanks!

Why this sim never gets old, any new fighter comes along or goes up to another weight class & all sorts of new fight options![/QUOT

I think that every Monday will be, THROWBACK MONDAY. I'll add weight classes to those fighters that require it. A couple pages back, there is a list of several hundred that qualify.

PWillisTheMan · 11-27-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by IceTea

He's in now (5).

Ice, I meant Manuel Quintero and typed martin.

IceTea · 11-27-2012, 09:13 PM

The other guy needed a rating too. I'll rate Manuel, but it might take a few days due to not knowing anything about him.

MJ

PWillisTheMan · 11-27-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by IceTea

The other guy needed a rating too. I'll rate Manuel, but it might take a few days due to not knowing anything about him.

MJ

No worries, I was surprised how good he was. Another guy that surprised me was Charlie O'Connell. Soren Sondergaard too.

dragon29 · 11-27-2012, 10:27 PM

Nice reference to PWillisTheMan's list a few pages back. I think, going in reverse order on the lists, that we've left off on a MW rating for Jack Dillon. I've thought a lot about the fighters in different weight classes, as well. Just a quick scanning of the list, I see examples of Mugabi @ MW, Czyz @ MW, Kronk's John David Jackson @ JMW, Pettway @ WW, Sergio @ WW, a cool Emile Griffith request for JMW, etc...

I always loved the changes in weights and I am sure previous versions have had fighters ranked in some of these requested weights, like I can remember using a Luisito Espinosa @ BW, Fenech @ BW, Paez @ FW, Freddie Pendleton @ LW, Junior Jones @ BW and so on. I can actually remember a lot of these fighters and weights way back during the Lance Haffner TKO Boxing days, all the way up through TitleFight 2001 (I believe). Fighters I played a lot were Louie "Sharpshooter" Espinoza @ FW, Terrance Alli and Aaron Pryor @ LW, and I can remember a Bramble JWW rating (right around the Oba Carr fight date).

For years I've been using John Dewey's tremendous ratings of a lot of fighter ratings for alternate weight classes, not in the offical database, and I thank him for that. It's always good to get different viewpoints and perception of fighters. Looking forward to THROWBACK MONDAYS, IceTea, I think its a great idea.

IceTea · 11-28-2012, 12:05 AM

Czyz is rated at MW now.

Mark42661 · 11-28-2012, 05:21 AM

I noticed that Rubin "Hurricane" Carter's rating has never been modified. I was wondering if you could take a look at it when you have the time.

Thanks

hamed2 · 11-28-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by IceTea

Czyz is rated at MW now.

Sweet!

dragon29 · 11-28-2012, 10:41 PM

I like the request of possibly modifiying some overlooked fighters, like the referenced Hurricane Carter by Mark42661. Maybe some historical fighters' ratings can be modified a bit. Not necessarliy moving/changing their weight class, just giving a little tweak.

I was also thinking about THROWBACK MONDAYS. Maybe during the week or as we approach, we can give suggestions on possible modifications, whether it be an alternate weight or a historical fighter revisit.

For example, I can always remember a 168 pound Roberto Duran. I even remember when earlier versions of the game didnt even have the option of a smaller, better Duran. The SMW was the 'modern Duran' at the time and, as a lot of you may remember, a single fighter having 3 or 4 weight classes to choose from didnt exist. I always used to wish I had a LW, MW or even a JMW Duran because all the game offered was a SMW Duran. Funny that nowadays, I would like a SMW Duran. Exact same with Alexis Arguello @ 140. Early versions always had the JWW Arguello. There was never a younger, stronger Arguello @ FW-LW. Now, I would love your interpretation of a JWW Arguello.

PWillisTheMan · 11-29-2012, 03:52 AM

Thank Ice, you're always open to suggestions and while I tweak some ratings here and there I much prefer having the base come from someone much more experienced than I am at creating them.

One big existing one that I always change is James "Hard rock" Green. He wasn;t a world beater, but he was too good to be a (1) and that rating really doesn't reflect who he was imo. The Mugabi fight was a war.

hamed2 · 11-29-2012, 02:22 PM

^ good point about Green, he was a tough guy.

Jackyle · 12-02-2012, 10:24 AM

Excellent updates to Trout, and Alvarez IceTea.

hamed2 · 12-02-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackyle

Excellent updates to Trout, and Alvarez IceTea.

lol, beat me to it - I was coming here to say that about Trout. I've already built Trout to 7-0 with 5 KO's with his previous rating.

Alvarez, is that Canelo? He was a 9 last I saw him.

IceTea · 12-03-2012, 07:22 AM

Throwback Monday has officially begun.

IceTea · 12-03-2012, 08:34 AM

Roberto Duran SMW (6)
Pat Lawlor JMW (1), SMW (0), LHW (0) CW rated deleted.
James 'Hard Rock' Green JMW (3)
John David Jackson JMW (7)
John Mugabi MW (8)
Alexis Arguello JWW (10)

hamed2 · 12-03-2012, 11:11 AM

Nice, I love those additions!

IceTea · 12-04-2012, 12:40 PM

Ruben Carter has been adjusted from a 7 to a 9. The 9 rated simulates out properly.

