Official Rolen/Cubby Roster Thread

[QuestGAV]

Originally Posted by ctchw

I bet if cubby was Jesus or Alah you wouldn't be talking to him in this way would you.

That's a good point. If Jesus or Allah were making rosters they'd get alot more respect. I guess we'll have to settle for Rolen & Cubbyfan!

In all seriousness, I hope you guys aren't letting a couple of petulant kids get to you. This isn't a job, it's a hobby and you've got no obligation to us. Keep it fun and we'll enjoy the result when you're ready.

[ozziethesaint]

Originally Posted by ctchw

This forum is a nice one as it clearly details out idiots that are spoon fed and dont' make an effort themselves to make rosters. I believe this thread was created stating that a roster package will be available some time. Now we have people insulting Cubby.

I get this treatment at work and work is hell. This sounds like hell and people are pushing it. For those pointing fingers why don't you go and make your own rosters and mod's instead of insulting others. You slack F***G B****S.

It's cubby's thread and shall I say he is the wizard or OZ in this thread. Why don' you guy's be more positive than neggative. Instead of coming out with negative words to cubby why not come out with positive words instead and encourage the efforts of a human being working on a mod pack for the whole world.

I bet if cubby was Jesus or Alah you wouldn't be talking to him in this way would you. I bet you would be on your knees praying and kissing feet yeah. If you can't be nice to Cubby or if you can't be nice to anyone, expect the karmic wheel to treat you the same way you treat others. I feel sorry for you negative people.

GO CUBBY - THANKS CUBBY. Thanks for saving thousands of people hard work doing these rosters themselves which they forget. I bet you feel like jesus trying to help everyone and trying to free them, then being put on a cross in your own thread. I guess history does not mean much to people. What a perfect e.g..

CTCWH.

Ya know I was just gonna stay away from this, but I can't help myself. My problems with Cubbyfan have nothing to do with the work he's done or hasn't done. it comes strictly from his attitude towards me when I said I was going to create a roster of my own. and as far as these rosters go, well after conversing on AIM today, I have nothing but respect for Erich and the work he's put into creating these rosters. I've never used his rosters before since I was a late comer to OOTP but his set for OOTP3 is still being talked about. so obviously it was and is amazing. so again, my anger was misdirected early on, and then became directed at Cubby only because of his attitude. and a huge thumbs up to Erich because I am sure he will set the bar incredibly high for me to strive to equal. which will only make me work harder. This is no longer an angry roster vs roster fight. this is just me doing something I want to do for myself and in turn for the OOTP community. If someone enjoy's it? then great. and if not, well I will and I'm sure you'll all still love my pic pack!!! So again Erich thanks for taking the time to create 3000+ players and setting the bar high for me to strive to compare too

[QuestGAV]

Originally Posted by ozziethesaint

This is no longer an angry roster vs roster fight.

That's too bad, because I was really looking forward to that ozzie. It would have been like RAW vs. Smackdown only with baseball players instead of wrestlers.

[CubbyFan23]

Originally Posted by dashby

Cmon dude, if this were true he would just create the damn rosters then move on to heavier things like turning water into wine, parting seas, and junk like that.

I've managed to empty two bottles of wine tonight already but I guess that's not the same eh?

It seems I have an admirer, for all my arrogance and attempts to thwart internet stardom, I can't keep ozzie from this thread.

[dashby]

I've managed to empty two bottles of wine tonight already but I guess that's not the same eh

That's just turning wine into urine and any mere mortal can do that. However, you get those roster sets finished sometime real soon and we might consider you for sainthood.

[GForce]

Originally Posted by dashby

My greatest fear is I am going to get way too entrenched in this game (and it is a mighty good play) and forget about OOTP.

If this is your greatest fear, then cheers to you.

It's stuff like this that makes me certain I don't miss doing this a bit.

GH

[Erich Ingram]

The comedy in this thread is starting to close in on transcedent comedy, as we are well beyond high comedy now.

