Version 1.6.19 Game Update Now Available (Updated from 1.6.17)

[IvanIvanovich]

Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

The save would be even greater!

Do you have an email for this and in what format do you want the file?

[Sebastian Palkowski]

Originally Posted by IvanIvanovich

Do you have an email for this and in what format do you want the file?

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Thx for your time and help!

[IvanIvanovich]

Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

How to FTP files to OOTP Developments - Powered by Kayako Help Desk Software

Thx for your time and help!

The save is on its way. Name = Waivertest.lg.rar no password

[Sebastian Palkowski]

Originally Posted by IvanIvanovich

The save is on its way. Name = Waivertest.lg.rar no password

Found and fixed the bug. Thank you very much for your time to upload the save!

As a workaround, make sure your roster is setup to the rules on June 30th (e.g. not over the player limit) and the CPU will not make any moves for you.

[IvanIvanovich]

Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

Found and fixed the bug. Thank you very much for your time to upload the save!

As a workaround, make sure your roster is setup to the rules on June 30th (e.g. not over the player limit) and the CPU will not make any moves for you.

What do you mean according to the rules? There is no roster limit during the off season!

[Sebastian Palkowski]

Originally Posted by IvanIvanovich

What do you mean according to the rules? There is no roster limit during the off season!

No, but on this day alone the cpu thinks there is one, ignores the Setting and makes moves for the user. So as a workaround make sure on june 30th that you are under the roster limit and the cpu will not waive any player.

[IvanIvanovich]

Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

No, but on this day alone the cpu thinks there is one, ignores the Setting and makes moves for the user. So as a workaround make sure on june 30th that you are under the roster limit and the cpu will not waive any player.

That doesn't work as a workaround!

I would have to waive players myself for that - the exact thing I don't want to be done. If I have to waive players myself or if the AI does it doesn't make any difference, both options are equally bad and makes running the team in an efficient manner impossible.

Having to waive players that shouldn't be waived changes the trade value of them and severely limits the options for trading during the off season.

Not to mention the risk of the players being picked up by a competitor. Or them becoming pissed off and refuse to resign.

PS. In a nutshell, it's a bit like telling me that I should kill myself in order to prevent me being murdered....

[Sebastian Palkowski]

Originally Posted by IvanIvanovich

That doesn't work as a workaround!

I would have to waive players myself for that - the exact thing I don't want to be done. If I have to waive players myself or if the AI does it doesn't make any difference, both options are equally bad and makes running the team in an efficient manner impossible.

Having to waive players that shouldn't be waived changes the trade value of them and severely limits the options for trading during the off season.

Not to mention the risk of the players being picked up by a competitor. Or them becoming pissed off and refuse to resign.

PS. In a nutshell, it's a bit like telling me that I should kill myself in order to prevent me being murdered....

It is a bug, it is fixed now and I offered you a way to work around it for now. I know it is not optimal but it is the only thing I can offer at the moment, sorry.

[moore4807]

Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

I'm pretty sure the user used the "up to date" roster as it has some teams with bad salary cap problems (they have player at the start of the season that they got mid-season in reality -> salary cap problems). The only way for them to resolve this problems is to waive player. FHM 2015 will not have updated roster anymore so this problem will go away from alone. Or someone gives me an idea how to handle this problem in the future.

My suggestion is to make an AI salary scale that inverts the talent scale. The higher the skill numbers the less likely to be put on trade/waivers. You definitely need to adjust putting players on the trade block over waivers. Then you may get ten 6.5 skill players put on the trade block before waivers before one 8.0 skilled Gustav Nyquist. That is much more realistic IMHO.

Also there should be a position or type of player wanted included in the trade blocks. I'm playing Buffalo and wanted some young talent to replace G Miller who is too expensive for my rebuilding needs. The offers being made are simply horrible or not for the D help that I need. When I approach the inquiring team about one of the young D players, invariably I get told they are not interested in Miller or invariably reject the trade. Then stop wasting my time with offering me scrub forwards!!! <grin>

I would want to see the following reasons included in trade blocks to help me decide if I want to pursue that player before going through the AI trade haggling...
A) improve specific position
B) equal talent trades
C) getting younger talent
D) shipping out unhappy player
E) dumping salary

Also can the AI spending habits be changed? In real life there is usually 5%-10% CAP room to work with for most teams while the top five have no CAP room left and the bottom five have plenty of CAP room. In this game everybody is operating at the upper limits of the CAP it seems.

I think the owners should be more involved in nixing trades that hurt the cash flow of the team. Currently the owners are just window dressing in the game, I can do whatever I want and the worst they do is fire me if I'm losing.

Just my $.02

[IvanIvanovich]

Originally Posted by moore4807

Currently the owners are just window dressing in the game, I can do whatever I want and the worst they do is fire me if I'm losing.

