Piazza for Green? - Page 2

Tib · 11-11-2004, 10:35 AM

God, I hope this doesn't happen. I'd much rather see LA give up someting good for Kendall. Fans like Green. I know they like Piazza too, but have they forgotten that Piazza is a selfish wimp-ass prima donna? What's more, as a catcher Piazza is an excellent first baseman.

IatricSB · 11-11-2004, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SoxWin

I don't understand the fascination with trading Green. To improve the team yes, but for the names that have been bandied about? No frigging way. I doubt you can trade him and improve much anyway, unless you eat a big chunk of that contract.

As far as talk radio goes, those people (including the ones who call in) at one time were ready to run him out on a rail. At the beginning of the season, they referred to him as a 15 million dollar singles hitter. He rebounded the 2nd half and had a decent years though not as good as some in the past, but definitely better than last year.

Joshv02 · 11-11-2004, 01:05 PM

I hear mixed messages on his defense, and he has two straight years at a sub .500 slg. Chavez Ravine will lower a batting average, provide fewer doubles, and lower (slightly) a LH hitter's HRs, but the HR depression is not as strong as the singles/doubles depression.

If you think he is a .290/.360/.490 hitter in a neutral stadium with sub average defense, you can replace that pretty easily for $17mm, plus some. You can probablly get Drew for ~$10mm/yr at greater production and better defense. Have a reliable backup at $2mm, and come out $5mm ahead.

Moving Green would be primarily moving his salary/roster spot, not getting talent back (unless you could).

PhilyMouth · 11-11-2004, 01:34 PM

If your a Met fan you love this idea. Get Piazza out of there, new manager, you need a new core of players. Which means Piazza, Floyd, Franco, Leiter... all out. These guys are not gonna listen to a new manager and if we can pick up Green.. awesome. The last power hitting RF in Shea... Darryl

Melo · 11-11-2004, 02:16 PM

Yeah, I agree. If the Mets can move Piazza they should. The sooner Omar can move this older core out the better. And why are they considering resigning Leiter? The first time Al perceives he's being slighted, he's going to run and cry to Fred Wilpon. Honestly, don't resign Leiter, deal Piazza, Floyd and see if Glavine would like to go play in Fenway. I'd even see if Reyes can take his gimpy legs down to Texas for Soriano.

Just for sh!ts and giggles:

Piazza, Leiter, Floyd and Reyes out.

Green, Guillen, Soriano and Cabrera and a starting pitcher come in.

rudel.dietrich · 11-11-2004, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

Just like Nomar?

We will see this year.

bulldog55 · 11-11-2004, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by IatricSB

At the beginning of the season, they referred to him as a 15 million dollar singles hitter.

He was second in the league in doubles in 2003 and he did hit 28 homers last year. He'll probably never the same hitter but he's not that bad.

IatricSB · 11-11-2004, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bulldog55

He was second in the league in doubles in 2003 and he did hit 28 homers last year. He'll probably never the same hitter but he's not that bad.

If you'll notice what I wrote, I said at the beginning of the season they (the radio talk show hosts) gave him the nickname of $15 million singles hitter. Beginning of the season means that he hadn't hit the 28 HRs yet in 2004. Besides, your preaching to the choir since I've always liked Green going back to his days in Toronto. But the question was asked why anyone would want him gone, and I replied with what was being said on LA radio stations. The hosts and many of the callers were wanting the 49 and 42 HRs he had hit two years in a row, not the 19 HRs he hit in 2003. As for his Slug, the past four years are .598, .558, .460, and .459 so yes, there are many in the LA area that are upset with his production. Me personally, I'm hoping the signs he showed last year may point to him returning to his former self. I believe that he was more injured (shoulder I think) than what he led everyone to believe. I also like that he played through a miserable 2003 year without whining and/or blaming it on his injury (news of the injury wasn't very well known until after the season was over).

bulldog55 · 11-11-2004, 03:40 PM

Alright, but he'd still hit 49 doubles the year before, so the point is "they" are, basically, idiots.

I doubt he'll ever be the 50-homer threat he once was, just having read about his injury and that it basically will never go away. I hope we can get one last productive year out of him and then let him walk.