[Brife71]

"My first ever game was at Busch Stadium, Cubs / Cards with Ryne Sandberg at 2B for the Cubs. Dad told me he was Ryno which I loved, he made a few unreal plays that game, for some reason it stuck with me (I was 4) and I've been a Cubs fan ever since and he was my fav player ever.."

Gah, this makes me feel really old My first game I saw Pete Rose, and Johnny Bench.....

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-...d=197607030CN5

It stuck with me forever, and they will forver be a couple of my all time favorites.

On a note more in line with the thread. I'm axiously awaiting your rosters, but I have all the patience in the world on waiting for em. Till then I am doing historical sims, and having a blast in the process.

[Guidokid]

My first game.....Doc Gooden, Darryl Strawberry, Gary Carter, Keith Hernandez!!!! 1 Hall of Famer, 1 who should already be there (Hernandez), and 2 hamsters who wasted their god given talent.

[Cardinal13]

2 bottles of wine huh? I hope we won't be seeing Mike Piazza with a cannon and kerry Wood and Mark Prior with good durability. ...Then again, I'm not sure 2 bottles is enough.

Thanks for all the hard work guys; it might even excuse cubbyfan for being a Cubs fan, maybe.

[CubbyFan23]

Originally Posted by Cardinal13

2 bottles of wine huh? I hope we won't be seeing Mike Piazza with a cannon and kerry Wood and Mark Prior with good durability. ...Then again, I'm not sure 2 bottles is enough.

Thanks for all the hard work guys; it might even excuse cubbyfan for being a Cubs fan, maybe.

Jim Edmonds is that big SP prospect for St. Louis right?

[dashby]

My first game - july 4th, 1991 - Wrigley. , Sutcliffe pitching...Grace, Sandberg, Dawson, the whole mid-to-late 80's Cubbie gang. Pirates...Bonds, Bonilla, VanSlyke, etc. Cubs have a 3 run lead in the 9th...but Cubs closer Dave Smith blows it when Bonds hits a 3-run bomb, followed by a solo by Bonilla. Grace ties it in the 9th with a home-run. Anyway, it heads into the 11th when Bonilla jacks one. Grace comes back in the bottom of the inning and hits a 2-run walk-off HR to win it. Only time I've ever known Gracie to hit 2 in a game (although I'm sure it had to happen some other time). Also got to see Sandberg, Dawson, and George Bell (anyone remember him) go yard for Cubs. 5 homeruns for the Cubs and Pirates had 4 that day. Very exciting!!!

[CubbyFan23]

Originally Posted by dashby

My first game - july 4th, 1991 - Wrigley. , Sutcliffe pitching...Grace, Sandberg, Dawson, the whole mid-to-late 80's Cubbie gang. Pirates...Bonds, Bonilla, VanSlyke, etc. Cubs have a 3 run lead in the 9th...but Cubs closer Dave Smith blows it when Bonds hits a 3-run bomb, followed by a solo by Bonilla. Grace ties it in the 9th with a home-run. Anyway, it heads into the 11th when Bonilla jacks one. Grace comes back in the bottom of the inning and hits a 2-run walk-off HR to win it. Only time I've ever known Gracie to hit 2 in a game (although I'm sure it had to happen some other time). Also got to see Sandberg, Dawson, and George Bell (anyone remember him) go yard for Cubs. 5 homeruns for the Cubs and Pirates had 4 that day. Very exciting!!!

You're probably not going to believe this, but I'm 99 percent sure I was at that same game.

[Erich Ingram]

Cubby get back to work, no more Cubs reminiscing, you must be working.

[GForce]

Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

You're probably not going to believe this, but I'm 99 percent sure I was at that same game.

Then you're both imagining it Sutcliffe didn't pitch that day. Maddux started. Bonilla didn't homer. And Sandberg didn't even play. Grace did, however, win it with a homer in the 11th.