11-27-2012, 01:41 AM	#401
dragon29 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 261	In addition to what I've already mentioned, these new ratings really reflect the fighter. Vinny Paz is very aggressive as a LW, but morphs into a more complete boxer/puncher as he moves up and modifies his style. Spot on, Ice. Of course they still invite the original munchkins back from Wizard of Oz. Every year in grammar school, we would go to the gymnasium for a speech and presentation from the original damn munchkins from the movie! But they were very old and every year there would be less and less of them to give the presentation. I've been out of school for quite sometime. I wonder if they even have any original munchkins left?!? Last edited by dragon29; 11-27-2012 at 01:44 AM. Reason: Adding

11-27-2012, 06:22 PM	#404
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,835	[QUOTE=hamed2;3412712]Yes, very nice - thanks! Why this sim never gets old, any new fighter comes along or goes up to another weight class & all sorts of new fight options![/QUOT I think that every Monday will be, THROWBACK MONDAY. I'll add weight classes to those fighters that require it. A couple pages back, there is a list of several hundred that qualify. __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

11-27-2012, 09:13 PM	#406
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,835	The other guy needed a rating too. I'll rate Manuel, but it might take a few days due to not knowing anything about him. MJ __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

11-27-2012, 10:27 PM	#408
dragon29 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 261	Nice reference to PWillisTheMan's list a few pages back. I think, going in reverse order on the lists, that we've left off on a MW rating for Jack Dillon. I've thought a lot about the fighters in different weight classes, as well. Just a quick scanning of the list, I see examples of Mugabi @ MW, Czyz @ MW, Kronk's John David Jackson @ JMW, Pettway @ WW, Sergio @ WW, a cool Emile Griffith request for JMW, etc... I always loved the changes in weights and I am sure previous versions have had fighters ranked in some of these requested weights, like I can remember using a Luisito Espinosa @ BW, Fenech @ BW, Paez @ FW, Freddie Pendleton @ LW, Junior Jones @ BW and so on. I can actually remember a lot of these fighters and weights way back during the Lance Haffner TKO Boxing days, all the way up through TitleFight 2001 (I believe). Fighters I played a lot were Louie "Sharpshooter" Espinoza @ FW, Terrance Alli and Aaron Pryor @ LW, and I can remember a Bramble JWW rating (right around the Oba Carr fight date). For years I've been using John Dewey's tremendous ratings of a lot of fighter ratings for alternate weight classes, not in the offical database, and I thank him for that. It's always good to get different viewpoints and perception of fighters. Looking forward to THROWBACK MONDAYS, IceTea, I think its a great idea. Last edited by dragon29; 11-27-2012 at 10:32 PM. Reason: Adding

11-28-2012, 12:05 AM	#409
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,835	Czyz is rated at MW now. __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

11-28-2012, 05:21 AM	#410
Mark42661 All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Home of the Kansas City Chiefs! Posts: 1,080	I noticed that Rubin "Hurricane" Carter's rating has never been modified. I was wondering if you could take a look at it when you have the time. Thanks __________________ A Man of the World Site dedicated to Sailor Tom Sharkey

11-28-2012, 10:41 PM	#412
dragon29 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 261	I like the request of possibly modifiying some overlooked fighters, like the referenced Hurricane Carter by Mark42661. Maybe some historical fighters' ratings can be modified a bit. Not necessarliy moving/changing their weight class, just giving a little tweak. I was also thinking about THROWBACK MONDAYS. Maybe during the week or as we approach, we can give suggestions on possible modifications, whether it be an alternate weight or a historical fighter revisit. For example, I can always remember a 168 pound Roberto Duran. I even remember when earlier versions of the game didnt even have the option of a smaller, better Duran. The SMW was the 'modern Duran' at the time and, as a lot of you may remember, a single fighter having 3 or 4 weight classes to choose from didnt exist. I always used to wish I had a LW, MW or even a JMW Duran because all the game offered was a SMW Duran. Funny that nowadays, I would like a SMW Duran. Exact same with Alexis Arguello @ 140. Early versions always had the JWW Arguello. There was never a younger, stronger Arguello @ FW-LW. Now, I would love your interpretation of a JWW Arguello.

11-29-2012, 03:52 AM	#413
PWillisTheMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,418	Thank Ice, you're always open to suggestions and while I tweak some ratings here and there I much prefer having the base come from someone much more experienced than I am at creating them. One big existing one that I always change is James "Hard rock" Green. He wasn;t a world beater, but he was too good to be a (1) and that rating really doesn't reflect who he was imo. The Mugabi fight was a war.

11-29-2012, 02:22 PM	#414
hamed2 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,224	^ good point about Green, he was a tough guy.

12-02-2012, 10:24 AM	#415
Jackyle Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Connecticut Posts: 10,391	Excellent updates to Trout, and Alvarez IceTea.

12-03-2012, 07:22 AM	#417
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,835	Throwback Monday has officially begun. __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/ Last edited by IceTea; 12-03-2012 at 09:41 AM.

12-03-2012, 08:34 AM	#418
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,835	Roberto Duran SMW (6) Pat Lawlor JMW (1), SMW (0), LHW (0) CW rated deleted. James 'Hard Rock' Green JMW (3) John David Jackson JMW (7) John Mugabi MW (8) Alexis Arguello JWW (10) __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/ Last edited by IceTea; 12-03-2012 at 08:02 PM.

12-03-2012, 11:11 AM	#419
hamed2 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,224	Nice, I love those additions!

12-04-2012, 12:40 PM	#420
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,835	Ruben Carter has been adjusted from a 7 to a 9. The 9 rated simulates out properly. __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/