SoxWin · 11-11-2004, 03:41 PM

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We will see this year.

If he's healthy he'll put up decent numbers but it doesn't change the fact he sulked all year in Boston. Too bad, he could have been part of a winner. Instead, he turned down $60 million and chose to act like a spoiled little brat.

SoxWin · 11-11-2004, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by IatricSB

As far as talk radio goes, those people (including the ones who call in) at one time were ready to run him out on a rail. At the beginning of the season, they referred to him as a 15 million dollar singles hitter. He rebounded the 2nd half and had a decent years though not as good as some in the past, but definitely better than last year.

People like that are a good reason not to listen to talk radio

His shoulder was fubar in 2003 and I'd imagine early 2004 it was still healing. I doubt he'll ever be hitting 40 homers again, but I still don't think you improve the team by trading him, his market value is pretty low it would seem.

IatricSB · 11-11-2004, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bulldog55

Alright, but he'd still hit 49 doubles the year before, so the point is "they" are, basically, idiots.

Agreed, but then that's part of the reason it's such a train wreck and hard to turn off. It's my daily reminder of how stupid fans can be.

IatricSB · 11-11-2004, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SoxWin

People like that are a good reason not to listen to talk radio

His shoulder was fubar in 2003 and I'd imagine early 2004 it was still healing. I doubt he'll ever be hitting 40 homers again, but I still don't think you improve the team by trading him, his market value is pretty low it would seem.

Agreed, I hope they don't trade him because I think he may keep getting better (compared to the last two years).

It's going to be interesting to see what the Dodgers do this off-season. There is some talk that they'll do everything they can to sign Beltre and will go after some FAs or trades to fill in the holes (Ross being the biggest hole to fill). But then I hear talk that they'll go cheap and keep cutting payroll. If they do, the new owner may be the one that is run out on a rail.

IatricSB · 11-11-2004, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SoxWin

People like that are a good reason not to listen to talk radio

It can be fun to listen to, but don't expect anything intelligent or insightful.

bulldog55 · 11-11-2004, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by IatricSB

Agreed, I hope they don't trade him because I think he may keep getting better (compared to the last two years).

It's going to be interesting to see what the Dodgers do this off-season. There is some talk that they'll do everything they can to sign Beltre and will go after some FAs or trades to fill in the holes (Ross being the biggest hole to fill). But then I hear talk that they'll go cheap and keep cutting payroll. If they do, the new owner may be the one that is run out on a rail.

Depodesta said the club will not trim its payroll.

PhilyMouth · 11-11-2004, 04:25 PM

[QUOTE=Melo] I'd even see if Reyes can take his gimpy legs down to Texas for Soriano. QUOTE]

You know, at first I hated this idea. But the second time around I dont think I would mind it that much. The Mets could use the type of hitter soriano is, and if Reyes doesnt get those hammy sured up... hes a waste of time.

Mets have till tonight to pick up Leiter's $10 mil option for next year. If I was Minaya I would help him pack his bags to the Bronx

Lawley · 11-11-2004, 04:25 PM

Me being a Giants fan i hope they do this. Green right now is wayyy better than Piazza. Piazza cant play 1B, cant play C hes to old and gets to hurt much now and really cant hit as good as Green can. DO THIS PLEASE. But id like to see a A.J for Piazza lol.

UngratefulDead · 11-11-2004, 04:36 PM

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But i'd like to see a A.J for Piazza lol.

Ehhh.. I'd prefer an A.J. for Green.. (and probably someone else considering the age and salary differences)

bulldog55 · 11-11-2004, 04:57 PM

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Ehhh.. I'd prefer an A.J. for Green.. (and probably someone else considering the age and salary differences)

Heh, I'm sure you would.

Melo · 11-11-2004, 05:01 PM

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I'd even see if Reyes can take his gimpy legs down to Texas for Soriano. QUOTE]

You know, at first I hated this idea. But the second time around I dont think I would mind it that much. The Mets could use the type of hitter soriano is, and if Reyes doesnt get those hammy sured up... hes a waste of time.