Retrosheet is fun.

GH

[HoustonGM]

I found dashby's post about finding soemone else to be high comedy as well, Erich. Honestly, he wants to find someone to devote their entire life to a roster set. Sorry, you won't find anyone like that man.

Get off their back. I know how hard it is to make rosters (for Baseball Mogul, which is way easier than the OOTP interface I bet), and I know I put a lot of tme in it. I'm younger than both Erich and Cubby, so therefore, I pretty much put all my time except school and once a week with my girlfriend into the rosters, and it stll took me 2-3 months to release. It's not something you can throw together in a minute.

It took me 2-3 months with Mogul, and thats only with players wtih MLB experience and the top 20 or so prosepcts for each team. These guys are making full minor leagues, full major leagues, full personnel, easily editting way over thousands of players by hand from the ground up - get off their god damn backs and give them a break. I wish there was a way to ban people like you from downloading their rosters when they are released - just so you can't see how good they actually are. However, if you do see them, maybe then you'll be thanking them for putting so much hard work into them.

Cubby and Erich, coming from a fellow roster maker, thank you for your hard work for OOTP. I'm personally waiting for your rosters to come out to start playing it, but unlike the low-life complainers, I'm spending me time actually occupying myself with my other hobbies and games, rather than coming on here to badger and harass you.

[dashby]

Then you're both imagining it Sutcliffe didn't pitch that day. Maddux started. Bonilla didn't homer. And Sandberg didn't even play. Grace did, however, win it with a homer in the 11th.

Show me the box score. It was 15 years ago but, I can't believe I would slip up that much. Oh well, Sutcliffe...Maddux...whatever. Point is the Cubs won...Grace hit a couple homers...and the Pirates went on to finish about 20 games ahead of the Cubbies and won the division.

Hey, by the way, thanks for stealing my childhood memories and pissin all over them though.

[GForce]

Originally Posted by dashby

Show me the box score. It was 15 years ago but, I can't believe I would slip up that much. Oh well, Sutcliffe...Maddux...whatever. Point is the Cubs won...Grace hit a couple homers...and the Pirates went on to finish about 20 games ahead of the Cubbies and won the division.

Hey, by the way, thanks for stealing my childhood memories and pissin all over them though.