Just my $.02

I agree with you, the managing part of the game is its weakest part.

One thing I'd like to see that is missing (and was missing from EHM too) is the ability to ask a scout for an immediate "quick and dirty" assessment of a player that I'm interested in (being offered in a trade for instance).

The video recorder has been commonplace for over 40 years now, why can't I ask a scout to breeze through a few tapes and tell me what he thinks?

[moore4807]

Originally Posted by IvanIvanovich

I agree with you, the managing part of the game is its weakest part.

One thing I'd like to see that is missing (and was missing from EHM too) is the ability to ask a scout for an immediate "quick and dirty" assessment of a player that I'm interested in (being offered in a trade for instance).

The video recorder has been commonplace for over 40 years now, why can't I ask a scout to breeze through a few tapes and tell me what he thinks?

Technically you can scout the player now - place him on your shortlist, then assign a decent available scout to him. I can get an updated report (usually its very similar to the existing one, but I have seen differences in skills) in a weeks time. (look at the bottom of the scouting report for the date - it updates pretty quickly)

[IvanIvanovich]

Originally Posted by moore4807

Technically you can scout the player now - place him on your shortlist, then assign a decent available scout to him. I can get an updated report (usually its very similar to the existing one, but I have seen differences in skills) in a weeks time. (look at the bottom of the scouting report for the date - it updates pretty quickly)

I'm not talking about waiting a week, I'm talking about waiting an hour or less.

If I'm offered a player in a trade I need the answer immediately so that I can assess the value of the trade.

[moore4807]

Originally Posted by IvanIvanovich

I'm not talking about waiting a week, I'm talking about waiting an hour or less.

If I'm offered a player in a trade I need the answer immediately so that I can assess the value of the trade.

Ummm... don't you already have a NHL scout assigned? That's where the basics are covered. The update just notes minor differences and opinions (rating may be the same but skills numbers will vary slightly...) <grin> you sound just a trifle impatient spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on pixels and zeroes... They give you fourteen days to complete the deal for that reason IMHO. No offense meant!

[IvanIvanovich]

Originally Posted by moore4807

Ummm... don't you already have a NHL scout assigned? That's where the basics are covered. The update just notes minor differences and opinions (rating may be the same but skills numbers will vary slightly...) <grin> you sound just a trifle impatient spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on pixels and zeroes... They give you fourteen days to complete the deal for that reason IMHO. No offense meant!

Having an NHL scout assigned is of NO use if I'm being offered a prospect or an AHL player in a trade.

Please read my posts and try to understand what the meaning that being conveyed is before replying.

[moore4807]

Originally Posted by IvanIvanovich

Having an NHL scout assigned is of NO use if I'm being offered a prospect or an AHL player in a trade.

Please read my posts and try to understand what the meaning that being conveyed is before replying.

OK what YOU typed was you wanted a quick and dirty assessment of a player in a trade. You never said what level or particulars were involved. I'm not familiar with how you play or use the assets provided in this game, what I noted was you get an assessment of a player if you already have a scout covering the NHL level (or AHL or where ever...) and can get a update within a week of shortlisting and assigning an available scout to him.

If this does not suit your playing style - fine - it was merely a suggestion.

If you go back and re-read your posts too, can you see that you are implying in your posts that you are not effectively using scouting - having scouts at the NHL/AHL/ECHL levels is mandatory and scouting the junior leagues/overseas is a standard practice in hockey. That doesn't leave many areas or players not covered by scouting. So I dont know where your going with this point. What you ask for is not realistic and certainly couldn't be done in real life without the preparation of regular scouting of those leagues and teams.

[IvanIvanovich]

Originally Posted by moore4807

OK what YOU typed was you wanted a quick and dirty assessment of a player in a trade. You never said what level or particulars were involved. I'm not familiar with how you play or use the assets provided in this game, what I noted was you get an assessment of a player if you already have a scout covering the NHL level (or AHL or where ever...) and can get a update within a week of shortlisting and assigning an available scout to him.

If this does not suit your playing style - fine - it was merely a suggestion.

If you go back and re-read your posts too, can you see that you are implying in your posts that you are not effectively using scouting - having scouts at the NHL/AHL/ECHL levels is mandatory and scouting the junior leagues/overseas is a standard practice in hockey. That doesn't leave many areas or players not covered by scouting. So your last post while attempting to be insulting, really shows your ignorance of the basic tenets of the game.

For crying out loud!

What I said was that I was offered a player in a trade.

I made NO specification on the status of that player whatsoever.

YOU made an assumption that it was an NHL player.

YOU then criticized ME for not having scouted NHL players.

It is YOU that haven't read NOR understood what I wrote.