Mets have till tonight to pick up Leiter's $10 mil option for next year. If I was Minaya I would help him pack his bags to the Bronx

I felt the same way too. I would have died if they made this deal last year. Reyes is only 21 and his legs could be a huge liability. Texas is hot for him and wants to move Soriano so I would do it and sign Cabrera.

I can't stand Leiter. He's a bullpen killer and he's bad for morale. I wouldn't pick up his option and tell him to see what he's worth on the open market and just forget him.

It's a shame the farm system was stripped the way it was last year. It looks like the old nucleus could be broken up (much more than I thought possible) and it's too bad Minaya didn't have more chips to work with.

11-11-2004, 01:05 PM	#23
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	I hear mixed messages on his defense, and he has two straight years at a sub .500 slg. Chavez Ravine will lower a batting average, provide fewer doubles, and lower (slightly) a LH hitter's HRs, but the HR depression is not as strong as the singles/doubles depression. If you think he is a .290/.360/.490 hitter in a neutral stadium with sub average defense, you can replace that pretty easily for $17mm, plus some. You can probablly get Drew for ~$10mm/yr at greater production and better defense. Have a reliable backup at $2mm, and come out $5mm ahead. Moving Green would be primarily moving his salary/roster spot, not getting talent back (unless you could). __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

11-11-2004, 03:40 PM	#29
bulldog55 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California's Canada Warnings: 17 Posts: 2,479	Alright, but he'd still hit 49 doubles the year before, so the point is "they" are, basically, idiots. I doubt he'll ever be the 50-homer threat he once was, just having read about his injury and that it basically will never go away. I hope we can get one last productive year out of him and then let him walk. __________________ Commissioner, Trans-Continental Base Ball Association Owner/GM, Los Angeles Electrics (TCBA), Beaverton Rangers (OTBL), Portland Mavericks (Union League), and Los Angeles Superbas (Century League) Being smart, don't always make you popular.

11-11-2004, 10:35 AM	#21
Tib All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Paso Robles, CA Posts: 995	God, I hope this doesn't happen. I'd much rather see LA give up someting good for Kendall. Fans like Green. I know they like Piazza too, but have they forgotten that Piazza is a selfish wimp-ass prima donna? What's more, as a catcher Piazza is an excellent first baseman.

11-11-2004, 01:34 PM	#24
PhilyMouth Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Queens Posts: 106	If your a Met fan you love this idea. Get Piazza out of there, new manager, you need a new core of players. Which means Piazza, Floyd, Franco, Leiter... all out. These guys are not gonna listen to a new manager and if we can pick up Green.. awesome. The last power hitting RF in Shea... Darryl

11-11-2004, 02:16 PM	#25
Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	Yeah, I agree. If the Mets can move Piazza they should. The sooner Omar can move this older core out the better. And why are they considering resigning Leiter? The first time Al perceives he's being slighted, he's going to run and cry to Fred Wilpon. Honestly, don't resign Leiter, deal Piazza, Floyd and see if Glavine would like to go play in Fenway. I'd even see if Reyes can take his gimpy legs down to Texas for Soriano. Just for sh!ts and giggles: Piazza, Leiter, Floyd and Reyes out. Green, Guillen, Soriano and Cabrera and a starting pitcher come in.

11-11-2004, 04:25 PM	#36
PhilyMouth Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Queens Posts: 106	[QUOTE=Melo] I'd even see if Reyes can take his gimpy legs down to Texas for Soriano. QUOTE] You know, at first I hated this idea. But the second time around I dont think I would mind it that much. The Mets could use the type of hitter soriano is, and if Reyes doesnt get those hammy sured up... hes a waste of time. Mets have till tonight to pick up Leiter's $10 mil option for next year. If I was Minaya I would help him pack his bags to the Bronx

11-11-2004, 04:25 PM	#37
Lawley Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cali/Montana Posts: 381	Me being a Giants fan i hope they do this. Green right now is wayyy better than Piazza. Piazza cant play 1B, cant play C hes to old and gets to hurt much now and really cant hit as good as Green can. DO THIS PLEASE. But id like to see a A.J for Piazza lol.