Things that happened are memories. Things that didn't are called dreams

Chicago Cubs 9, Pittsburgh Pirates 8

DayGame Played on Thursday, July 4, 1991 (D) at Wrigley Field

PIT N    0  1  1    0  0  0    0  5  1    0  0  -   8 15  2
CHI N    2  0  0    0  2  2    2  0  0    0  1  -   9 14  1

BATTINGPittsburgh Pirates    AB   R   H RBI      BB  SO      PO   A
Merced 1b              5   2   3   4       1   1      15   1
Bell ss                5   0   1   0       1   1       0   5
Van Slyke cf           5   0   1   1       0   2       1   0
  Patterson p          0   0   0   0       0   0       0   0
  LaValliere ph        1   0   0   0       0   0       0   0
  Landrum p            0   0   0   0       0   0       0   1
Bonilla 3b             6   1   3   0       0   0       1   1
Bonds lf               5   2   3   2       1   0       1   1
Varsho rf,cf           3   1   2   0       1   0       0   0
  Gonzalez ph,cf       1   0   0   0       0   0       1   0
Slaught c              5   0   0   0       0   3       7   1
Wilkerson 2b           5   1   2   1       0   0       3   6
Tomlin p               2   0   0   0       0   1       1   2
  Kipper p             0   0   0   0       0   0       0   0
  Redus ph             1   0   0   0       0   0       0   0
  Heaton p             0   0   0   0       0   0       0   0
  McClendon ph,rf      1   1   0   0       1   1       0   0
Totals                45   8  15   8       5   9      30  18
FIELDING - 
E: Bonilla (7), Tomlin (1).
BATTING - 
2B: Varsho (8,off Maddux); Bonilla (22,off Assenmacher); Bonds (11,off Assenmacher).
HR: Bonds (11,2nd inning off Maddux 0 on 1 out); Merced (6,8th inning off Dave
Smith 3 on 2 out).
SH: Gonzalez (1,off Assenmacher).
Team LOB: 10.
BASERUNNING - 
SB: Varsho 2 (5,2nd base off Maddux/Villanueva,2nd base off Maddux/Wilkins);
Bonds (20,3rd base off Maddux/Wilkins).
Chicago Cubs          AB   R   H RBI      BB  SO      PO   A
Walton cf              6   1   1   0       0   1       0   0
Grace 1b               5   2   2   3       1   1      12   2
Dunston ss             5   1   0   0       0   1       3   5
Dawson rf              4   2   2   2       1   1       3   0
Bell lf                4   1   3   2       0   0       1   0
  Dascenzo lf          1   0   1   0       0   0       2   0
Salazar 3b             5   0   1   0       0   0       0   2
  McElroy p            0   0   0   0       0   0       0   0
Villanueva c           2   0   1   0       1   0       4   0
  Wilkins pr,c         2   1   1   0       0   1       5   1
Vizcaino 2b            5   1   2   0       0   0       2   4
Maddux p               3   0   0   0       0   0       1   1
  Dave Smith p         0   0   0   0       0   0       0   0
  Assenmacher p        0   0   0   0       0   0       0   0
  Renfroe p            0   0   0   0       0   0       0   0
  Walker 3b            1   0   0   0       0   1       1   0
Totals                43   9  14   7       3   6      33  15
FIELDING - 
DP: 2. Vizcaino-Dunston-Grace-Vizcaino, Grace-Dunston-Grace.
E: Vizcaino (2).
BATTING - 
2B: Salazar (4,off Tomlin); Bell (12,off Tomlin).
HR: Dawson (13,1st inning off Tomlin 1 on 2 out); Grace 2 (6,5th inning off
Tomlin 1 on 0 out,11th inning off Landrum 0 on 0 out); Bell (16,7th inning
off Heaton 1 on 0 out).
SH: Maddux (4,off Tomlin).
IBB: Villanueva (1,by Tomlin).
Team LOB: 8.
BASERUNNING - 
SB: Dunston (12,2nd base off Tomlin/Slaught).
CS: Dascenzo (5,2nd base by Patterson/Slaught).
PITCHINGPittsburgh Pirates    IP     H   R  ER  BB  SO  HR
Tomlin                 5.2   8   6   2   3   1   2
Kipper                 0.1   0   0   0   0   1   0
Heaton                 1     4   2   2   0   0   1
Patterson              2     1   0   0   0   3   0
Landrum L(1-1)         1     1   1   1   0   1   1
Totals                10    14   9   5   3   6   4
Chicago Cubs          IP     H   R  ER  BB  SO  HR
Maddux                 7.2  11   5   5   2   6   1
Dave Smith             0     1   2   2   2   0   1
Assenmacher            1.1   2   1   1   0   2   0
Renfroe                0.2   0   0   0   1   1   0
McElroy W(5-0)         1.1   1   0   0   0   0   0
Totals                11    15   8   8   5   9   2
Landrum faced 1 batter in the 11th inning
WP: Maddux (5).
IBB: Tomlin (2,Villanueva).
Umpires: Ed Montague, Dana DeMuth, Bruce Froemming, Greg Bonin
Time of Game: 3:32   Attendance: 31098
Starting Lineups:

   Pittsburgh Pirates            Chicago Cubs             
1. Merced              1b        Walton              cf
2. Bell                ss        Grace               1b
3. Van Slyke           cf        Dunston             ss
4. Bonilla             3b        Dawson              rf
5. Bonds               lf        Bell                lf
6. Varsho              rf        Salazar             3b
7. Slaught             c         Villanueva          c
8. Wilkerson           2b        Vizcaino            2b
9. Tomlin              p         Maddux              p

PIRATES 1ST: Merced flied to left; Bell popped to shortstop; Van
Slyke struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.  Pirates 0, Cubs 0.