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The name of this game is Franchise Hockey MANAGER. It is a management simulator. It's purpose is to let the gamer experience what it's like to be a manager of a hockey franchise.

Part of being a manager of a hockey franchise is to manage trading and player acquisition and the way a REAL LIFE manager of a hockey franchise would react in the scenario that I've described is that he would pick up his phone and tell his head scout to provide him with an assessment of the player in question stat.

If there wasn't already such an assessment as will be the case if this player is, for instance, a foreign newly signed, a young AHLer, a prospect, then the head scout would dig out a bunch of recordings and divvy them out among his scouts and ask for an appreciation to be made ASAP.

This would happen in trades, unexpected waivers, foreign players suddenly becoming available the day the transfer window closes.

I'd like this part of what it's like to manage a hockey team to be included in a game that purports to simulate managing a hockey team.

Is that REALLY such a proposterous idea?

[Sebastian Palkowski]

Please keep your discussions civil.

The scouting/trading works, that you should always be able to get the infos you need in time.

But e.g. in the DEL only a small number of games is on TV (one game per week I think) and scouting a player based on a video alone (with the camera following the puck) is not easy either. So more then basic infos on a player should not be easy to get.

And I agree with moore4807, if you manage your scouts in advance, you are set up to react to e.g. trade offers.

[IvanIvanovich]

Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

Please keep your discussions civil.

The scouting/trading works, that you should always be able to get the infos you need in time.

But e.g. in the DEL only a small number of games is on TV (one game per week I think) and scouting a player based on a video alone (with the camera following the puck) is not easy either. So more then basic infos on a player should not be easy to get.

And I agree with moore4807, if you manage your scouts in advance, you are set up to react to e.g. trade offers.

I'm sorry but that's baloney!

In the USA and Canada every single junior and college and AHL game is televised.

If a competitor drops their rights to a prospect, how do you expect any manager to get an up to date assessment of this player by setting up scouts in ADVANCE?

I'm basing my wants on what a manager would do in real life and asking for a video review by his scouts is EXACTLY what he would do!

This isn't about ONLY trades it's also about waivers (24-48-96) hours, and quick decision on or close to transfer deadlines.

I reiterate what I've been saying for a long time; The weakest part of this managing game is the managing part.

[Sebastian Palkowski]

Originally Posted by IvanIvanovich

I'm sorry but that's baloney!

In the USA and Canada every single junior and college and AHL game is televised.

If a competitor drops their rights to a prospect, how do you expect any manager to get an up to date assessment of this player by setting up scouts in ADVANCE?

I'm basing my wants on what a manager would do in real life and asking for a video review by his scouts is EXACTLY what he would do!

This isn't about ONLY trades it's also about waivers (24-48-96) hours, and quick decision on or close to transfer deadlines.

I reiterate what I've been saying for a long time; The weakest part of this managing game is the managing part.

And it is fine if you think so, I just disagree. If you setup your scouts correctly, you have scouting reports for most of the leagues you talk about, so what exactly is the problem?

[moore4807]

[QUOTE=IvanIvanovich;3787734]For crying out loud!
Agreed - I do want to keep it civil and apologize for my attitude. Perhaps if you understood what background I have with scouting hockey. Trust me it's tiny...

in late 1977 the Philadelphia Firebirds were an upstart hockey franchise that lasted a couple years. But while they were in existence they employed one of my neighbors as a scout - who nicely took me along to one of the local hockey games that he was scouting... It turned out to be harder than I ever expected!

He was there to watch one player from Bishop Eustace High School who was playing on a club team in Cherry Hill NJ. When we got to the rink I was given a stopwatch with two buttons on it and shown how to use it. When this player stepped on the ice I pressed one button and when the player got the puck I pressed the bottom button and when he got rid of the puck to press the bottom button again and call out the elapsed time. Then call out the elapsed time when the player stepped off the ice... Sounds easy right?

I think I watched maybe 5 minutes of the game and when we left there were three binders he was making notes onto about the player performance. This was in 1977 - nearly 40 years ago and I've never looked at the game the same way again. TV is not a tool for scouting hockey players, I really learned that its isolation of one player from everyone else on the ice and even down to the silliness of how long it takes him to break a sweat from the beginning of the game (talk about micromanaging!)

In this game its the GM's responsibility to tell the scouts what and who to scout (unless you turn it over to your assistant). You wrote these words

from your last post "YOU then criticized ME for not having scouted NHL players."
I actually typed this "can you see that you are implying in your posts that you are not effectively using scouting.

As Markus correctly noted I'm making an observation of what you typed. You can choose to take it as a criticism, but I really hope you are open to the possibility that I was trying to help you be a better player and come to enjoy the game more.

I remind myself that there are 360 degrees to any discussion... so if I want to learn anything new I have to listen to opposing points of view.