CUBS 1ST: Walton grounded out (first unassisted); Grace grounded
out (first to pitcher); Dunston reached on an error by Bonilla
[Dunston to first]; Dunston stole second; Dawson homered
(unearned) [Dunston scored (unearned)]; Bell singled to left;
Salazar doubled to first [Bell to third]; Villanueva was walked
intentionally; Vizcaino grounded out (second to first); 2 R, 3
H, 1 E, 3 LOB.  Pirates 0, Cubs 2.

PIRATES 2ND: Bonilla grounded out (shortstop to first); Bonds
homered; Varsho doubled to first; Slaught lined to right;
Wilkerson lined to right; 1 R, 2 H, 0 E, 1 LOB.  Pirates 1, Cubs
2.

CUBS 2ND: Maddux grounded out (pitcher to first); On a bunt
Walton grounded out (third to first); Grace flied to center; 0
R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.  Pirates 1, Cubs 2.

PIRATES 3RD: Tomlin was called out on strikes; Merced singled;
Bell singled to left [Merced to third]; Van Slyke reached on an
error by Vizcaino [Merced scored (RBI), Bell to second, Van
Slyke to first]; Bonilla singled to left [Bell to third, Van
Slyke to second]; Bonds grounded into a double play (second to
shortstop to first) [Bonilla out at second]; 1 R, 3 H, 1 E, 2
LOB.  Pirates 2, Cubs 2.

CUBS 3RD: Dunston flied to left; Dawson walked; Bell doubled
[Dawson out at home (left to shortstop to catcher), Bell to
third (on throw)]; Salazar grounded out (second to first); 0 R,
1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB.  Pirates 2, Cubs 2.

PIRATES 4TH: Varsho grounded out (second to first); Slaught
grounded out (shortstop to first); Wilkerson singled to third;
Tomlin grounded out (pitcher to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. 
Pirates 2, Cubs 2.

CUBS 4TH: Villanueva grounded out (shortstop to first); Vizcaino
grounded out (shortstop to first); Maddux grounded out (second
to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.  Pirates 2, Cubs 2.

PIRATES 5TH: Merced struck out; Bell grounded out (third to
first); Van Slyke singled; Bonilla grounded out (second to
first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB.  Pirates 2, Cubs 2.

CUBS 5TH: Walton singled; Grace homered [Walton scored]; Dunston
grounded out (first unassisted); Dawson grounded out (second to
first); Bell grounded out (second to first); 2 R, 2 H, 0 E, 0
LOB.  Pirates 2, Cubs 4.

PIRATES 6TH: Bonds singled to center; On a bunt Varsho was
credited with a single when a runner was hit by the batted ball
[Bonds out at second (second)]; Varsho stole second; Maddux
threw a wild pitch [Varsho to third]; Slaught was called out on
strikes; Wilkerson grounded out (first to pitcher); 0 R, 2 H, 0
E, 1 LOB.  Pirates 2, Cubs 4.

CUBS 6TH: Salazar grounded out (pitcher to first); Villanueva
singled to left; WILKINS RAN FOR VILLANUEVA; Vizcaino singled to
center [Wilkins to second]; Maddux reached on an error on a
sacrifice bunt by Tomlin [Wilkins scored (unearned), Vizcaino
scored (unearned) (no RBI), Maddux to second]; Walton struck
out; Grace walked; KIPPER REPLACED TOMLIN (PITCHING); Dunston
struck out; 2 R, 2 H, 1 E, 2 LOB.  Pirates 2, Cubs 6.

PIRATES 7TH: WILKINS STAYED IN GAME (PLAYING C ); REDUS BATTED
FOR KIPPER; Redus grounded out (first unassisted); Merced
singled; Bell was called out on strikes; Van Slyke grounded out
(second to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB.  Pirates 2, Cubs 6.

CUBS 7TH: HEATON REPLACED REDUS (PITCHING); Dawson singled; Bell
homered [Dawson scored]; Salazar popped to second; Wilkins
singled to right; Vizcaino singled to first [Wilkins to second];
Maddux popped to third; Walton forced Vizcaino (shortstop to
second) [Walton to first]; 2 R, 4 H, 0 E, 2 LOB.  Pirates 2,
Cubs 8.

PIRATES 8TH: DASCENZO REPLACED BELL (PLAYING LF); Bonilla flied
to left; Bonds walked; Varsho walked [Bonds to second]; Slaught
was called out on strikes; Bonds stole third and Varsho stole
second; Wilkerson singled to right [Bonds scored, Varsho to
third]; MCCLENDON BATTED FOR HEATON; DAVE SMITH REPLACED MADDUX
(PITCHING); McClendon walked [Wilkerson to second]; Merced
homered [Varsho scored, Wilkerson scored, McClendon scored];
Bell walked; ASSENMACHER REPLACED DAVE SMITH (PITCHING); Van
Slyke struck out (catcher to first); 5 R, 2 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. 
Pirates 7, Cubs 8.

CUBS 8TH: PATTERSON REPLACED VAN SLYKE (PITCHING); VARSHO
CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING CF); MCCLENDON STAYED IN GAME
(PLAYING RF); Grace was called out on strikes; Dunston popped to
second; Dawson struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.  Pirates 7,
Cubs 8.

PIRATES 9TH: Bonilla doubled; Bonds doubled to first [Bonilla
scored]; GONZALEZ BATTED FOR VARSHO; Gonzalez out on a sacrifice
bunt (third to second) [Bonds to third]; Slaught struck out;
Wilkerson flied to left; 1 R, 2 H, 0 E, 1 LOB.  Pirates 8, Cubs
8.

CUBS 9TH: GONZALEZ STAYED IN GAME (PLAYING CF); Dascenzo
singled; Salazar flied to center; Dascenzo was caught stealing
second (catcher to second to first); Wilkins was called out on
strikes; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.  Pirates 8, Cubs 8.

PIRATES 10TH: RENFROE REPLACED ASSENMACHER (PITCHING); McClendon
struck out; Merced walked; Bell flied to right; LAVALLIERE
BATTED FOR PATTERSON; MCELROY REPLACED SALAZAR (PITCHING);
WALKER REPLACED RENFROE (PLAYING 3B); LaValliere lined to third;
0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 1 LOB.  Pirates 8, Cubs 8.

CUBS 10TH: LANDRUM REPLACED LAVALLIERE (PITCHING); Vizcaino
grounded out (pitcher to first); Walker was called out on
strikes; Walton grounded out (shortstop to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0
E, 0 LOB.  Pirates 8, Cubs 8.

PIRATES 11TH: Bonilla singled; Bonds grounded into a double play
(first to shortstop to first) [Bonilla out at second]; Gonzalez
grounded out (shortstop to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. 
Pirates 8, Cubs 8.

CUBS 11TH: Grace homered; 1 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.  Pirates 8, Cubs
9.

Final Totals      R   H   E  LOB
 Pirates          8  15   2   10
 Cubs             9  14   1    8

GH

[Bears5122]

Allah and Jesus in the roster thread. This is one of the best threads ever.

[ejbucs]

Originally Posted by dashby

Show me the box score. It was 15 years ago but, I can't believe I would slip up that much. Oh well, Sutcliffe...Maddux...whatever. Point is the Cubs won...Grace hit a couple homers...and the Pirates went on to finish about 20 games ahead of the Cubbies and won the division.

July 4th 1991